On 1/17/2024 5:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
> On 2024-01-16 18:18:20 +0000, olcott said:
>
>> On 1/16/2024 9:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>> On 2024-01-13 17:07:56 +0000, olcott said:
>>>
>>>> Then forget about H1 and simply know that the directly executed D(D)
>>>> reaches its final state and terminates normally and D correctly
>>>> simulated by H cannot possibly do this.
>>>
>>> I.e., H1 can simulate D(D) to its termination but H can't.
>>>
>>> Mikko
>>>
>>
>> Do you not understand the idea of infinite recursion?
>>
>> That D DOES call H(D,D) in recursive simulation and
>> D does not call H1(D,D) in recursive simulation makes
>> the behavior of D correctly simulated by H different
>> than the behavior of D correctly simulated by H1.
>>
>> If you have no idea what infinite recursion is you
>> will not be able to understand this.
>>
>> If you don't know that halting means reaching a final
>> state and terminating normally then you will not be
>> able to understand the D correctly simulated by H
>> DOES NOT HALT.
>
> Nice to see that you don't disagree.
>
> Mikko
>

I don't think that immibis understands what infinite
recursions is, thus cannot understand recursive simulation.

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On 1/17/24 9:34 AM, olcott wrote:
> On 1/17/2024 5:18 AM, Mikko wrote:
>> On 2024-01-16 18:18:20 +0000, olcott said:
>>
>>> On 1/16/2024 9:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
>>>> On 2024-01-13 17:07:56 +0000, olcott said:
>>>>
>>>>> Then forget about H1 and simply know that the directly executed D(D)
>>>>> reaches its final state and terminates normally and D correctly
>>>>> simulated by H cannot possibly do this.
>>>>
>>>> I.e., H1 can simulate D(D) to its termination but H can't.
>>>>
>>>> Mikko
>>>>
>>>
>>> Do you not understand the idea of infinite recursion?
>>>
>>> That D DOES call H(D,D) in recursive simulation and
>>> D does not call H1(D,D) in recursive simulation makes
>>> the behavior of D correctly simulated by H different
>>> than the behavior of D correctly simulated by H1.
>>>
>>> If you have no idea what infinite recursion is you
>>> will not be able to understand this.
>>>
>>> If you don't know that halting means reaching a final
>>> state and terminating normally then you will not be
>>> able to understand the D correctly simulated by H
>>> DOES NOT HALT.
>>
>> Nice to see that you don't disagree.
>>
>> Mikko
>>
>
> I don't think that immibis understands what infinite
> recursions is, thus cannot understand recursive simulation.
>

You don't either, since you call it infinite recursion when it is just
D(D) calls H(D,D) to simualte D(D) which it does until it sees it call
H(D,D) at which point the first H aborts its simulation and returns to
D(D) which halts.

We never got to the 4th level of operation/simulation, which is a far
cry from infinite.

Remember, you have to look at the program you have, not the program you
want or might think you are getting.