On Tue, 19 Dec 2023 15:37:06 +1100
dxf <dxforth@gmail.com> wrote:

> to undo - and even then some can't such as quoting. TB has grown
> into a monster that I wonder whether the developers still have a
> handle on it.

I tried the Thunderbird version in Debian Bullseye. What's surprising
is how unstable it was even before the final, unrecoverable crash.

Sure, a non recent version may have issues. But by now Thunderbird
is probably mature enough to have all the major stability issues ironed
out.

David Schultz <david.schultz@earthlink.net> writes:
>
> I do have some degree of nostalgia for the old readers, rn, trn, xrn,
> etc. but not enough to dig up a copy and switch back.
>
After all these years, I still use 'Tass' the source code of which was
originally included in my copy of Coherent (Unix Version 7 clone) back in
the 1990s. It's curses-based.

The most recent version that I have seen in the wild is 3.6.4. I made some
amendments to that which I use as 3.7.2

Jack
--
I could tell you a joke about UDP.
But you might not get it.

On 12/18/23 23:37, dxf wrote:
> On 19/12/2023 4:54 am, Paolo Amoroso wrote:
>> On Sat, 16 Dec 2023 20:26:55 +0100
>> Paolo Amoroso <info@paoloamoroso.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Never mind, now Thunderbird correctly connects and authenticates to
>>> Eternal September and I'm posting this from the program.
>>
>> It didn't last long. After crashing badly, Thunderbird no longer started
>> on my even after reinstalling the program. It was unusable, so I
>> looked for another GUI NNTP client for Linux and found Claws Mail:

I finally had to lock out updates to TB on Ubuntu. I have a hybrid
arrangement for mail where I fetch from a local IMAP and post using SMTP to
Gmail. A change made last spring totally broke me and the developers don't
want to hear about it. Was a complete PITA to locate a .deb package for the
previous version and get back in operation. I won't be trusting them again.

I've long believed that such ego-driven churn and breakage was the enemy of
Linux adoption by non-technical folks.

On Mon, 25 Dec 2023, Steven Hirsch wrote:

> I finally had to lock out updates to TB on Ubuntu. I have a hybrid
> arrangement for mail where I fetch from a local IMAP and post using SMTP to
> Gmail. A change made last spring totally broke me and the developers don't
> want to hear about it. Was a complete PITA to locate a .deb package for the
> previous version and get back in operation. I won't be trusting them again.
>
> I've long believed that such ego-driven churn and breakage was the enemy of
> Linux adoption by non-technical folks.

The Firefox people for similar reasons kept breaking Seamonkey and forcing
them to use a fork of an older version of Gecko, with the result that
Seamonkey is starting to become less and less able to handle the modern
web, while I have so many of my settings there and prefer the UI and UX
which has basically been the main way I've surfed the Web for literally
upward of a quarter of a century (it being the direct successor of
Netscape Navigator)...

-uso.

Jack Strangio <jackstrangio@yahoo.com> wrote:
> After all these years, I still use 'Tass' the source code of which was
> originally included in my copy of Coherent (Unix Version 7 clone) back in
> the 1990s. It's curses-based.

I have also used Tass on Coherent back in the days. Then moved to Tin (also
curses-based) and still using it.

For those looking for a Usenet provider, http://individual.net/ might be
another option. Not free, but at 10 EUR per year certainly affordable. I
am a satisfied customer myself since my UUCP feed shut down.

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> For those looking for a Usenet provider, http://individual.net/ might be
> another option. Not free, but at 10 EUR per year certainly affordable. I
> am a satisfied customer myself since my UUCP feed shut down.

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