Hello!

Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).

Is anybody from abavia here to investigate that?

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kind regards
Marco

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> wrote:
>Hello!
>Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
>They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
>Is anybody from abavia here to investigate that?

maybe google uses the same "ghost ship" business model that they're using?

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> Hello!
>
> Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
> They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).

I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
can try to catch them as best I can.

>
> Is anybody from abavia here to investigate that?

That would be great.

Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:

> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> > Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
> > They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
>
> I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
> NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
> can try to catch them as best I can.

You can check my nocems. I've canceled those that still appeared in my
rslight instance. I process NoCeM from you and E-S.

On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:58:36 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
>>> Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
>>> They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
>>
>> I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
>> NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
>> can try to catch them as best I can.
>
> You can check my nocems. I've canceled those that still appeared in my
> rslight instance. I process NoCeM from you and E-S.

Thank you. If you plan to continue producing nocem for de.*, I'll start
applying here since I don't read German.

Could you produce a statment, maybe on your rslight instance of what
criteria you use for nocem?

Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:

> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:58:36 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
> >
> >> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> >
> >>> Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
> >>> They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
> >>
> >> I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
> >> NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
> >> can try to catch them as best I can.
> >
> > You can check my nocems. I've canceled those that still appeared in
> > my rslight instance. I process NoCeM from you and E-S.
>
> Thank you. If you plan to continue producing nocem for de.*, I'll
> start applying here since I don't read German.

I will continue to create them if needed.

> Could you produce a statment, maybe on your rslight instance of what
> criteria you use for nocem?

In which group?

I issue them for

spam (UCE/UBE)
bot-generated/AI spam (like that from Abavia)
OT/troll flood, like <ungeau$1n1el$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>
<unb5o8$14mta$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>

That guy posts completely topic-unrelated junk to that group for a
relevant amount of time, sometimes crossposted to other groups.

Currently, I do that manually, so the amount of false-positive will
be zero and mostly I only do it for posts that are still on i2pn2
because I use that as an upstream server.
If other people will process my NoCeM, I might do it for other
hierarchies and posts too.

I like freedom of speech and I won't list posts that I don't like.

Thus spake Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de>
> spam (UCE/UBE)
> bot-generated/AI spam (like that from Abavia)
> OT/troll flood, like <ungeau$1n1el$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>
> <unb5o8$14mta$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>

The articles in question are neither bot nor AI generated and I would
strongly recommend not to include them in the same category as the
Abavia pseudo discussions. If you really think these low-volume and easy
to killfile warrant NoCeM messages, put them in a category of their own
like yamo does for pasdenom.

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On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:04:24 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:

> Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:58:36 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>>
>>> Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
>>>>> They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
>>>>
>>>> I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
>>>> NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
>>>> can try to catch them as best I can.
>>>
>>> You can check my nocems. I've canceled those that still appeared in
>>> my rslight instance. I process NoCeM from you and E-S.
>>
>> Thank you. If you plan to continue producing nocem for de.*, I'll
>> start applying here since I don't read German.
>
> I will continue to create them if needed.
>
>> Could you produce a statment, maybe on your rslight instance of what
>> criteria you use for nocem?
>
> In which group?

If you're going to continue producing nocem, maybe stick with de.*, and
just explain what you issue them for somewhere on pi-dach.dorfdsl.de. That
way people can decide whether to apply them or not. You can pretty easily
add a line in the nocem script to display link to it.

Ray makes an excellent point in his reply to your message, maybe use a
different category (Type) for the nocem. I would need to modify the script
you use to produce them, but that is easy to do.

But since you don't receive the ai generated articles, as they are filtered
upstream from you, the above might not be necessary, and you can just make
a statement available using your current nocem settings.

> I like freedom of speech and I won't list posts that I don't like.

Good to hear.

On 29.02.2024 um 09:41 Uhr Retro Guy wrote:

> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 16:04:24 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>
> > Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
> >
> >> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:58:36 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> >>
> >>> Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
> >>>
> >>>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>> Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
> >>>>> They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
> >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
> >>>> NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
> >>>> can try to catch them as best I can.
> >>>
> >>> You can check my nocems. I've canceled those that still appeared
> >>> in my rslight instance. I process NoCeM from you and E-S.
> >>
> >> Thank you. If you plan to continue producing nocem for de.*, I'll
> >> start applying here since I don't read German.
> >
> > I will continue to create them if needed.
> >
> >> Could you produce a statment, maybe on your rslight instance of
> >> what criteria you use for nocem?
> >
> > In which group?
>
> If you're going to continue producing nocem, maybe stick with de.*,
> and just explain what you issue them for somewhere on
> pi-dach.dorfdsl.de. That way people can decide whether to apply them
> or not. You can pretty easily add a line in the nocem script to
> display link to it.
>
> Ray makes an excellent point in his reply to your message, maybe use a
> different category (Type) for the nocem. I would need to modify the
> script you use to produce them, but that is easy to do.

I will try that.

> But since you don't receive the ai generated articles, as they are
> filtered upstream from you, the above might not be necessary, and you
> can just make a statement available using your current nocem settings.

I received some of them. That was the main reason I startet to use
nocem.

--
kind regards
Marco

Send spam to muell456@cartoonies.org

On 29 Feb 2024, Marco Moock <mm+usenet@dorfdsl.de> posted some
news:urq6dp$lb5b$2@dont-email.me:

> Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
>
>> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 13:58:36 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>>
>> > Am 29.02.2024 schrieb Retro Guy <retroguy@novabbs.org>:
>> >
>> >> On Thu, 29 Feb 2024 10:11:20 +0100, Marco Moock wrote:
>> >
>> >>> Since months bot-spam is being injected via abavia.
>> >>> They don't reply to abuse messages (only an automatic reply).
>> >>
>> >> I believe both Ray (e-s) and I are catching these and issuing
>> >> NoCeM for them. Are there some we are missing? Just asking so I
>> >> can try to catch them as best I can.
>> >
>> > You can check my nocems. I've canceled those that still appeared in
>> > my rslight instance. I process NoCeM from you and E-S.
>>
>> Thank you. If you plan to continue producing nocem for de.*, I'll
>> start applying here since I don't read German.
>
> I will continue to create them if needed.
>
>> Could you produce a statment, maybe on your rslight instance of what
>> criteria you use for nocem?
>
> In which group?
>
> I issue them for
>
> spam (UCE/UBE)
> bot-generated/AI spam (like that from Abavia)
> OT/troll flood, like <ungeau$1n1el$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>
><unb5o8$14mta$1@gwaiyur.mb-net.net>
>
> That guy posts completely topic-unrelated junk to that group for a
> relevant amount of time, sometimes crossposted to other groups.
>
> Currently, I do that manually, so the amount of false-positive will
> be zero and mostly I only do it for posts that are still on i2pn2
> because I use that as an upstream server.
> If other people will process my NoCeM, I might do it for other
> hierarchies and posts too.
>
> I like freedom of speech and I won't list posts that I don't like.

I issue nocems for any nocems you generate.

Thus spake rogue server admin <rogeaadmin@dublin.ie>

> I issue nocems for any nocems you generate.

What's the point of hiding the NoCeMs that removed other postings?
You need to send DoCeMs for target articles!!!!!!!1111111111

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Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> wrote:
>Thus spake rogue server admin <rogeaadmin@dublin.ie>

>>I issue nocems for any nocems you generate.

>What's the point of hiding the NoCeMs that removed other postings?
>You need to send DoCeMs for target articles!!!!!!!1111111111

Hahahahahahahaha

Am 29.02.2024 schrieb rogue server admin <rogeaadmin@dublin.ie>:

> I issue nocems for any nocems you generate.

I am happy about that. Nobody will process them, so they are useless.
:-)

On 29 Feb 2024, Ray Banana <rayban@raybanana.net> posted some
news:8m7cinni0m.fsf@raybanana.net:

> Thus spake rogue server admin <rogeaadmin@dublin.ie>
>
>> I issue nocems for any nocems you generate.
>
> What's the point of hiding the NoCeMs that removed other postings?
> You need to send DoCeMs for target articles!!!!!!!1111111111

lol!