Win XP SP3 (x32) Firefox ESR - Just started getting a black screen on
loading to Startpage.com search engine, just wondering if anyone else
seeing the same. Chrome and PaleMoon still load the page but not on
Firefox ESR 52.9 . C+

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:14:54 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:

>Win XP SP3 (x32) Firefox ESR - Just started getting a black screen on
>loading to Startpage.com search engine, just wondering if anyone else
>seeing the same. Chrome and PaleMoon still load the page but not on
>Firefox ESR 52.9 . C+

I'm using XP with FFx 52.9 Non ESR.

I'm getting a blank page for Startpage. It loads for a second or so
and then disappears.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 11:58:51 -0500, Hal@invalid.com wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:14:54 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
>
>>Win XP SP3 (x32) Firefox ESR - Just started getting a black screen on
>>loading to Startpage.com search engine, just wondering if anyone else
>>seeing the same. Chrome and PaleMoon still load the page but not on
>>Firefox ESR 52.9 . C+
>
>I'm using XP with FFx 52.9 Non ESR.
>
>I'm getting a blank page for Startpage. It loads for a second or so
>and then disappears.

It does work with MyPal 29.1.1. They might have discontinued it for
older FFx versions, as other sites have done.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:01:51 -0500, Hal@invalid.com wrote:

>On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 11:58:51 -0500, Hal@invalid.com wrote:
>
>>On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:14:54 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Win XP SP3 (x32) Firefox ESR - Just started getting a black screen on
>>>loading to Startpage.com search engine, just wondering if anyone else
>>>seeing the same. Chrome and PaleMoon still load the page but not on
>>>Firefox ESR 52.9 . C+
>>
>>I'm using XP with FFx 52.9 Non ESR.
>>
>>I'm getting a blank page for Startpage. It loads for a second or so
>>and then disappears.
>
>It does work with MyPal 29.1.1. They might have discontinued it for
>older FFx versions, as other sites have done.

Tried with FFx again. Same deal. Comes on for a second and then gone.

On 10/14/2022 1:04 PM, Hal@invalid.com wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 12:01:51 -0500, Hal@invalid.com wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 11:58:51 -0500, Hal@invalid.com wrote:
>>
>>> On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 17:14:54 +0100, Charlie+ <charlie@xxx.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Win XP SP3 (x32) Firefox ESR - Just started getting a black screen on
>>>> loading to Startpage.com search engine, just wondering if anyone else
>>>> seeing the same. Chrome and PaleMoon still load the page but not on
>>>> Firefox ESR 52.9 . C+
>>>
>>> I'm using XP with FFx 52.9 Non ESR.
>>>
>>> I'm getting a blank page for Startpage. It loads for a second or so
>>> and then disappears.
>>
>> It does work with MyPal 29.1.1. They might have discontinued it for
>> older FFx versions, as other sites have done.
>
> Tried with FFx again. Same deal. Comes on for a second and then gone.
>

Does Startpage use Javascript ?

The troublemaker likely comes from Google.

I had a failure today, where Seamonkey went into a loop
immediately on entering an enthusiast website for computing,
and the memory usage shot right up to 2.5GB. I killed it with
Task Manager. I wouldn't even waste my time trying to
do "Save As" "Webpage complete" in order to figure out what
modules are in there. There will always be one from Google.

Paul

Charlie+,

Its loading using FF 52.5. Than again, I've got JS disabled and
grease-monkey mucking around with hidden & floating elements.

Have you already tried

toolbar -> view -> Page style -> No style

(IOW, simply disabeling CSS) ?

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 20:01:09 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
wrote:

>Charlie+,
>
>Its loading using FF 52.5. Than again, I've got JS disabled and
>grease-monkey mucking around with hidden & floating elements.
>
>Have you already tried
>
>toolbar -> view -> Page style -> No style
>
>(IOW, simply disabeling CSS) ?
>
>Regards,
>Rudy Wieser
>

Didn't work for my 52.9.0 32 bit

It was working just the other day for me. I've made no changes to FFx
in all this time. Something on their end has to have changed.

On Fri, 14 Oct 2022 20:01:09 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
wrote as underneath :

>Charlie+,
>
>Its loading using FF 52.5. Than again, I've got JS disabled and
>grease-monkey mucking around with hidden & floating elements.
>
>Have you already tried
>
>toolbar -> view -> Page style -> No style
>
>(IOW, simply disabeling CSS) ?
>
>Regards,
>Rudy Wieser
>
Thanks all, not just me then, good to know!
I tried disable scrips previously and gave it up as that killed so many
pages visited with FF.
I tried change style Rudi, got a white page instead - nothing working.
I tried SP support and got blown off with the 'update your stuff' stuff
having already told them that was not an option on this particular gear!
Other private searches I tried to load:
NO https://searx.me/
YES https://duckduckgo.com/
YES https://www.mojeek.com/
YES https://swisscows.com/
YES https://metager.org/
YES https://peekier.com/
So I'll choose one of the yes's to stick with and dump Startpage on x32.
C+

Hal,

> It was working just the other day for me. I've made no changes to
> FFx in all this time. Something on their end has to have changed.

I wasn't trying to say you must have changed something, I was just
suggesting doing a check to see of some kind of "CSS overlay" might be the
culprit.

And by the way: That "NO style" setting only works for the page you apply it
on (and page-links in it), and will be gone the moment you close that page.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

Charlie+,

> I tried change style Rudi, got a white page instead - nothing working.

Hmmm...

One other thing you could try is :

rightclick on the page (context menu) -> View Page Source

, with the actual search forms* being just a handfull of lines, the first
one somewhere just below the middle.

* when looking at the page source search for

action="/sp/search"

If you can find those than its just a displaying problem (as me seeing the
page seems to indicate). If not ...

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

P.s.
I'm using DDG myself, but must say that its results are not all that great -
often the same search on Brave or Google turns up more hits.

On Sat, 15 Oct 2022 09:59:03 +0200, "R.Wieser" <address@not.available>
wrote as underneath :

>Charlie+,
>
>> I tried change style Rudi, got a white page instead - nothing working.
>
>Hmmm...
>
>One other thing you could try is :
>
>rightclick on the page (context menu) -> View Page Source
>
>, with the actual search forms* being just a handfull of lines, the first
>one somewhere just below the middle.
>
>* when looking at the page source search for
>
>action="/sp/search"
>
>If you can find those than its just a displaying problem (as me seeing the
>page seems to indicate). If not ...
>
>Regards,
>Rudy Wieser
>
>P.s.
>I'm using DDG myself, but must say that its results are not all that great -
>often the same search on Brave or Google turns up more hits.
>
R. Thanks. Had a look, this looks somewhere to start but I dont know
anything about it and am not going to find out. lifes too short! C+

Line 485/~600
</style>

<!-- prevent theme flash -->
<style>
html.dark {
background: #171B25;
}
html.light {
background: #fff;
opacity: 0;
transition: opacity 0.2s ease;
}

Charlie+,

> R. Thanks. Had a look, this looks somewhere to start but I dont
> know anything about it and am not going to find out. lifes too
> short! C+

going thru all that CSS in there ? Indeed. Possible, but will take a lot
of work.

The other possibility is to extract the "search form" part and put it into a
local HTML page. Assuming that the results page(s) do not have a problem
you could /start/ your search that way.

Personally I've got a local "home page" into which I have put the "search
form" parts of several search engines*. Makes it easy to pick one.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser