On 2023-07-23, Bob Campbell <nunya@none.none> wrote:
> badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is that as
>> Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their only difference
>> is one denies everything they disagree with and the other attacks everyone
>> they disagree with.
>
> Its interesting that you interpret pointing out obvious lies as
> “disagreeing”.

That's because he agrees with Arlen's and sms's trolls. He always hates
when someone points this out, and tries to pretend he's not a troll, but
it's very clear to anyone paying attention.

> Arlen repeats absurd lies here every day. Things like:
>
> “You can’t turn an iPhone off. All you can do is turn the screen
> off.”
>
> Obviously untrue.
>
> “Apple charges more for the Product Red iPhone than other colors”.
>
> Obviously untrue.
>
> “Apple rebuilds the entire iOS and sends out the entire iOS to every
> device for every update, even if only a single line of code was
> changed.”
>
> Obviously untrue.
>
> “Apple pleaded guilty in France for something or other”.
>
> Obviously untrue.
>
> “You can’t download YouTube videos using this Unix command line app,
> because it has not been ported to iOS”.
>
> Obviously untrue.
>
> “Apple uses laughably small batteries in phones, thus iPhones have
> terrible battery life”.
>
> Obviously untrue.
>
> “Android can do cross-platform, ultrasonic file transfers. Apple
> can’t”.
>
> Not only untrue, but hilarious. There is no such thing as
> “ultrasonic file transfers”. Arlen REALLY made a fool of himself on
> that one.
>
> And on and on and on and on.
>
> This is the very definition of trolling. Pointing out the absurd lies
> is NOT trolling. Nor is it attacking. Nor it is disagreeing. Nor is
> it being an “Apple Apologist”.

Indeed. But the only weak defense the trolls have is to make those
stupid claims.

> If (1) Arlen EVER presents an Actual Fact and then (2) someone here
> denies/disagrees/attacks, THEN you can call that person an “Apple
> Apologist”. But that has not happened here yet, because Arlen never
> presents Actual Facts. Only Arlen Facts.
>
> All of which have been repeatedly proven to be wrong. Yet Arlen
> continues to post them. Again, the very definition of trolling.

Arlen's little gang *desperately* wants to deflect from these facts and
attempt to paint everyone else as "the real trolls". It's not working.

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Bob Campbell wrote:

>> I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
>>that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold.
>>Their only difference is one denies everything they disagree with
>>and the other attacks everyone they disagree with.
>
>Its interesting that you interpret pointing out obvious lies as
>“disagreeing”.
>
>Arlen repeats absurd lies here every day.

I think you misunderstood my attempt to "translate" what Arlen was
saying as my own opinion.

It's obvious Arlen is trolling and even often goes overboard. But that
doesn't change the fact that Jolly Roger constantly attacks everyone he
disagrees with, and nospam disagrees without explaining why, other than
"not needed" or "no one wants it". It's become a meme on this group.
And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
news article about Apple he doesn't like. I know mainstream news today
can be viewed dubiously when it comes to facts, but it's what we have
available for now.

On 7/23/2023 10:58 AM, badgolferman wrote:

> It's obvious Arlen is trolling and even often goes overboard. But that
> doesn't change the fact that Jolly Roger constantly attacks everyone he
> disagrees with, and nospam disagrees without explaining why, other than
> "not needed" or "no one wants it". It's become a meme on this group.
> And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
> news article about Apple he doesn't like. I know mainstream news today
> can be viewed dubiously when it comes to facts, but it's what we have
> available for now.

You have a lot of patience. I just filter out nospam, Jolly Roger, Bob
Campbell, Jorge Lorenz, and as many of "Arlen's" aliases as I can
determine. Responding to trolls whether fanbois or those that dislike
Apple for whatever reason, and who contribute nothing of value, never
provide cites or references, and are only here to annoy those of us that
want to ask questions or share knowledge.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

In article <u9k0kp$b87s$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> I just filter out nospam, Jolly Roger, Bob
> Campbell, Jorge Lorenz, and as many of "Arlen's" aliases as I can
> determine.

coincidentally, the ones who consistently prove you wrong.

only a coward would do that.

> Responding to trolls whether fanbois or those that dislike
> Apple for whatever reason, and who contribute nothing of value, never
> provide cites or references, and are only here to annoy those of us that
> want to ask questions or share knowledge.

another one of your veiled ad hominem attacks, along with a massive
dose of projection.

only a coward would do that.

those whom you criticize are the ones who have all of the facts, with
numerous references, including from apple, repeatedly proving you wrong
on just about everything.

the reality is that it's *you* who seeks to annoy and troll.

On 2023-07-23, badgolferman <REMOVETHISbadgolferman@gmail.com> wrote:
> Bob Campbell wrote:
>
>>> I agree they are not the same person, but I think Arlen’s point is
>>> that as Apple “apologists” they are made from the same mold. Their
>>> only difference is one denies everything they disagree with and the
>>> other attacks everyone they disagree with.
>>
>> Its interesting that you interpret pointing out obvious lies as
>> “disagreeing”.
>>
>> Arlen repeats absurd lies here every day.
>
> I think you misunderstood my attempt to "translate" what Arlen was
> saying as my own opinion.
>
> It's obvious Arlen is trolling and even often goes overboard. But
> that doesn't change the fact that Jolly Roger constantly attacks
> everyone he disagrees with

Where "everyone he disagrees with" means trolls. To prove it, go ahead
and point out the multitude of instances where I've supposedly attacked
people I've disagreed with who *weren't* trolling.

> And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
> news article about Apple he doesn't like.

Nah, you troll about yellow iPhones and lots of other ridiculous things,
and you hate when people call you out on it. You also regularly side
with Arlen and sms when they troll.

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On 2023-07-23 15:56, sms wrote:

> You have a lot of patience. I just filter out nospam, Jolly Roger, Bob
> Campbell, Jorge Lorenz, and as many of "Arlen's" aliases as I can
> determine. Responding to trolls whether fanbois or those that dislike
> Apple for whatever reason, and who contribute nothing of value, never
> provide cites or references, and are only here to annoy those of us that
> want to ask questions or share knowledge.

Because they challenge your often erroneous conclusions or statements
about things, you find solace in the illusion of silence.

Point is while you're not always wrong you are definitely wrong on a
variety of things. And when they are pointed out to you, you then go on
a twisty, curvy trail of making things up to support your position.

If you were honest with yourself, you would not suppress those above and
take heed what they say and especially admit where you're wrong.
(Although the "Arlen" and aliases definitely merits attenuation).

Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote

>> And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
>> news article about Apple he doesn't like.
>
> Nah, you troll about yellow iPhones and lots of other ridiculous things,
> and you hate when people call you out on it.

*Everything true about Apple, he hates, Jolly Roger calls a troll.*

1. If Apple touts they built a yellow iPhone (which is a true fact)
2. And if someone points it out (which is also a true fact)
3. Then Jolly Roger calls every mention of those true facts, trolls.

Why?
*Because Jolly Roger calls _EVERYTHING HE HATES_ about Apple, a troll.*

That wouldn't be so bad if Jolly Roger didn't hate so much about Apple.
:)

On 2023-07-24 18:16, Wally J wrote:
> Jolly Roger <jollyroger@pobox.com> wrote
>
>>> And of course I'm a troll according to Jolly Roger whenever I post a
>>> news article about Apple he doesn't like.
>>
>> Nah, you troll about yellow iPhones and lots of other ridiculous things,
>> and you hate when people call you out on it.
>
> *Everything true about Apple, he hates, Jolly Roger calls a troll.*
>
> 1. If Apple touts they built a yellow iPhone (which is a true fact)

A consumer product company makes a commercial.

> 2. And if someone points it out (which is also a true fact)
> 3. Then Jolly Roger calls every mention of those true facts, trolls.
>
> Why?
> *Because Jolly Roger calls _EVERYTHING HE HATES_ about Apple, a troll.*
>
> That wouldn't be so bad if Jolly Roger didn't hate so much about Apple.
> :)

On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:53:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:

> On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
> - Carrier Lock.
>
> My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
> iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.

I called tmobile who said that they automatically unlock all the phones
when the lien period expires. With iPhones they said you may have to remove
the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.

In article <ua142b$sgjc$1@news.samoylyk.net>, Wolf Greenblatt
<wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:

> With iPhones they said you may have to remove
> the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.

not required, nor is it possible with esims.

On 7/28/2023 12:15 PM, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:53:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
>> - Carrier Lock.
>>
>> My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
>> iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
>
> I called tmobile who said that they automatically unlock all the phones
> when the lien period expires. With iPhones they said you may have to remove
> the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.

On Verizon, they are required to unlock all phones after 60 days,
whether or not they are paid off (this isn't something that Verizon
wanted to do, they were mandated by the FCC to do it).

If you're traveling outside the U.S., and need to use a foreign SIM or
eSIM then you're SOL with AT&T or T-Mobile if you have a carrier-locked
phone, except you can (or at least you used to be able to) request a
temporary 30 day unlock for Android devices but it is not possible for
them to do this on iPhones (it's permanent unlock or nothing). T-Mobile
used to sometimes be willing to permanently unlock an iPhone based on
time-remaining until it was paid off and how good of a customer you are,
but reportedly they no longer will do this.

Another option, for iPhones, is an R-SIM unlock card, i.e.
<https://www.ebay.com/itm/115831492317?chn=ps&var=415917254814>

I cover temporary unlocking in the document, 213a on page 108, see
<https://docs.google.com/document/d/1JznrWfGJDA8CYVfjSnPTwfVy8-gAC0kPyaApuJTcUNE/edit#bookmark=id.qdfmsdox56d1>.

I went through this earlier this year with someone whose iPhone 12 Pro
had been stolen in Paris and he needed to replace it. He needed an
iPhone with a physical SIM card so the 14 Pro was out, and the 13 Pro
was only still available from T-Mobile, not even unlocked from Apple. I
suggested that he buy the T-Mobile 13 Pro phone at full price (it was on
sale) with two months of service until it was unlocked (after 40 days)
then move his service back to AT&T. He ended up buying a used 13 Pro,
which was a bad idea as it had camera problems, and it was not that much
cheaper than it would have been for him to buy a new 13 Pro from T-Mobile.

--
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really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards

On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:24:34 -0400, nospam wrote:

>> With iPhones they said you may have to remove
>> the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.
>
> not required, nor is it possible with esims.

The iPhone involved is an iPhone 12 mini which went off the lien a few
months ago but which showed today in the iOS settings that it was locked.

I called tmobile to ask them to unlock it and they said the IMEI was
automatically unlocked when it went off of its two year lien status.

So it's only iOS that isn't recording the unlock status, which isn't a big
deal as the owner didn't feel like removing the sim card just to reset iOS.

In article <ua1ca8$sv3n$1@news.samoylyk.net>, Wolf Greenblatt
<wolf@greenblatt.net> wrote:

> So it's only iOS that isn't recording the unlock status, which isn't a big
> deal as the owner didn't feel like removing the sim card just to reset iOS.

there's no need to remove the sim when an iphone is unlocked.

In article <ua1aph$2b53g$1@dont-email.me>, sms
<scharf.steven@geemail.com> wrote:

> On Verizon, they are required to unlock all phones after 60 days,
> whether or not they are paid off (this isn't something that Verizon
> wanted to do, they were mandated by the FCC to do it).

that's quite the spin.

verizon is mandated to not lock phones at all for use of their lte
bands, however, they paid off ajit pi, former fcc chairman, to not
prosecute them for directly violating it if they unlocked it after 60
days.

On 2023-07-28 15:15, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Fri, 14 Jul 2023 17:53:32 -0000 (UTC), badgolferman wrote:
>
>> On my iPhone 14 with T-Mobile it shows under Settings - General - About
>> - Carrier Lock.
>>
>> My phone is locked because it's still being paid for, but my wife's
>> iPhone 12 was unlocked automatically.
>
> I called tmobile who said that they automatically unlock all the phones
> when the lien period expires. With iPhones they said you may have to remove
> the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.

Removing the SIM cars was more "performance support" than useful.

Restarts ("Reboot") definitely can help in a lot of situations. Clears
the air, so to speak. (Where air includes caches, app variables, some
files, etc. and so on).

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

On 7/28/2023 2:35 PM, Wolf Greenblatt wrote:
> On Fri, 28 Jul 2023 15:24:34 -0400, nospam wrote:
>
>>> With iPhones they said you may have to remove
>>> the sim card and reboot to see the unlock status show up in the settings.
>>
>> not required, nor is it possible with esims.
>
> The iPhone involved is an iPhone 12 mini which went off the lien a few
> months ago but which showed today in the iOS settings that it was locked.
>
> I called tmobile to ask them to unlock it and they said the IMEI was
> automatically unlocked when it went off of its two year lien status.
>
> So it's only iOS that isn't recording the unlock status, which isn't a big
> deal as the owner didn't feel like removing the sim card just to reset iOS.

Both of my iPhones, that were purchased locked, showed in the iOS
setting that they were unlocked after the unlock period (1 year in one
case, 60 days in another case). It was not necessary for me to remove a
SIM card for this to occur, it just happened.

It _could_ be a big deal. Under "Carrier Lock" it needs to say "No SIM
restrictions." Spend $1 for a Tracfone SIM card
(https://www.target.com/p/total-by-verizon-starter-sim-kit/-/A-86947371),
or try a non-T-Mobile free trial eSIM, to test it.

--
“If you are not an expert on a subject, then your opinions about it
really do matter less than the opinions of experts. It's not
indoctrination nor elitism. It's just that you don't know as much as
they do about the subject.”—Tin Foil Awards