Group : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
Statistics : from 1/1/2024 to 3/31/2024

***** Users with most messages *****
num| Name | Nb Msg |
size | or. | %
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
1 | Adam H. Kerman | 78 |
233,521 | 0 | 10.17% xxxxxxxxxx
2 | Eric M | 63 |
132,990 | 0 | 8.21% xxxxxxxx
3 | llp | 59 |
161,222 | 4 | 7.69% xxxxxxx
4 | Frank Slootweg | 53 |
171,705 | 0 | 6.91% xxxxxx
5 | immibis | 40 |
84,571 | 0 | 5.22% xxxxx
6 | D | 30 |
50,274 | 6 | 3.91% xxx
7 | Adam W. | 29 |
71,553 | 3 | 3.78% xxx
8 | The Doctor | 28 |
281,830 | 3 | 3.65% xxx
9 | Ray Banana | 28 |
57,214 | 1 | 3.65% xxx
10 | Scott Dorsey | 28 |
45,169 | 0 | 3.65% xxx
11 | Retro Guy | 21 |
45,204 | 0 | 2.74% xx
12 | Olivier Miakinen | 20 |
48,903 | 0 | 2.61% xx
13 | candycanearter07 | 19 |
46,709 | 0 | 2.48% xx
14 | Marco Moock | 18 |
32,564 | 2 | 2.35% xx
15 | Grant Taylor | 16 |
67,774 | 0 | 2.09% xx
16 | Tim Skirvin | 13 |
114,072 | 13 | 1.69% x
17 | Sn!pe | 12 |
38,919 | 1 | 1.56% x
18 | noel | 12 |
23,563 | 0 | 1.56% x
19 | Spaceship | 11 |
41,629 | 0 | 1.43% x
20 | victor | 11 |
24,456 | 0 | 1.43% x
21 | Ivo Gandolfo | 11 |
22,104 | 0 | 1.43% x
22 | yamo' | 10 |
21,313 | 0 | 1.30% x
23 | Gunther F | 9 |
31,405 | 1 | 1.17% x
24 | R Daneel Olivaw | 9 |
20,029 | 1 | 1.17% x
25 | DV | 9 |
29,215 | 0 | 1.17% x
26 | Andrew | 8 |
32,874 | 1 | 1.04% x
27 | Indira | 6 |
12,632 | 2 | 0.78%
28 | Blueshirt | 6 |
12,618 | 0 | 0.78%
29 | Anonymous | 6 |
10,391 | 0 | 0.78%
30 | Spiros Bousbouras | 5 |
11,388 | 1 | 0.65%
31 | Jesse Rehmer | 4 |
8,512 | 2 | 0.52%
32 | ??????????Jen?????????? Dershmender ???????????????????? | 4 |
14,886 | 1 | 0.52%
33 | Chez | 4 |
13,974 | 0 | 0.52%
34 | Ricardo Hernandez | 4 |
6,937 | 0 | 0.52%
35 | faq | 3 |
17,980 | 3 | 0.39%
36 | Richard Harnden | 3 |
7,650 | 2 | 0.39%
37 | Julien ÉLIE | 3 |
5,798 | 1 | 0.39%
38 | Russ Allbery | 3 |
5,901 | 0 | 0.39%
39 | Dutch Spammer | 3 |
4,660 | 0 | 0.39%
40 | Nomen Nescio | 3 |
4,203 | 0 | 0.39%
41 | david | 2 |
3,342 | 1 | 0.26%
42 | Spam Report | 2 |
2,663 | 1 | 0.26%
43 | David Goodwin | 2 |
5,313 | 0 | 0.26%
44 | def | 2 |
4,617 | 0 | 0.26%
45 | Adam h. Kerman | 2 |
4,593 | 0 | 0.26%
46 | Jan K. | 2 |
4,557 | 0 | 0.26%
47 | Richard Kettlewell | 2 |
4,510 | 0 | 0.26%
48 | John | 2 |
4,352 | 0 | 0.26%
49 | Nigel Reed | 2 |
3,701 | 0 | 0.26%
50 | Andy Burns | 2 |
3,497 | 0 | 0.26%
51 | Ralph Fox | 2 |
3,430 | 0 | 0.26%
52 | Wolf Greenblatt | 2 |
3,169 | 0 | 0.26%
53 | Tom Furie | 2 |
3,037 | 0 | 0.26%
54 | SPAM Complaint | 1 |
4,079 | 1 | 0.13%
55 | Bright Idea | 1 |
2,088 | 1 | 0.13%
56 | Spooks Suck | 1 |
2,080 | 1 | 0.13%
57 | Spamtroller Info | 1 |
2,072 | 1 | 0.13%
58 | Spam Abuse Report | 1 |
1,644 | 1 | 0.13%
59 | SR912 | 1 |
4,353 | 0 | 0.13%
60 | Blue-Maned_Hawk | 1 |
3,858 | 0 | 0.13%
61 | V Martin | 1 |
3,467 | 0 | 0.13%
62 | Matija Nalis | 1 |
3,099 | 0 | 0.13%
63 | Computer Nerd Kev | 1 |
3,086 | 0 | 0.13%
64 | Jakob Bohm | 1 |
2,984 | 0 | 0.13%
65 | rogue server admin | 1 |
2,940 | 0 | 0.13%
66 | Seamus Godwin | 1 |
2,718 | 0 | 0.13%
67 | Jörg Lorenz | 1 |
2,643 | 0 | 0.13%
68 | Passing by | 1 |
2,590 | 0 | 0.13%
69 | wolfgang rothe | 1 |
2,477 | 0 | 0.13%
70 | Mr Ön!on | 1 |
2,199 | 0 | 0.13%
71 | bernie | 1 |
2,146 | 0 | 0.13%
72 | Scurvy Skirv Dog | 1 |
2,144 | 0 | 0.13%
73 | floffy@gallaxial.com | 1 |
2,127 | 0 | 0.13%
74 | Harry S Robins | 1 |
2,093 | 0 | 0.13%
75 | Enrico Papaloma | 1 |
1,990 | 0 | 0.13%
76 | Seamus | 1 |
1,918 | 0 | 0.13%
77 | A B | 1 |
1,881 | 0 | 0.13%
78 | Bill Powell | 1 |
1,875 | 0 | 0.13%
79 | Gelato | 1 |
1,809 | 0 | 0.13%
80 | Hello UseNet | 1 |
1,756 | 0 | 0.13%
81 | Nick Cine | 1 |
1,671 | 0 | 0.13%
82 | S. Frederico | 1 |
1,636 | 0 | 0.13%
83 | Mark Janson | 1 |
1,569 | 0 | 0.13%
84 | Hip Crime Boss | 1 |
1,536 | 0 | 0.13%
85 | Automated Spam Filter | 1 |
1,442 | 0 | 0.13%
86 | Mickey | 1 |
1,384 | 0 | 0.13%
87 | German Nazi Hunter | 1 |
1,360 | 0 | 0.13%
88 | Marco | 1 |
1,339 | 0 | 0.13%
89 | ##### Serial Japanese Spammer ##### | 1 |
1,312 | 0 | 0.13%
90 | KJ Jones | 1 |
1,248 | 0 | 0.13%
91 | Japanese Spammer | 1 |
1,177 | 0 | 0.13%
92 | kludge@panix.com | 1 |
1,050 | 0 | 0.13%
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|

The Doctor wrote:

> Group : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
> Statistics : from 1/1/2024 to 3/31/2024

If you find it necessary to post those statistics, could you do that
without mangling them that badly?

Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> wrote at 10:48 this Monday (GMT):
> The Doctor wrote:
>
>> Group : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>> Statistics : from 1/1/2024 to 3/31/2024
>
> If you find it necessary to post those statistics, could you do that
> without mangling them that badly?

What do you mean by mangling?
--
user <candycane> is generated from /dev/urandom

In article <nanu.20240401124807.189@scatha.ancalagon.de>,
Thomas Hochstein <thh@thh.name> wrote:
>The Doctor wrote:
>
>> Group : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>> Statistics : from 1/1/2024 to 3/31/2024
>
>If you find it necessary to post those statistics, could you do that
>without mangling them that badly?

How did I mangle it?
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On 4/1/24 12:11, The Doctor wrote:
> How did I mangle it?
Something seems to be eating specific select white space.

It's most predominant when the line is wrapped and continued on the next
line. But it's also visible in the first four characters of the
unwrapped lines.

This is what I see in Thunderbird. -- I can't rule out a Thunderbird
problem.

num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_size____|_or._|_%
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
_1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
_2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
_3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
_4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
_5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
_6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
_7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
_8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
_9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x_

This is what I see in the source for the same lines of the article.

_num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_
size____|_or._|_%
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
__1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_
233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
__2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_
132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
__3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_
161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
__4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_
171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
__5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_
_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
__6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_
_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
__7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_
_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
__8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_
281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
__9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_
_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
_10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_
_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
_11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_
_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
_12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_
_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
_13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_
_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
_14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_
_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
_15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_
_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
_16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_
114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
_17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_
_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
_18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_
_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x

Unwrapped source

_num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_
size____|_or._|_%
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
__1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
__2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
__3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
__4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
__5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
__6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
__7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
__8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
__9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
_10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
_11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
_12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
_13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
_14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
_15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
_16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
_17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
_18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x

I also question the value of these messages.

I similarly question the value of the Usenet FAQ and the monthly stats
articles are far more numerous. Sometimes they are even repeated in the
same newsgroup.

I've considered filtering them at my news server. I just haven't found
sufficient round-2-its to do so /yet/.

These articles aren't discussions in and of themselves. Just about
every reply I've seen to them has been more of a complaint or discussion
about the complaint.

--
Grant. . . .

On 4/1/24 19:14, Grant Taylor wrote:
> I also question the value of these messages.
....
> These articles aren't discussions in and of themselves.  Just about
> every reply I've seen to them has been more of a complaint or discussion
> about the complaint.

What's more is that these articles -- thankfully -- aren't posted to
every newsgroup. So there seems to be some selection criteria.

As such it makes me wonder if it's newsgroups that The Doctor is
subscribing to and if it might be his reader that's posting them.

Which makes them seem even less official and more noise hedging on spam.

--
Grant. . . .

Grant Taylor wrote:
> On 4/1/24 12:11, The Doctor wrote:
>> How did I mangle it?
> Something seems to be eating specific select white space.
>
> It's most predominant when the line is wrapped and continued on the next
> line.  But it's also visible in the first four characters of the
> unwrapped lines.
>
> This is what I see in Thunderbird.  --  I can't rule out a Thunderbird
> problem.
>
> num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_size____|_or._|_%
>
> ----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
> _1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
>
> _2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
>
> _3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
>
> _4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
>
> _5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
>
> _6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
>
> _7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
>
> _8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
>
> _9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
>
> 10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
>
> 11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
>
> 12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
>
> 13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
>
> 14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
>
> 15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
>
> 16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
>
> 17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
>
> 18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x_
>
>
> This is what I see in the source for the same lines of the article.
>
> _num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_
> size____|_or._|_%
> ----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
> __1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_
> 233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
> __2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_
> 132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
> __3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_
> 161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
> __4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_
> 171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
> __5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_
> _84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
> __6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_
> _50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
> __7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_
> _71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
> __8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_
> 281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
> __9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_
> _57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
> _10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_
> _45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
> _11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_
> _45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
> _12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_
> _48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
> _13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_
> _46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
> _14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_
> _32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
> _15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_
> _67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
> _16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_
> 114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
> _17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_
> _38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
> _18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_
> _23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x
>
> Unwrapped source
>
> _num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_
> size____|_or._|_%
> ----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>
> __1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
>
> __2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
>
> __3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
>
> __4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
>
> __5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
>
> __6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
>
> __7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
>
> __8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
>
> __9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
>
> _10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
>
> _11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
>
> _12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
>
> _13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
>
> _14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
>
> _15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
>
> _16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
>
> _17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
>
> _18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x
>
>
> I also question the value of these messages.
>
> I similarly question the value of the Usenet FAQ and the monthly stats
> articles are far more numerous.  Sometimes they are even repeated in the
> same newsgroup.
>
> I've considered filtering them at my news server.  I just haven't found
> sufficient round-2-its to do so /yet/.
>
> These articles aren't discussions in and of themselves.  Just about
> every reply I've seen to them has been more of a complaint or discussion
> about the complaint.
>
>
>

I'm using Seamonkey (which The Doctor does not recognise) and everything
looks fine apart from the "Subjects with most answers" table. All the
entries go over two lines. Big deal. Apart from that, this mail comes
once every three months so what's the point in filtering it?

Grant Taylor wrote:

> On 4/1/24 12:11, The Doctor wrote:
> > How did I mangle it?
> Something seems to be eating specific select white space.

FWIW the stats are not mangled on my newsreader. (XanaNews)

> It's most predominant when the line is wrapped and continued
> on the next line. But it's also visible in the first four
> characters of the unwrapped lines.
>
> This is what I see in Thunderbird. -- I can't rule out a
> Thunderbird problem.

Not seeing it here anyway so it's possibly the latter.

> [Snip]
>
> I also question the value of these messages.

Some people might find them informative.

> I similarly question the value of the Usenet FAQ and the
> monthly stats articles are far more numerous. Sometimes they
> are even repeated in the same newsgroup.

Too often and the stats posts can get annoying, quarterly and
yearly would suffice. But they don't seem to do any harm... and
I'm sure there are stat nerds out there that like that sort of
thing.

> I've considered filtering them at my news server. I just
> haven't found sufficient round-2-its to do so yet.
>
> These articles aren't discussions in and of themselves. Just
> about every reply I've seen to them has been more of a
> complaint or discussion about the complaint.

Easily skipped, ignored ... or filtered.

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Grant Taylor wrote:
>>On 4/1/24 12:11, The Doctor wrote:

>>>How did I mangle it?

>>Something seems to be eating specific select white space.

>FWIW the stats are not mangled on my newsreader. (XanaNews)

The table was mostly long lines and doesn't display properly on an 80
character wide terminal emulation. But you had already observed that. I
didn't spot the substitution of non-ASCII whitespace but that's likely
to be another problem.

>>It's most predominant when the line is wrapped and continued
>>on the next line. But it's also visible in the first four
>>characters of the unwrapped lines.

>>This is what I see in Thunderbird. -- I can't rule out a
>>Thunderbird problem.

>Not seeing it here anyway so it's possibly the latter.

>>[Snip]

>>I also question the value of these messages.

>Some people might find them informative.

Thank you for including that comprehensive list of Usenet readers who
find that yads makes an invaluable contribution. That was helpful.

>>I similarly question the value of the Usenet FAQ and the
>>monthly stats articles are far more numerous. Sometimes they
>>are even repeated in the same newsgroup.

>Too often and the stats posts can get annoying, quarterly and
>yearly would suffice. But they don't seem to do any harm... and
>I'm sure there are stat nerds out there that like that sort of
>thing.

No one likes that sort of thing. It's all about yads and his need to
maintain an excessively high poast count in certain newsgroups.

I was top ranked. What does that tell us? I rambled on, got into an
excessively long useless discussion defending NoCeMs. Did readers not
already figure that out without yads?

As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no way to defend
anything he does. Always deyadify.

>>. . .

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote at 10:12 this Tuesday (GMT):
> Grant Taylor wrote:
>
>> On 4/1/24 12:11, The Doctor wrote:
>> > How did I mangle it?
>> Something seems to be eating specific select white space.
>
> FWIW the stats are not mangled on my newsreader. (XanaNews)

Not mangled on mine either (slrn)

>> It's most predominant when the line is wrapped and continued
>> on the next line. But it's also visible in the first four
>> characters of the unwrapped lines.
>>
>> This is what I see in Thunderbird. -- I can't rule out a
>> Thunderbird problem.
>
> Not seeing it here anyway so it's possibly the latter.
>
>> [Snip]
>>
>> I also question the value of these messages.
>
> Some people might find them informative.

I enjoy looking at them, and they're easy to ignore/filter locally if
you don't care.

>> I similarly question the value of the Usenet FAQ and the
>> monthly stats articles are far more numerous. Sometimes they
>> are even repeated in the same newsgroup.
>
> Too often and the stats posts can get annoying, quarterly and
> yearly would suffice. But they don't seem to do any harm... and
> I'm sure there are stat nerds out there that like that sort of
> thing.
>
>> I've considered filtering them at my news server. I just
>> haven't found sufficient round-2-its to do so yet.
>>
>> These articles aren't discussions in and of themselves. Just
>> about every reply I've seen to them has been more of a
>> complaint or discussion about the complaint.
>
> Easily skipped, ignored ... or filtered.

maybe
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Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no way
> to defend anything he does. Always deyadify.

That's why newsreaders have Bozo Bins and filters... ;-)

candycanearter07 wrote:

> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote at 10:12 this Tuesday
> (GMT):
> > Grant Taylor wrote:
> >>
> >> I also question the value of these messages.
> >
> > Some people might find them informative.
>
> I enjoy looking at them, and they're easy to ignore/filter
> locally if you don't care.

Exactly!

I tend to ignore them mostly, but either way I wouldn't call
stat posts abuse of Usenet.

Now that we've lost the GG injected spam life on most newsgroups
is fairly calm and a pleasure to peruse, so it is easy enough to
just ignore the noise.

Hello The Doctor,

Le 01/04/2024 19:11, The Doctor a écrit :
>>
>>> Group : news.admin.net-abuse.usenet
>>> Statistics : from 1/1/2024 to 3/31/2024
>>
>>If you find it necessary to post those statistics, could you do that
>>without mangling them that badly?
>
> How did I mangle it?

The problem is with the format flowed, which makes impossible to send lines
of more than 79 characters as soon as they contain at least one space. See
<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646>.

Of course, the newsreaders that are prepared (and configured to) understand
the format flowed don't see any problem since it is preciseley the purpose
of this format. But for older newsreaders, or for users who deactivate this
format they dislike, the mangling is real : <https://i.goopics.net/vruq6c.png>.

With MesNews, I don't think that you can tell your newsreader to *not* use
the format flowed for sending. But maybe you can do it with tin if you
increase the maximal length of the lines.

Best Regards,
--
Olivier Miakinen

In article <uugebf$1ep1e$1@paganini.bofh.team>,
R Daneel Olivaw <Danny@hyperspace.vogon.gov> wrote:
>Grant Taylor wrote:
>> On 4/1/24 12:11, The Doctor wrote:
>>> How did I mangle it?
>> Something seems to be eating specific select white space.
>>
>> It's most predominant when the line is wrapped and continued on the next
>> line.  But it's also visible in the first four characters of the
>> unwrapped lines.
>>
>> This is what I see in Thunderbird.  --  I can't rule out a Thunderbird
>> problem.
>>
>>
>num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_size____|_or._|_%
>>
>>
>----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>_1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>_2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>_3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
>>
>>
>_4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
>>
>>
>_5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
>>
>>
>_6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
>>
>>
>_7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
>>
>>
>_8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
>>
>>
>_9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
>>
>>
>10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
>>
>>
>11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
>>
>>
>12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
>>
>>
>13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
>>
>>
>14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
>>
>>
>15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
>>
>>
>16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
>>
>>
>17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
>>
>>
>18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x_
>>
>>
>> This is what I see in the source for the same lines of the article.
>>
>> _num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_
>> size____|_or._|_%
>>
>----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>> __1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_
>> 233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
>> __2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_
>> 132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
>> __3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_
>> 161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
>> __4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_
>> 171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
>> __5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_
>> _84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
>> __6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_
>> _50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
>> __7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_
>> _71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
>> __8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_
>> 281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
>> __9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_
>> _57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
>> _10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_
>> _45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
>> _11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_
>> _45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
>> _12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_
>> _48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
>> _13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_
>> _46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
>> _14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_
>> _32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
>> _15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_
>> _67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
>> _16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_
>> 114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
>> _17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_
>> _38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
>> _18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_
>> _23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x
>>
>> Unwrapped source
>>
>> _num|_Name_____________________________________________________|_Nb_Msg_|_
>> size____|_or._|_%
>>
>----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|---------|-----|------------------|
>>
>>
>__1_|_Adam_H._Kerman___________________________________________|_____78_|_233,521_|___0_|_10.17%_xxxxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>__2_|_Eric_M___________________________________________________|_____63_|_132,990_|___0_|__8.21%_xxxxxxxx
>>
>>
>__3_|_llp______________________________________________________|_____59_|_161,222_|___4_|__7.69%_xxxxxxx
>>
>>
>__4_|_Frank_Slootweg___________________________________________|_____53_|_171,705_|___0_|__6.91%_xxxxxx
>>
>>
>__5_|_immibis__________________________________________________|_____40_|_84,571_|___0_|__5.22%_xxxxx
>>
>>
>__6_|_D________________________________________________________|_____30_|_50,274_|___6_|__3.91%_xxx
>>
>>
>__7_|_Adam_W.__________________________________________________|_____29_|_71,553_|___3_|__3.78%_xxx
>>
>>
>__8_|_The_Doctor_______________________________________________|_____28_|_281,830_|___3_|__3.65%_xxx
>>
>>
>__9_|_Ray_Banana_______________________________________________|_____28_|_57,214_|___1_|__3.65%_xxx
>>
>>
>_10_|_Scott_Dorsey_____________________________________________|_____28_|_45,169_|___0_|__3.65%_xxx
>>
>>
>_11_|_Retro_Guy________________________________________________|_____21_|_45,204_|___0_|__2.74%_xx
>>
>>
>_12_|_Olivier_Miakinen_________________________________________|_____20_|_48,903_|___0_|__2.61%_xx
>>
>>
>_13_|_candycanearter07_________________________________________|_____19_|_46,709_|___0_|__2.48%_xx
>>
>>
>_14_|_Marco_Moock______________________________________________|_____18_|_32,564_|___2_|__2.35%_xx
>>
>>
>_15_|_Grant_Taylor_____________________________________________|_____16_|_67,774_|___0_|__2.09%_xx
>>
>>
>_16_|_Tim_Skirvin______________________________________________|_____13_|_114,072_|__13_|__1.69%_x
>>
>>
>_17_|_Sn!pe____________________________________________________|_____12_|_38,919_|___1_|__1.56%_x
>>
>>
>_18_|_noel_____________________________________________________|_____12_|_23,563_|___0_|__1.56%_x
>>
>>
>> I also question the value of these messages.
>>
>> I similarly question the value of the Usenet FAQ and the monthly stats
>> articles are far more numerous.  Sometimes they are even repeated in the
>> same newsgroup.
>>
>> I've considered filtering them at my news server.  I just haven't found
>> sufficient round-2-its to do so /yet/.
>>
>> These articles aren't discussions in and of themselves.  Just about
>> every reply I've seen to them has been more of a complaint or discussion
>> about the complaint.
>>
>>
>>
>
>I'm using Seamonkey (which The Doctor does not recognise) and everything
>looks fine apart from the "Subjects with most answers" table. All the
>entries go over two lines. Big deal. Apart from that, this mail comes
>once every three months so what's the point in filtering it?

In article <xn0ok3lyy9a5vwn009@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>
>> As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no way
>> to defend anything he does. Always deyadify.
>
>That's why newsreaders have Bozo Bins and filters... ;-)

What cake does Adam want?
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Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no way
>>to defend anything he does. Always deyadify.

>That's why newsreaders have Bozo Bins and filters... ;-)

Killfiling in one newsgroup was less effective than I liked. I began to
subscribe to a number of newsgroups from which regulars were
crossposting into the newsgroup I read. I enter those newsgroups simply
to mark everything as read, which includes references to crossposts in
other newsgroups. To deyadify, I mark everything in rec.arts.drwho as
read, so I'm junking your articles too. The main topic of that newsgroup
is discussing yads, and crosspoting in followup to yads.

But yads multiposts the useless statistics so I havent succeeded in
deyadifying everywhere.

Le 02/04/2024 18:06, Olivier Miakinen a écrit :
>
> Of course, the newsreaders that are prepared (and configured to) understand
> the format flowed don't see any problem since it is preciseley the purpose
> of this format.

Actually, it seems that there is also a (lesser) problem that only affects
the newsreaders which accept the format flowed, because apparently your
MesNews did not do the "space-stuffing" :
<https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646#section-4.4>

<cit. (only the first characters of the lines)>
num| Name | Nb Msg |
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|
1 | Adam H. Kerman | 78 |
</cit.>

In format flowed, the space before "num" should have been doubled, and the
two spaces before "1" should have been three. Indeed, this indentation
stays correct for those who don't accept format flowed for reading, but
for the others it will be rendered shifted :

<ex.>
num| Name | Nb Msg |
----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|
1 | Adam H. Kerman | 78 |
</ex.>

--
Olivier Miakinen

Adam H. Kerman wrote:

> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
> > Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
> > > As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no
> > > way to defend anything he does. Always deyadify.
>
> > That's why newsreaders have Bozo Bins and filters... ;-)
>
> Killfiling in one newsgroup was less effective than I liked. I
> began to subscribe to a number of newsgroups from which
> regulars were crossposting into the newsgroup I read. I enter
> those newsgroups simply to mark everything as read, which
> includes references to crossposts in other newsgroups. To

My killfile worked with Tim! Then Google decided to take over
and do the job properly.

> To deyadify, I mark everything in rec.arts.drwho as read, so
> I'm junking your articles too.

I know I might have missed something... but, if you mark
everything as read in a newsgroup without actually reading the
posts, why bother subscribing to that group in the first place?!

> The main topic of that newsgroup is discussing yads,
> and crosspoting in followup to yads.

We're doing Easter today... call back in May when "Season One"
airs!

> But yads multiposts the useless statistics so I havent
> succeeded in deyadifying everywhere.

I say, aim for the top and demand cake !

Blueshirt<blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>>>Adam H. Kerman wrote:

>>>>As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no
>>>>way to defend anything he does. Always deyadify.

>>>That's why newsreaders have Bozo Bins and filters... ;-)

>>Killfiling in one newsgroup was less effective than I liked. I
>>began to subscribe to a number of newsgroups from which
>>regulars were crossposting into the newsgroup I read. I enter
>>those newsgroups simply to mark everything as read, which
>>includes references to crossposts in other newsgroups. To

>My killfile worked with Tim! Then Google decided to take over
>and do the job properly.

Tim was prevented from crossposting by Google Groups; nothing to do with
what I'm talking about.

>>To deyadify, I mark everything in rec.arts.drwho as read, so
>>I'm junking your articles too.

>I know I might have missed something... but, if you mark
>everything as read in a newsgroup without actually reading the
>posts, why bother subscribing to that group in the first place?!

I am taking action against unwanted articles and unwanted entire threads
being crossposted into a newsgroup that I want to read. Crossposting
harms newsgroups. I junk the crossposted articles in a newsgroup that I
don't want to read first, which updates references to the article in
each newsgroup it was crossposted into. Then when I enter the newsgroup
I want to read, there are no more unwanted crossposts. It was more
effective than killfiling.

>>. . .

Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote at 15:56 this Tuesday (GMT):
> candycanearter07 wrote:
>
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote at 10:12 this Tuesday
>> (GMT):
>> > Grant Taylor wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I also question the value of these messages.
>> >
>> > Some people might find them informative.
>>
>> I enjoy looking at them, and they're easy to ignore/filter
>> locally if you don't care.
>
> Exactly!
>
> I tend to ignore them mostly, but either way I wouldn't call
> stat posts abuse of Usenet.
>
> Now that we've lost the GG injected spam life on most newsgroups
> is fairly calm and a pleasure to peruse, so it is easy enough to
> just ignore the noise.

Yeah, and thank goodness for that.
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In article <xn0ok3odu9dd9uq000@reader.xsnews.nl>,
Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>
>> Blueshirt <blueshirt@indigo.news> wrote:
>> > Adam H. Kerman wrote:
>>
>> > > As yads is not going to bake me a cake, there is just no
>> > > way to defend anything he does. Always deyadify.
>>
>> > That's why newsreaders have Bozo Bins and filters... ;-)
>>
>> Killfiling in one newsgroup was less effective than I liked. I
>> began to subscribe to a number of newsgroups from which
>> regulars were crossposting into the newsgroup I read. I enter
>> those newsgroups simply to mark everything as read, which
>> includes references to crossposts in other newsgroups. To
>
>My killfile worked with Tim! Then Google decided to take over
>and do the job properly.
>
>> To deyadify, I mark everything in rec.arts.drwho as read, so
>> I'm junking your articles too.
>
>I know I might have missed something... but, if you mark
>everything as read in a newsgroup without actually reading the
>posts, why bother subscribing to that group in the first place?!
>
>> The main topic of that newsgroup is discussing yads,
>> and crosspoting in followup to yads.
>
>We're doing Easter today... call back in May when "Season One"
>airs!
>
>> But yads multiposts the useless statistics so I havent
>> succeeded in deyadifying everywhere.
>
>I say, aim for the top and demand cake !
>

What cake would you like?
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On 4/2/24 03:07, R Daneel Olivaw wrote:
> Apart from that, this mail comes once every three months so what's the
> point in filtering it?

Seeing 30-60 of them at a time across as many newsgroups quickly gets
annoying.

--
Grant. . . .

On 4/2/24 12:27, Adam H. Kerman wrote:
> I junk the crossposted articles in a newsgroup that I don't want to
> read first, which updates references to the article in each newsgroup
> it was crossposted into. Then when I enter the newsgroup I want to
> read, there are no more unwanted crossposts. It was more effective
> than killfiling.

I think you're relying on a feature that inferior news client's don't
have. That being when you mark a messages that is cross posted to
multiple groups as read in one group, it is also marked as read in the
other newsgroups that it's cross posted to.

--
Grant. . . .

On 4/2/24 11:06, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
> The problem is with the format flowed, which makes impossible to send
> lines of more than 79 characters as soon as they contain at least
> one space. See <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646>.

It may be related to format flowed. But I don't believe that format
flowed prevents lines of more than 79 characters.... There are
conventions about what character count on the line to do the format
flowed split. But a convention is a convention and can be changed.
I've done format flowed at 25 characters and I've done format flowed at
256 characters.

The logical line is as long as the window will support if there is
enough source data to fill the line.

The physical line is at or below the character count as long as there is
a space character to break / wrap the line.

> Of course, the newsreaders that are prepared (and configured to)
> understand the format flowed don't see any problem

Um, flag on the post. I'm using format flowed and I do see the problem.

Perhaps your algorithm is correct but the input and output is reversed?

> since it is preciseley the purpose of this format. But for older
> newsreaders, or for users who deactivate this format they dislike,
> the mangling is real : <https://i.goopics.net/vruq6c.png>.

That is much more severe mangling than I see.

The errors that I'm seeing aren't at the wrap point for format flowed
either. What I'm seeing is most evident between the 4th & 5th and the
5th & 6th columns. What should probably be a straight line of pipe
characters isn't. This is in both the format flow unwrapped logical
line from multiple physical lines and the physical lines in the message
source.

--
Grant. . . .

On 4/2/24 11:52, Olivier Miakinen wrote:
> Actually, it seems that there is also a (lesser) problem that only affects
> the newsreaders which accept the format flowed, because apparently your
> MesNews did not do the "space-stuffing" :
> <https://www.rfc-editor.org/rfc/rfc2646#section-4.4>
>
> <cit. (only the first characters of the lines)>
> num| Name | Nb Msg |
> ----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|
> 1 | Adam H. Kerman | 78 |
> </cit.>

This more aptly describes what I'm seeing.

My news reader does format flowed.

> In format flowed, the space before "num" should have been doubled, and the
> two spaces before "1" should have been three. Indeed, this indentation
> stays correct for those who don't accept format flowed for reading, but
> for the others it will be rendered shifted :
>
> <ex.>
> num| Name | Nb Msg |
> ----|----------------------------------------------------------|--------|
> 1 | Adam H. Kerman | 78 |
> </ex.>

I want to agree, but I think what you say is contrary to section 4.4 of
RFC 2646 which you linked to.

> Space-stuffing adds a single space to the start of any line which
> needs protection when the message is generated.

Okay.

> On reception, if the first character of a line is a space, it is
> logically deleted.

Okay.

> This occurs after the test for a quoted line, and before the test
> for a flowed line.

Hum. So the logical deletion "occurs after the test for a quoted line".

But the lines in The Doctor's original message aren't quoted. Maybe
it's a difference in what "a quoted line" is.

Section 4.5 of RFC 2464 defines quoting as "one or more close angle
brackets (">").

Aside: I'm used to seeing the space after the close angle bracket, but
maybe that's just convention and not a technical requirement.

--
Grant. . . .