In article <uhtp8c$3nhoa$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>> In article <uht2te$3me4m$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
>> Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>>> Mike Terry wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2023 02:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>>>>>> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same as  comp.lang.c  as has been mentioned elsewhere
>>>>> (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>  for example).
>>>>> Good. I
>>>>> wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
>>>>> automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have some
>>>>> employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
>>>>> several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
>>>>> working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have
>>>>> acted much
>>>>> sooner.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What will Google do assuming the spammers just move on to another
>>>> group?  They wouldn't want to make ALL their groups read only, and it
>>>> can't be hard for the spammers to identify new target groups that
>>>> haven't been locked down yet?
>>>>
>>>> Mike.
>>>
>>> What I'm hoping is that this is just a temporary measure while they work
>>> something else out. Various admins needed several days - including
>>> false starts - to develop working solutions, Google will have QA
>>> measures in place so they won't be able to move that quickly.
>>
>> Google should be tossing abusers off!
>>
>
>If the tossers toss the abusers off, the abusive spammer tossers just
>return with new email addresses (and they don't even need to be gmail)
>and start tossing their spam around again.
>I can't remember, does gmail get checked for spam on their servers? If
>it does then they are 80% of the way there.

Now if they can get 100% there!
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In article <f28f15e35c379d9f68754b80276cad66@news.novabbs.org>,
Retro Guy <retro.guy@rocksolidbbs.com> wrote:
>candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> On 11/1/23 03:40, Andrew wrote:
>>> Mike Terry wrote:
>>>> On 01/11/2023 02:09, Spiros Bousbouras wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Oct 2023 17:32:11 -0500
>>>>> Lynn McGuire <lynnmcguire5@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> Apparently comp.arch, comp.lang.c++, and comp.lang.fortran are now read
>>>>>> only at google groups to stop the spam floods.
>>>>>
>>>>> Same as  comp.lang.c  as has been mentioned elsewhere
>>>>> (<iMWdnVed06hwqtz4nZ2dnZfqn_GdnZ2d@brightview.co.uk>  for example).
>>>>> Good. I
>>>>> wonder how that works. Was some algorithm at googlegroups triggered and
>>>>> automatically took the measure (or notified a human) or do they have
>>>>> some
>>>>> employee at Google regularly take a few minutes of their time once per
>>>>> several weeks to have a short look at googlegroups to see how things are
>>>>> working ? I will guess the latter because an algorithm would have
>>>>> acted much
>>>>> sooner.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> What will Google do assuming the spammers just move on to another
>>>> group?  They wouldn't want to make ALL their groups read only, and it
>>>> can't be hard for the spammers to identify new target groups that
>>>> haven't been locked down yet?
>>>>
>>>> Mike.
>>>
>>> What I'm hoping is that this is just a temporary measure while they work
>>> something else out.  Various admins needed several days - including
>>> false starts - to develop working solutions, Google will have QA
>>> measures in place so they won't be able to move that quickly.
>
>> A man can dream. I'm betting this is a permanent "solution".
>
>I don't know if it is permanent, but it is lazy. If Ray, Adam, I and others
>can filter spam, I would think Google could do it.
>

If they are bright enough.

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In article <-DYV2fOXO6q4DgsT2w0RF1F0FHU@jntp>,
Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
>Le 01/11/2023 à 16:53, candycanearter07 a écrit :
>
>> On 11/1/23 10:01, Andrew wrote:
>
>>> If the tossers toss the abusers off, the abusive spammer tossers just
>>> return with new email addresses (and they don't even need to be gmail)
>>> and start tossing their spam around again.
>>> I can't remember, does gmail get checked for spam on their servers?  If
>>> it does then they are 80% of the way there.
>
>> There is a spam folder. It's effectiveness is something I'm not sure of.
>
>Gmail filters a lot of spam, sometimes there is a false positive but it's
>rare. Apparently they don't want to use that on Google Groups.

So much for AI a la Google!
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On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> wrote:
>>What will Google do assuming the spammers just move on to another group? They wouldn't want to make
>>ALL their groups read only, and it can't be hard for the spammers to identify new target groups that
>>haven't been locked down yet?
>
>That's basically the question.
>And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.
>--scott

p.s. has googlegroups ever been known to reinstate/reactivate posting
from a problematic group after they've locked down that group or
is it permanent? e.g., heavily googlespammed "alt.comp.freeware"
has gone over thirty (30) hours without a peep from headquarters;
perhaps they're simply reloading for the next barrage of possibly
heavier attacks than ever before (August logged 8218 googlespams),
or might it be that alt.comp.freeware has been put into lockdown?

On 11/1/23 13:59, Sn!pe wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> [...]
>>>> Yes and this indicates that they don't give a damn about googlegroups ,
>>>> they just spend as little time on it as possible. I am guessing that
>>>> the reason they haven't shut it down yet is because they don't want to
>>>> devote the time to have a meeting of management who are high enough in
>>>> the hierarchy to make the decision !
>>>>
>>>
>>> I think Gmail uses a different mechanism: every time a Gmail user marks
>>> a junkmail as spam Google is aware of it and moves the spam to the
>>> user's junk mailbox. That mechanism is not available to them for News
>>> because News users do not feed back real-time spam reports to them.
>>>
>>> That is not intended to be an apologia for Google's negligent pollution
>>> of Usenet, only stating a view.
>>>
>>
>> You could still have a "mark as spam" button and have them update the
>> filters and such. Maybe even have a local newsgroup for dealing with
>> spam (google-groups.spam or something).
>>
>
> But, but, the author of my Newsreader has retired; who will program a
> "mark as spam" button for it? I don't read News using a Google program
> so there ~is no~ 'feedback to Google' mechanism.
>
> It isn't as though Google have anything to do with Usenet anyway;
> they've simply usurped the Usenet group namespace for their ersatz
> "Google Groups" mailing list setup.
>

Maybe back in the day they did care about Usenet more?

also side note i love the word ersatz and wish ppl used it more last
time ive heard it was like in ASOUE.
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 02:14:29 +0100 (CET)
D <J@M> wrote:
> On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> >Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> wrote:
> >>What will Google do assuming the spammers just move on to another group? They wouldn't want to make
> >>ALL their groups read only, and it can't be hard for the spammers to identify new target groups that
> >>haven't been locked down yet?
> >
> >That's basically the question.
> >And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.
> >--scott
>
> p.s. has googlegroups ever been known to reinstate/reactivate posting
> from a problematic group after they've locked down that group or
> is it permanent?

Years ago they made unavailable comp.lang.c
[

From: RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
Newsgroups: comp.misc
Subject: comp.lang.c banned from Google interface - hooray
Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 22:59:14 -0000 (UTC)
Message-ID: <s0ca02$5p9$1@solani.org>

[...]

Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26126455
]

and some other groups but they reinstated them later. On the other hand ,
I have been told (<BGlHbeAV7eBlFAX9@perry.uk>) that uk.railway has
been removed completely.

On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000
kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.

Same for sci.lang.japan .

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:20:26 -0000 (UTC)
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
> On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000
> kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
> > And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.
>
> Same for sci.lang.japan .

Even worse for comp.theory .

In article <a487bbd40f4a932a3a13293ff0c2a554@dizum.com>, D <J@M> wrote:
>On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>>Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> wrote:
>>>What will Google do assuming the spammers just move on to another
>group? They wouldn't want to make
>>>ALL their groups read only, and it can't be hard for the spammers to
>identify new target groups that
>>>haven't been locked down yet?
>>
>>That's basically the question.
>>And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.
>>--scott
>
>p.s. has googlegroups ever been known to reinstate/reactivate posting
> from a problematic group after they've locked down that group or
> is it permanent? e.g., heavily googlespammed "alt.comp.freeware"
> has gone over thirty (30) hours without a peep from headquarters;
> perhaps they're simply reloading for the next barrage of possibly
> heavier attacks than ever before (August logged 8218 googlespams),
> or might it be that alt.comp.freeware has been put into lockdown?
>

GG is spamtroller haven!
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In article <uhuuvo$1pbr3$3@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 11/1/23 13:59, Sn!pe wrote:
>> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> Yes and this indicates that they don't give a damn about googlegroups ,
>>>>> they just spend as little time on it as possible. I am guessing that
>>>>> the reason they haven't shut it down yet is because they don't want to
>>>>> devote the time to have a meeting of management who are high enough in
>>>>> the hierarchy to make the decision !
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> I think Gmail uses a different mechanism: every time a Gmail user marks
>>>> a junkmail as spam Google is aware of it and moves the spam to the
>>>> user's junk mailbox. That mechanism is not available to them for News
>>>> because News users do not feed back real-time spam reports to them.
>>>>
>>>> That is not intended to be an apologia for Google's negligent pollution
>>>> of Usenet, only stating a view.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You could still have a "mark as spam" button and have them update the
>>> filters and such. Maybe even have a local newsgroup for dealing with
>>> spam (google-groups.spam or something).
>>>
>>
>> But, but, the author of my Newsreader has retired; who will program a
>> "mark as spam" button for it? I don't read News using a Google program
>> so there ~is no~ 'feedback to Google' mechanism.
>>
>> It isn't as though Google have anything to do with Usenet anyway;
>> they've simply usurped the Usenet group namespace for their ersatz
>> "Google Groups" mailing list setup.
>>
>
>Maybe back in the day they did care about Usenet more?
>
>also side note i love the word ersatz and wish ppl used it more last
>time ive heard it was like in ASOUE.

Take back Usenet!

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In article <yiKHtwW1i0xJoqJOm@bongo-ra.co>,
Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000
>kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.
>
>Same for sci.lang.japan .

Scumbaggers!
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On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 09:14:09 -0000 (UTC), Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 02:14:29 +0100 (CET) D <J@M> wrote:
>> On 1 Nov 2023 21:51:38 -0000, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
>> >Mike Terry <news.dead.person.stones@darjeeling.plus.com> wrote:
>> >>What will Google do assuming the spammers just move on to another group? They wouldn't want to make
>> >>ALL their groups read only, and it can't be hard for the spammers to identify new target groups that
>> >>haven't been locked down yet?
>> >That's basically the question.
>> >And comp.os.vms is totally inundated now.
>> >--scott
>> p.s. has googlegroups ever been known to reinstate/reactivate posting
>> from a problematic group after they've locked down that group or
>> is it permanent?
>
>Years ago they made unavailable comp.lang.c
> From: RS Wood <rsw@therandymon.com>
> Newsgroups: comp.misc
> Subject: comp.lang.c banned from Google interface - hooray
> Date: Sun, 14 Feb 2021 22:59:14 -0000 (UTC)
> Message-ID: <s0ca02$5p9$1@solani.org>
> [...]
> Comments URL: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26126455
>and some other groups but they reinstated them later. On the other hand ,
>I have been told (<BGlHbeAV7eBlFAX9@perry.uk>) that uk.railway has
>been removed completely.

(using Tor Browser 13.0.1)
https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=26126455
>Comp.lang.c Google Group has been banned (groups.google.com)
>347 points by veltas on Feb 13, 2021 | hide | past | favorite | 189 comments
>...
>zafiro17 on Feb 13, 2021 | prev | next [�]
>On behalf of Usenet users everywhere, this is excellent news, and I wouldn't
>be surprised if Usenetters begin stuffing other useful newsgroups with crap
>in order to removed from Google as well.
>Google's assimilation of Usenet content had promise at first but quickly
>turned into a dystopia and the general consensus on Usenet is that Google
>has been a disaster for Usenet.
>_kst_ on Feb 13, 2021 | parent | next [�]
>Google had the most complete archive of comp.lang.c (and the rest of Usenet).
>That archive is now inaccessible.
>Users posting to comp.lang.c through Google Groups were a problem --
>especially with the recent bug that caused GG posts to comp.lang.c++ to have
>the "++" quietly dropped.
>If Google made its archive of all Usenet newsgroups available, I'd be fine
>with them dropping the posting interface. (And some users actually managed
>to post to comp.lang.c through Google Groups without breaking things.)
[end quoted excerpt . . . lots of interesting reading on that longer page]

so the sudden halt of googlespams in any newsgroup could be only temporary
or lasting, depending on whether the google groups interface to that group
is made read-only or removed...like a virus that is quarantined or deleted