D wrote:

> the only prediction thus far is that google shall decommission their usenet
> gateway as they announced last 14 december to be effective 15 february 2024
> then moved the goal posts to the persisting expectation of 22 february 2024,
> so they can easily modify their public announcement without previous notice
> and keep doing that until the cows come home . . . if and when their usenet
> gateway is actually disconnected, then dozens of spam-friendly news servers
> could experience a measurable increase in spam, troll-farm infestation, etc.
> certainly some news server administrators may be motivated to tighten their
> restrictions on cross-posting, user registration requirements, and throttle
> server access to limit use and potential abuse; simply limiting cross-posts
> to five (5) and depeering any servers that allow more would be a good start,
> better if crossposting were eliminated altogether, but it will get stricter

William Unruh wrote:

> Google is the apparently the site of most of the
> spam/troll-farm infectation,.... precisely because it is so easy to do
> so. Make it harder an many will give up.

I respectfully both agree and disagree with the way it's stated above.

Just as most people may disagree if I postulated that gravity is due to
some kind of almost unfathomable confluence of 4-dimensional (or maybe 11?)
spacetime rushing inward like a river toward mass:energy at 11km/second at
the same time that the mass:energy electrostatic forces push outward
(equivalence principle) at what we measure at 9.8 meters/sec/sec), that's
how I think of gravity.

Two opposing forces.
Meeting at the twain.

Likewise with that huge increase in spam emanating from Google servers.
Except there isn't any opposing force by Google.

Spammers will always spam.
But Google should STOP them from spamming.

That's the confluence of the two opposing forces.
Meeting at the twain in the middle.

Google can implement spam filters.
They can.
And they do.

At least for GMail they do.
Right?

The spammers spam analogy is electrostatic forces accelerating us outward.
The Google onrushing river of spacetime forces push back into the ground.

Electrostatic forces can oppose onrushing spacetime.
So why can't Google implement spam filters for their Usenet users?

Indira <indira@ghandi.net> wrote:
>
>Electrostatic forces can oppose onrushing spacetime.
>So why can't Google implement spam filters for their Usenet users?

Because gmail is run by a huge army of people who spend a lot of time tuning
spam filters. And Google Groups does not seem to be run by anyone. It is
just left there, turning over unattended. I have talked to a lot of people
at Google and none of them have ever met anyone who worked for Google Groups.
Maybe there are a couple managers and a part-time admin but there is certainly
nowhere near the staffing needed.

And I think Google made the decision to disconnect from Usenet because it was
easier than fixing their problems, which had got bad enough that even they
could no longer ignore them.
--scott
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On 21.02.2024 um 12:58 Uhr Scott Dorsey wrote:

> Because gmail is run by a huge army of people who spend a lot of time
> tuning spam filters.

Not for outgoing spam.

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Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>On 21.02.2024 um 12:58 Uhr Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> Because gmail is run by a huge army of people who spend a lot of time
>> tuning spam filters.
>
>Not for outgoing spam.

Even for outgoing spam.

While it is true that gmail is the largest provider of email spam in the
world, they do actually put a lot of effort into trying to keep it down
and if they didn't it would be far worse and we would all be back to 2005
or so.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

In article <ur4bh2$24mie$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
Indira <indira@ghandi.net> wrote:
>D wrote:
>
>> the only prediction thus far is that google shall decommission their
>usenet
>> gateway as they announced last 14 december to be effective 15 february 2024
>> then moved the goal posts to the persisting expectation of 22 february 2024,
>> so they can easily modify their public announcement without previous notice
>> and keep doing that until the cows come home . . . if and when their
>usenet
>> gateway is actually disconnected, then dozens of spam-friendly news servers
>> could experience a measurable increase in spam, troll-farm infestation, etc.
>> certainly some news server administrators may be motivated to tighten their
>> restrictions on cross-posting, user registration requirements, and throttle
>> server access to limit use and potential abuse; simply limiting cross-posts
>> to five (5) and depeering any servers that allow more would be a good
>start,
>> better if crossposting were eliminated altogether, but it will get stricter
>
>William Unruh wrote:
>
>> Google is the apparently the site of most of the
>> spam/troll-farm infectation,.... precisely because it is so easy to do
>> so. Make it harder an many will give up.
>
>I respectfully both agree and disagree with the way it's stated above.
>
>Just as most people may disagree if I postulated that gravity is due to
>some kind of almost unfathomable confluence of 4-dimensional (or maybe 11?)
>spacetime rushing inward like a river toward mass:energy at 11km/second at
>the same time that the mass:energy electrostatic forces push outward
>(equivalence principle) at what we measure at 9.8 meters/sec/sec), that's
>how I think of gravity.
>
>Two opposing forces.
>Meeting at the twain.
>
>Likewise with that huge increase in spam emanating from Google servers.
>Except there isn't any opposing force by Google.
>
>Spammers will always spam.
>But Google should STOP them from spamming.
>
>That's the confluence of the two opposing forces.
>Meeting at the twain in the middle.
>
>Google can implement spam filters.
>They can.
>And they do.
>
>At least for GMail they do.
>Right?
>

Gmail is full of spammers!

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

>The spammers spam analogy is electrostatic forces accelerating us outward.
>The Google onrushing river of spacetime forces push back into the ground.
>
>Electrostatic forces can oppose onrushing spacetime.
>So why can't Google implement spam filters for their Usenet users?

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In article <ur4s17$svl$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>Indira <indira@ghandi.net> wrote:
>>
>>Electrostatic forces can oppose onrushing spacetime.
>>So why can't Google implement spam filters for their Usenet users?
>
>Because gmail is run by a huge army of people who spend a lot of time tuning
>spam filters. And Google Groups does not seem to be run by anyone. It is
>just left there, turning over unattended. I have talked to a lot of people
>at Google and none of them have ever met anyone who worked for Google Groups.
>Maybe there are a couple managers and a part-time admin but there is certainly
>nowhere near the staffing needed.
>
>And I think Google made the decision to disconnect from Usenet because it was
>easier than fixing their problems, which had got bad enough that even they
>could no longer ignore them.
>--scott

A large spammer dorway entry!

>--
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In article <ur4urt$35v93$1@dont-email.me>,
Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>On 21.02.2024 um 12:58 Uhr Scott Dorsey wrote:
>
>> Because gmail is run by a huge army of people who spend a lot of time
>> tuning spam filters.
>
>Not for outgoing spam.
>
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
>
>--
>kind regards
>Marco
>
>Send spam to muell456@cartoonies.org
>

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In article <ur4v76$ecm$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>Marco Moock <mm+usenet-es@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>>On 21.02.2024 um 12:58 Uhr Scott Dorsey wrote:
>>
>>> Because gmail is run by a huge army of people who spend a lot of time
>>> tuning spam filters.
>>
>>Not for outgoing spam.
>
>Even for outgoing spam.
>
>While it is true that gmail is the largest provider of email spam in the
>world, they do actually put a lot of effort into trying to keep it down
>and if they didn't it would be far worse and we would all be back to 2005
>or so.
>--scott

https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam

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Hi,
Indira a tapoté :
>
> Spammers will always spam.
> But Google should STOP them from spamming.

Maybe they are not competent or simply don't bother of that.

--
Stéphane
Sorry for my bad English.