Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
what's happening?

Cheers,
Tom

Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:

> Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
> what's happening?

IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
"Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:

> IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
> "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

That seems a bizarre concept to me. What do they have to war about, so
long as the spam gets shut down?

Do you remember where he wrote about it, so I can go and take a look?

Am 21.11.2023 um 09:48:31 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:

> Do you remember where he wrote about it, so I can go and take a look?

Sadly, I don't. IIRC it was when discussing about the closure of the
alphanet NNTP server.

Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de>
> Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:
>> Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
>> what's happening?
> IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
> "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
in the fr.* hierarchy.

If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

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Le 21/11/2023 à 10:22, Tom Furie a écrit :

> Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
> what's happening?

A NoCem is a wolf to another NoCem.

Ray Banana wrote:

> Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de>

>> Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:
>>> Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
>>> what's happening?
>> IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
>> "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
> in the fr.* hierarchy.

> If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
> most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
> the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
> triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

> Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

There is no war.

Ray is correct, my (i2pn2) filters must be triggering on
the nocem messages. I'll check into that right away! Thanks for letting me
know about it!

--
Retro Guy

Retro Guy wrote:

> Ray Banana wrote:

>> Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de>

>>> Am 21.11.2023 um 09:22:17 Uhr schrieb Tom Furie:
>>>> Hey, everyone. I'm seeing i2pn2 NoCeMs cancelling ovh NoCeMs. Any idea
>>>> what's happening?
>>> IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
>>> "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.

>> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
>> in the fr.* hierarchy.

>> If i2pn2 is sending nocems for nocem messages issued by ovh, this is
>> most likely a malfunction in i2pn2's spam filter. IIRC ovh includes
>> the subject header of spam articles in its nocem messages, which in turn
>> triggers i2pn2's spam filter.

>> Maybe Retro Guy could comment on this?

> There is no war.

> Ray is correct, my (i2pn2) filters must be triggering on
> the nocem messages. I'll check into that right away! Thanks for letting me
> know about it!

I found the problem and corrected it. It looks like it's been happening for
just about exactly the last 24 hours.

I see what happened, but I'll make some changes to avoid it happening again.
Somehow, the account (ovh nocem) made it's way into my perma-banned accounts,
which is automated. I have removed it, and will keep monitoring as I fix
what caused that.

Thank again for bringing it to my attention!

--
Retro Guy

Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote:
>Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> writes:
>
>> IIRC there is a cancelling war between some NNTP operators, maybe ask
>> "Ray Banana" from eternal september, IIRC he wrote about this.
>
>That seems a bizarre concept to me. What do they have to war about, so
>long as the spam gets shut down?

I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
doing legit spam cancels on usenet?
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thus spake kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
> Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote:
> I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
> email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
> doing legit spam cancels on usenet?

Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
on Usenet.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.ovh

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Le 21/11/2023 à 19:26, Ray Banana a écrit :

> Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
> Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
> on Usenet.

And their newsmaster made rogue cancel and pushed Marc Shaefer to stop
Alphanet. Oh, and one of his user is polluting the fr.* hierarchy with
absolutely no reaction from the newsmaster. So I think people can
blacklist him :)

Eric M a utilisé son clavier pour écrire :
> Le 21/11/2023 à 19:26, Ray Banana a écrit :
>
>> Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
>> Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable
>> NoCeMs
>> on Usenet.
>
> And their newsmaster made rogue cancel and pushed Marc Shaefer to stop
> Alphanet.

Eric M. the most famous troll of fr hierarchy was speaking.
you're like a cancer

Le 21/11/2023 à 22:37, llp a écrit :

> you're like a cancer

Does someone reliable to manage NoCems speaks like that ? I'm not sure.

In article <8mzfz7q7xg.fsf@raybanana.net>,
Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>Thus spake kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey)
>
>> Tom Furie <tom@furie.org.uk> wrote:
>> I don't know about Usenet spam, but I thought ovh was a major source of
>> email spam what with wikitimbres and voilesnews and so forth. Are they
>> doing legit spam cancels on usenet?
>
>Don't confuse usenet.ovh with the ISP and Hoster OVH. Tey're a private
>Usenet server hosted at OVH just using their TLD. And they issue valuable NoCeMs
>on Usenet.

Aha! So they are not ovh at all. This is good.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Thus spake Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com>
> Le 21/11/2023 à 22:37, llp a écrit :
>> you're like a cancer
> Does someone reliable to manage NoCems speaks like that ? I'm not sure.

Thank you both for illustrating my point.

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Hi,
Ray Banana a tapoté le 21/11/2023 11:49:
> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
> in the fr.* hierarchy.

Quoting spam in nocem notice made them marked by spamassassin ...

--
Stéphane

yamo' wrote:

> Hi,
> Ray Banana a tapoté le 21/11/2023 11:49:
>> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
>> in the fr.* hierarchy.

> Quoting spam in nocem notice made them marked by spamassassin ...

I agree, it makes perfect sense.

I did already have nocems on a whitelist, but it wasn't working properly.
I have fixed that and it seems ok now :)

--
Retro Guy

Hi,
Ray Banana a écrit :

> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
> in the fr.* hierarchy.

I dont understand which quarrel you are speaking?

Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server
(nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

--
Stéphane
Sorry for my bad English

Thus spake yamo' <news@pasdenom.info>
> Ray Banana a écrit :
>> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
>> in the fr.* hierarchy.
> I dont understand which quarrel you are speaking?
> Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server
> (nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

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Le 23/11/2023 à 12:22, Ray Banana a écrit :

> A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
> And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
> control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.

I'm not a real moderator, I can't control many things.
> Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
> flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
> people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.

Well, I would agree with you in the meantime but I don't like far right
activists like LLP so it annoys me a bit when people call them "reliable",
but I don't want to start a flame war here so I won't go further, mail me
if you want to speak, my adress is valid as is :)

Eric M a formulé la demande :
> Le 23/11/2023 à 12:22, Ray Banana a écrit :
>
>> A quick glance at f.u.a.d. should suffice to see what I'm talking about.
>> And Eric is just the moderator of the nemoweb frontend and can not
>> control the operation of the backend server (i.e. pasdenom), I know.
>
> I'm not a real moderator, I can't control many things.
>
>> Anyway, this discussion is not helpful in the struggle to stop the spam
>> flood from Google Groups and should remain in f.u.a.d, where
>> people seem to be more willing to dedicate their time to such bickering.
>
> Well, I would agree with you in the meantime but I don't like far right
> activists like LLP

Do you intend to continue the slanderous comments I've been subjected
to for three years on the fr hierarchy ?
Try doing something useful with your ten fingers: it'll be a nice
change

> so it annoys me a bit when people call them "reliable",

I know, you have trouble with the truth.

> but I don't want to start a flame war here so I won't go further,
> mail me if you want to speak, my adress is valid as is :)

Do you really think you'll be better at distilling your lies in
private?

yamo' avait soumis l'idée :
> Hi,
> Ray Banana a écrit :
>
>> I was referring to a quarrel between pasdenom and usenet.ovh, primarily
>> in the fr.* hierarchy.

There's no quarrel between us.

> Posts whith Path ending with !devjntp are posted by a non-NNTP server
> (nemoweb.net) that I cannot control, I'm just the last NNTP feed...

You are the *only* feed of newmoweb.net/
So Julien Arlandis, the real newsmasters of nemoweb, will do what you
want if you ask him.
Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

Sincerely.

llp a écrit :

> Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

I asked him many times...

--
Stéphane

Le 23/11/2023 à 21:03, yamo' a écrit :

>> Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

> I asked him many times...

I asked him too, but he is still joinable somehow.

Le 23/11/2023 à 21:03, yamo' a écrit :

>> Perhaps you could ask him to set a valid abuse address for his server ?

> I asked him many times...

I asked him too, but he is still reachable somehow.