Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
filters could not.
https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/gmails-ai-powered-spam-detection-is-its-biggest-security-upgrade-in-years/

I wonder what the chances are of the company applying this awe-inspiring
and wonderful tool to Google Groups. It would probably be sufficient if
they just applied to fresh input rather than posts inserted via other
NNTP servers.
That would really simplify the work of NNTP admins, although "single
point of failure" springs to mind.

On Mon, 4 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>filters could not.
>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/gmails-ai-powered-spam-detection-is-its-biggest-security-upgrade-in-years/
>I wonder what the chances are of the company applying this awe-inspiring
>and wonderful tool to Google Groups. It would probably be sufficient if
>they just applied to fresh input rather than posts inserted via other
>NNTP servers.
>That would really simplify the work of NNTP admins, although "single
>point of failure" springs to mind.

the easiest solution would be for google to simply pull the plug on
their "google2news" gateway . . . a way to atone in the xmas spirit

Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection.
<snip>

> I wonder what the chances are of the company applying this awe-inspiring
> and wonderful tool to Google Groups.
<snip>

Zero to none, IMO I think google is trying to kill USENET
on purpose. Why, no telemetry and they cannot use it to
determine who to send adds to.

IIRC, there seems to be an up-tick in new USENET users.
Maybe by sending all that spam these new users will leave
because they do not know how to set a filter.

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John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> wrote:

> Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
> > Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection.
> <snip>
>
> > I wonder what the chances are of the company applying this awe-inspiring
> > and wonderful tool to Google Groups.
> <snip>
>
> Zero to none, IMO I think google is trying to kill USENET
> on purpose. Why, no telemetry and they cannot use it to
> determine who to send adds to.
>
> IIRC, there seems to be an up-tick in new USENET users.
> Maybe by sending all that spam these new users will leave
> because they do not know how to set a filter.
>

I suspect that is the case. I don't suppose that the TLAs would be
heartbroken if uncensorable Usenet died either.

It occurs to me that depeering Google Groups or (ideally) Google
closing their GG to/from Usenet gateway might be a two-edged sword.
If GG does become divorced from Usenet, Google can simply direct GG
posters to their own ersatz Google Groups and just pretend that Usenet
doesn't exist.

My personal opinion: Divorce Google Groups now; depeer them,
killfile them, whatever it takes.

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In article <ukla62$utlu$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>filters could not.
>https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2023/12/gmails-ai-powered-spam-detection-is-its-biggest-security-upgrade-in-years/
>
>I wonder what the chances are of the company applying this awe-inspiring
>and wonderful tool to Google Groups. It would probably be sufficient if
>they just applied to fresh input rather than posts inserted via other
>NNTP servers.
>That would really simplify the work of NNTP admins, although "single
>point of failure" springs to mind.

Laughable!
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In article <1ql8nbn.1aud9ot8h0ai7N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>John McCue <jmccue@magnetar.jmcunx.com> wrote:
>
>> Andrew <Doug@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>> > Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection.
>> <snip>
>>
>> > I wonder what the chances are of the company applying this awe-inspiring
>> > and wonderful tool to Google Groups.
>> <snip>
>>
>> Zero to none, IMO I think google is trying to kill USENET
>> on purpose. Why, no telemetry and they cannot use it to
>> determine who to send adds to.
>>
>> IIRC, there seems to be an up-tick in new USENET users.
>> Maybe by sending all that spam these new users will leave
>> because they do not know how to set a filter.
>>
>
>I suspect that is the case. I don't suppose that the TLAs would be
>heartbroken if uncensorable Usenet died either.
>
>It occurs to me that depeering Google Groups or (ideally) Google
>closing their GG to/from Usenet gateway might be a two-edged sword.
>If GG does become divorced from Usenet, Google can simply direct GG
>posters to their own ersatz Google Groups and just pretend that Usenet
>doesn't exist.
>
>My personal opinion: Divorce Google Groups now; depeer them,
>killfile them, whatever it takes.
>
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> My pet rock Gordon just said "Klaatu barada nikto."
>
> Google Groups articles not seen here unless poster is whitelisted.

Depeer Google Groups now and be done with them!
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On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:

> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
> filters could not.

Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.

pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D

On 5 Dec 2023 13:23:39 +1000, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>> filters could not.
>
>Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.
>pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
>spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
>those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D

big plus ones... and this is way off-topic, but just for the record...

Roger Harry Daltrey was born to Harry John & Grace Irene Stone-Daltrey
at the four-storey Hammersmith Hospital(0W14:09,51N30:59)72 Du Cane Rd,
London "just before 2 AM" Wednesday 1 March 1944 1:55 AM DST(AA/HR/mem;
transit JD 2431150.5381); 15 Percy Rd(0W14:23,51N30:07).

John Alec Entwistle was born to Herbert & Queenie Maud Lee-Entwistle at the
four-storey Hammersmith Hospital(0W14:09,51N30:59)72 Du Cane Rd London, Mon-
day 9 October 1944 6 PM DST(AA/HR/mem); 81a Southfield Rd(0W15:37,51N30:09).

Peter Dennis Blandford Townshend was born to Clifford Blandford & Betty V. Dennis-
Townshend at the three-storey Chiswick Maternity Hospital(0W14:45,51N29:20)Nether-
avon Rd, Chiswick, London, England, Saturday 19 May 1945 3 PM BDST h2e(AA/HR/mem).

Keith John Moon was born to Alfred Charles & Kathleen Winifred Hopley-Moon
at Central Middlesex Hospital(0W16:03,51N31:52)Acton Ln, Park Royal London
England on Friday 23 August 1946(AA/BR).

a lot of great music, tommy album was my fav

In article <656e97bb$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>
>> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>> filters could not.
>
>
>Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.
>
>pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
>spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
>those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D

Many feel this way about GG.

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The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:

> In article <656e97bb$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
> >On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:
> >
> >> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
> >> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
> >> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
> >> filters could not.
> >
> >
> >Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.
> >
> >pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
> >spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
> >those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D
>
> Many feel this way about GG.

+1
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On 12/5/23 05:14, Sn!pe wrote:
> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> In article <656e97bb$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>>>> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>>>> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>>>> filters could not.
>>>
>>>
>>> Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.
>>>
>>> pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
>>> spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
>>> those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D
>>
>> Many feel this way about GG.
>
> +1

+2
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Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:

> or (ideally) Google closing their GG to/from Usenet gateway

They will do it. Sooner or later, but eventually they will kill this
gateway.

In article <1ql9j5n.qsttum1avt749N%snipeco.2@gmail.com>,
Sn!pe <snipeco.1@gmail.com> wrote:
>The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>
>> In article <656e97bb$1@news.ausics.net>, noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>> >On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>> >
>> >> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>> >> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>> >> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>> >> filters could not.
>> >
>> >
>> >Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.
>> >
>> >pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
>> >spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
>> >those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D
>>
>> Many feel this way about GG.
>
>+1
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> My pet rock Gordon just said "Don't Be Evil!"
>
> Google Groups articles not seen here unless poster is whitelisted.

Inn is a powerful tool!
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In article <ukn950$5afd$2@dont-email.me>,
candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>On 12/5/23 05:14, Sn!pe wrote:
>> The Doctor <doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca> wrote:
>>
>>> In article <656e97bb$1@news.ausics.net>, noel
><deletethis@invalid.lan> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 04 Dec 2023 20:44:02 +0100, Andrew wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Gmail is moving to (or has moved to) AI-powered spam detection. This is
>>>>> being touted as a big deal but what it seems to be about is better
>>>>> interpretation of weird garbage which humans can read but their previous
>>>>> filters could not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Hows that "Who" song go, meet the new boss , *same as the old* boss.
>>>>
>>>> pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
>>>> spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
>>>> those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D
>>>
>>> Many feel this way about GG.
>>
>> +1
>
>+2

+3

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In article <ukngj6$5st$2$arnold@news.chmurka.net>,
Adam W. <gof-cut-this-news@cut-this-chmurka.net.invalid> wrote:
>Sn!pe <snipeco.2@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> or (ideally) Google closing their GG to/from Usenet gateway
>
>They will do it. Sooner or later, but eventually they will kill this
>gateway.

If they know how!
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noel <deletethis@invalid.lan> writes:

[...]

> pretty happy over here all the same since we reject all google posts, my
> spam complaints fo0r over a month have totalled *ZERO* since ridding
> those fools from stealing my resources... happy days :D

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That's nice. Great to have a good example.