On 18/02/2024 18:08, James Kuyper wrote:
> On 2/18/24 11:24, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>> Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> writes:
>>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
> ...
>>>> From: Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net>
>>>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>>>> Subject: Re: printf with trailing dots ?
>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:35:23 +0000
>>>> Message-ID: <87v89sl0uc.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>
>>>> References: <slrnuls0ir.nep.hymie@nasalinux.net>
>>>>
>>>> It would have been strange if the group had gone totally downhill in
>>>> 3 months.
>>>
>>> It has. It's mostly flooded with sex and (illegal) drug ads.
>>
>> That will diminish in 6 days.
>
> Why? They already stopped all posting of new messages through GG. All
> that's going to happen on 2024-02-22 is that they're going to stop
> displaying any new messages, regardless of where they are posted. If you
> use GG, all new posts will stop completely, regardless of sender or
> newsgroup. If you don't use GG, if your newsserver has good filtering,
> you won't see those messages, and if your newsserver has poor filteing,
> you should continue seeing those messages.

They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.

Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
- simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.

Le 18/02/2024 à 19:36, Richard Harnden a écrit :

> They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
> They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.
>
> Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
> - simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
> then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.

Spammers will have to pay this servers to post spam which will be almost
useless regarding to usenet population, and even the configuration will be
harder to understand for them, I don't think they still have bots designed
for usenet. So I think there will be very few of them, even legit users
who have been told for weeks to use something else than Google struggle
with it, so we can hope that it will be almost zero.

In article <uqtino$1d01f$1@dont-email.me>,
Richard Harnden <nospam.harnden@invalid.com> wrote:
>On 18/02/2024 18:08, James Kuyper wrote:
>> On 2/18/24 11:24, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> writes:
>>>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>> ...
>>>>> From: Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net>
>>>>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>>>>> Subject: Re: printf with trailing dots ?
>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:35:23 +0000
>>>>> Message-ID: <87v89sl0uc.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>
>>>>> References: <slrnuls0ir.nep.hymie@nasalinux.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would have been strange if the group had gone totally downhill in
>>>>> 3 months.
>>>>
>>>> It has. It's mostly flooded with sex and (illegal) drug ads.
>>>
>>> That will diminish in 6 days.
>>
>> Why? They already stopped all posting of new messages through GG. All
>> that's going to happen on 2024-02-22 is that they're going to stop
>> displaying any new messages, regardless of where they are posted. If you
>> use GG, all new posts will stop completely, regardless of sender or
>> newsgroup. If you don't use GG, if your newsserver has good filtering,
>> you won't see those messages, and if your newsserver has poor filteing,
>> you should continue seeing those messages.
>
>They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
>They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.
>
>Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
>- simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
>then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.
>
>

Well the good news is no more Google Groups spam!
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In article <oIjzxAtgBbn69HaNe872eF2VJSE@jntp>,
Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
>Le 18/02/2024 à 19:36, Richard Harnden a écrit :
>
>> They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
>> They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.
>>
>> Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
>> - simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
>> then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.
>
>Spammers will have to pay this servers to post spam which will be almost
>useless regarding to usenet population, and even the configuration will be
>harder to understand for them, I don't think they still have bots designed
>for usenet. So I think there will be very few of them, even legit users
>who have been told for weeks to use something else than Google struggle
>with it, so we can hope that it will be almost zero.

almost 0 being the key.
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On 18.02.2024 um 19:41 Uhr Eric M wrote:

> Spammers will have to pay this servers to post spam which will be
> almost useless regarding to usenet population, and even the
> configuration will be harder to understand for them, I don't think
> they still have bots designed for usenet. So I think there will be
> very few of them, even legit users who have been told for weeks to
> use something else than Google struggle with it, so we can hope that
> it will be almost zero.

One of the spammers use Abavia and they post generated content
(looks like a KI discussion) there.
Some also use vipernews/uzoreto for normal spam.

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On Sun, 18 Feb 24 19:41:04 +0000
Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
> Le 18/02/2024 19:36, Richard Harnden a écrit :
>
> > They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
> > They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.
> >
> > Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
> > - simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
> > then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.
>
> Spammers will have to pay this servers to post spam which will be almost
> useless regarding to usenet population, and even the configuration will be
> harder to understand for them, I don't think they still have bots designed
> for usenet. So I think there will be very few of them, even legit users
> who have been told for weeks to use something else than Google struggle
> with it, so we can hope that it will be almost zero.

In just 1 group (comp.lang.lisp) in the last 2 days I see the following spam
posts not from googlegroups :

<ee4tsi5s9iklcr6eu3abk9bi0lu174tc8r@4ax.com>
<7a4tsiphslvub18dt3v65c4pvkdtcniacu@4ax.com>
<4a4tsip65f70kl1mus3otm9luennmgnuo9@4ax.com>
<484tsipjekm4h63kbmqj7up78n2qp6f7jh@4ax.com>
<2s82til5kq5m8gviksvjf0pmf9fjumagj4@4ax.com>
<vr82tiht9789o29fnl0ebqrbfvc36v0bnf@4ax.com>
<tr82tihjt5ntc3jv1ej3vmvvua2pt0hkvv@4ax.com>
<qr82ti5ph3a0vfcbfccg8vodef4pe3iu27@4ax.com>
<sr82tihvn31r9d8s24upo71q8lmhe3dmhj@4ax.com>
<er82tid0f5kmu45rdjlotcvdj6779vmvlb@4ax.com>

There are many more from googlegroups.

Le 18/02/2024 à 22:12, Marco Moock a écrit :

> On 18.02.2024 um 19:41 Uhr Eric M wrote:

>> Spammers will have to pay this servers to post spam which will be
>> almost useless regarding to usenet population, and even the
>> configuration will be harder to understand for them, I don't think
>> they still have bots designed for usenet. So I think there will be
>> very few of them, even legit users who have been told for weeks to
>> use something else than Google struggle with it, so we can hope that
>> it will be almost zero.

> One of the spammers use Abavia and they post generated content
> (looks like a KI discussion) there.
> Some also use vipernews/uzoreto for normal spam.

I don't say there will be no spammers anymore, but there will surely be
less spammers.

Hi,
Spiros Bousbouras a tapoté :
>
> In just 1 group (comp.lang.lisp) in the last 2 days I see the following spam
> posts not from googlegroups :
>
> <ee4tsi5s9iklcr6eu3abk9bi0lu174tc8r@4ax.com>

Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel,microsoft.public.mac.office.word
,microsoft.public.word.vba.beginners,microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
,soc.culture.punjab,microsoft.public.platformsdk.security,comp.lang.lisp
,microsoft.public.windows.server.networking,comp.lang.perl.misc
,dbase.programming

That why I'm filtering the Path : news.xlned.com

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> Newsgroups: microsoft.public.excel,microsoft.public.mac.office.word
> ,microsoft.public.word.vba.beginners,microsoft.public.word.docmanagement
> ,soc.culture.punjab,microsoft.public.platformsdk.security,comp.lang.lisp
> ,microsoft.public.windows.server.networking,comp.lang.perl.misc
> ,dbase.programming

Crosspost to 10 groups.

That's why this spam doesn't even make it to the spam filter, i.e. the
article is rejected long before nocems would be generated.

> That why I'm filtering the Path : news.xlned.com

news.xlned.com is also listed as a source of interest on E-S.
Even more interesting is abavia.com, who have been sending up to
3000 spam articles per day for more than 3 months. So far they have only
focussed on the German hierarchy, but I'm sure this can be changed any
time and their spam is much more sophisticated than the Google spam we
have seen so far.

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Ray Banana wrote:
>
> news.xlned.com is also listed as a source of interest on E-S.
> Even more interesting is abavia.com, who have been sending up to
> 3000 spam articles per day for more than 3 months. So far they
> have only focussed on the German hierarchy, but I'm sure this can
> be changed any time and their spam is much more sophisticated than
> the Google spam we have seen so far.

That explains it!!! I was using an Abavia re-seller from the
Netherlands and anything I replied to with a lot of cross-posts
'disappeared' (as in, caught in a spam filter somewhere). Some of my
own posts never made it through if they were cross-posted and/or
contained URL links.

I didn't realise Abavia were irresponsible.

Thus spake "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
> Ray Banana wrote:
>> news.xlned.com is also listed as a source of interest on E-S.
>> Even more interesting is abavia.com, who have been sending up to
>> 3000 spam articles per day for more than 3 months. So far they
>> have only focussed on the German hierarchy, but I'm sure this can
>> be changed any time and their spam is much more sophisticated than
>> the Google spam we have seen so far.
> That explains it!!! I was using an Abavia re-seller from the
> Netherlands and anything I replied to with a lot of cross-posts
> 'disappeared' (as in, caught in a spam filter somewhere). Some of my
> own posts never made it through if they were cross-posted and/or
> contained URL links.

If these were false positives, I would appreciate a couple of M-IDs to
double-check.

> I didn't realise Abavia were irresponsible.

They were polite, but indifferent ;-)
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On Mon, 19 Feb 2024 16:24:49 +0100, Ray Banana wrote:

> Thus spake "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
>
>> Ray Banana wrote:
>>> news.xlned.com is also listed as a source of interest on E-S.
>>> Even more interesting is abavia.com, who have been sending up to
>>> 3000 spam articles per day for more than 3 months. So far they
>>> have only focussed on the German hierarchy, but I'm sure this can
>>> be changed any time and their spam is much more sophisticated than
>>> the Google spam we have seen so far.
>> That explains it!!! I was using an Abavia re-seller from the
>> Netherlands and anything I replied to with a lot of cross-posts
>> 'disappeared' (as in, caught in a spam filter somewhere). Some of my
>> own posts never made it through if they were cross-posted and/or
>> contained URL links.
>
> If these were false positives, I would appreciate a couple of M-IDs to
> double-check.

Yes please, as Ray says, if you could post a MID of suspected false
positives, it helps all NoCeM senders to improve our filters to avoid such
things :)

In article <xn0oi9ioh1ye3aq009@news.eternal-september.org>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Ray Banana wrote:
>>
>> news.xlned.com is also listed as a source of interest on E-S.
>> Even more interesting is abavia.com, who have been sending up to
>> 3000 spam articles per day for more than 3 months. So far they
>> have only focussed on the German hierarchy, but I'm sure this can
>> be changed any time and their spam is much more sophisticated than
>> the Google spam we have seen so far.
>
>That explains it!!! I was using an Abavia re-seller from the
>Netherlands and anything I replied to with a lot of cross-posts
>'disappeared' (as in, caught in a spam filter somewhere). Some of my
>own posts never made it through if they were cross-posted and/or
>contained URL links.
>
>I didn't realise Abavia were irresponsible.

I wonder if I should add them in!
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Ray Banana wrote:

> Thus spake "Blueshirt" <blueshirt@indigo.news>
>
> > Ray Banana wrote:
> >> news.xlned.com is also listed as a source of interest on E-S.
> >> Even more interesting is abavia.com, who have been sending up to
> >> 3000 spam articles per day for more than 3 months. So far they
> >> have only focussed on the German hierarchy, but I'm sure this
> >> be changed any time and their spam is much more
> >> sophisticated than the Google spam we have seen so far.
> >
> > That explains it!!! I was using an Abavia re-seller from the
> > Netherlands and anything I replied to with a lot of cross-posts
> > 'disappeared' (as in, caught in a spam filter somewhere). Some
> > of my own posts never made it through if they were cross-posted
> > and/or contained URL links.
>
> If these were false positives, I would appreciate a couple of
> M-IDs to double-check.

Eternal-september actually carried the messages, so it wasn't a
problem with your server. The 'missing' messages were posted via my
XS News account (reader.xsnews.nl) with Abavia.com [automatically]
in the organisation header. The person on RADW that said they didn't
see my original post(s) and only saw the replies to them was using
news.kruemel.org. So I am assuming the problem lies in that
direction. Everyone else seemed to see the posts and replied
normally. (The messages reached GG too.)

On 2/18/24 12:36, Richard Harnden wrote:
> On 18/02/2024 18:08, James Kuyper wrote:
>> On 2/18/24 11:24, Scott Lurndal wrote:
>>> Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net> writes:
>>>> Spiros Bousbouras <spibou@gmail.com> writes:
>> ...
>>>>> From: Rainer Weikusat <rweikusat@talktalk.net>
>>>>> Newsgroups: comp.lang.perl.misc
>>>>> Subject: Re: printf with trailing dots ?
>>>>> Date: Thu, 23 Nov 2023 19:35:23 +0000
>>>>> Message-ID: <87v89sl0uc.fsf@doppelsaurus.mobileactivedefense.com>
>>>>> References: <slrnuls0ir.nep.hymie@nasalinux.net>
>>>>>
>>>>> It would have been strange if the group had gone totally downhill in
>>>>> 3 months.
>>>>
>>>> It has. It's mostly flooded with sex and (illegal) drug ads.
>>>
>>> That will diminish in 6 days.
>>
>> Why? They already stopped all posting of new messages through GG. All
>> that's going to happen on 2024-02-22 is that they're going to stop
>> displaying any new messages, regardless of where they are posted. If you
>> use GG, all new posts will stop completely, regardless of sender or
>> newsgroup. If you don't use GG, if your newsserver has good filtering,
>> you won't see those messages, and if your newsserver has poor filteing,
>> you should continue seeing those messages.
>
> They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
> They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.
>
> Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
> - simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
> then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.

Well, at least there's a chance they will care. Most of those servers
are paid, anyways.
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On 2/18/24 14:38, The Doctor wrote:
> In article <oIjzxAtgBbn69HaNe872eF2VJSE@jntp>,
> Eric M <conanospamic@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Le 18/02/2024 à 19:36, Richard Harnden a écrit :
>>
>>> They stopped new posts from some, but not all, groups.
>>> They have promised to depeer themselves completely on the 22nd.
>>>
>>> Which means all the spam will move to those servers that handle binaries
>>> - simply because those admins either don't care, or won't notice because
>>> then increase in bandwidth is basically zero for them.
>>
>> Spammers will have to pay this servers to post spam which will be almost
>> useless regarding to usenet population, and even the configuration will be
>> harder to understand for them, I don't think they still have bots designed
>> for usenet. So I think there will be very few of them, even legit users
>> who have been told for weeks to use something else than Google struggle
>> with it, so we can hope that it will be almost zero.
>
> almost 0 being the key.

Well any decrease is good.
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