When I (reluctantly) upgraded to Windows 11, I was rather ruthless in
disabling and pruning any built-in services that Microsoft might use
to shove adverts for its services in my face. So I've been happily
advert free (at least on the OS level) for the past five months: no
apps secretly added to my start menu, no pleas to use Outlook or
OneDrive, no 'suggestions' pointing to Microsoft partners. Just
file-management and program launching and all the stuff an OS /should/
do.

Until today, when a 'helpful' advert for 'XBox Wireless Controllers'
snuck into the Windows11 notification bar.

Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.

Now I have to recheck all my settings to see which one was changed by
some spurious non-deniable 'update'. Because that was something I
wanted to do today.

Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.

On 9/8/23 08:13, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>
> Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
> want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
> TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
> place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
> and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
> see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.
>
> Now I have to recheck all my settings to see which one was changed by
> some spurious non-deniable 'update'. Because that was something I
> wanted to do today.
>
>
> Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.
>
>
>
>

I always kinda suspected that MS would ignore your settings, but
actually having it confirmed is worrying. The days of a plain Windows
install is over..

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On 9/8/2023 6:19 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> On 9/8/23 08:13, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>
>> Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
>> want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
>> TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
>> place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
>> and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
>> see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.
>>
>> Now I have to recheck all my settings to see which one was changed by
>> some spurious non-deniable 'update'. Because that was something I
>> wanted to do today.
>>
>>
>> Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> I always kinda suspected that MS would ignore your settings, but
> actually having it confirmed is worrying. The days of a plain Windows
> install is over..
>
They have been over for a _long_ time.

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Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
> On 9/8/2023 6:19 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
> > On 9/8/23 08:13, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
> >>
> >> Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
> >> want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
> >> TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
> >> place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
> >> and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
> >> see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.
> >>
> >> Now I have to recheck all my settings to see which one was changed by
> >> some spurious non-deniable 'update'. Because that was something I
> >> wanted to do today.
> >>
> >>
> >> Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I always kinda suspected that MS would ignore your settings, but
> > actually having it confirmed is worrying. The days of a plain Windows
> > install is over..
> >
> They have been over for a _long_ time.

You can go to Linux. ;)
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On 9/8/2023 12:25 PM, Ant wrote:
> Dimensional Traveler <dtravel@sonic.net> wrote:
>> On 9/8/2023 6:19 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>>> On 9/8/23 08:13, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
>>>> want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
>>>> TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
>>>> place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
>>>> and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
>>>> see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.
>>>>
>>>> Now I have to recheck all my settings to see which one was changed by
>>>> some spurious non-deniable 'update'. Because that was something I
>>>> wanted to do today.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> I always kinda suspected that MS would ignore your settings, but
>>> actually having it confirmed is worrying. The days of a plain Windows
>>> install is over..
>>>
>> They have been over for a _long_ time.
>
> You can go to Linux. ;)

Actually _I_ can't.

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On 9/8/23 14:25, Ant wrote:
> You can go to Linux. ;)

I did.

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candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
> On 9/8/23 14:25, Ant wrote:
> > You can go to Linux. ;)

> I did.

Are you able to play all the modern Windows games you wanted to play?
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On 9/8/23 20:48, Ant wrote:
> candycanearter07 <no@thanks.net> wrote:
>> On 9/8/23 14:25, Ant wrote:
>>> You can go to Linux. ;)
>
>> I did.
>
> Are you able to play all the modern Windows games you wanted to play?

I didn't play that many modern games when I had a Windows machine, so ig?

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On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 08:42:36 -0700, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
Dimensional Traveler wrote:

>On 9/8/2023 6:19 AM, candycanearter07 wrote:
>> On 9/8/23 08:13, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:
>>
>> I always kinda suspected that MS would ignore your settings, but
>> actually having it confirmed is worrying. The days of a plain Windows
>> install is over..
>>
>They have been over for a _long_ time.

I actually read somewhere that MS wants to add background removal to
Paint. As in, remove the background from a photograph and keep the
subject.

Who the hell wants that from Paint? Their users got them to kill Paint 3D
and keep Paint around, and now they want to make Paint into "not Paint."

It's like they don't listen to their users at all! /s

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On 9/8/23 22:15, Zaghadka wrote:
> I actually read somewhere that MS wants to add background removal to
> Paint. As in, remove the background from a photograph and keep the
> subject.
>
> Who the hell wants that from Paint? Their users got them to kill Paint 3D
> and keep Paint around, and now they want to make Paint into "not Paint."
>
> It's like they don't listen to their users at all! /s
>

Literally just use gimp. How are you so computer illiterate you don't
understand that built in apps are supposed to be simple??

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On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 09:13:23 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson
<spallshurgenson@gmail.com> wrote:

Some comments:

a) Apologetic Comment: This post was supposed to go into
c.s.i.p.g.action.
I apologize to all the regulars in c.s.i.p.g.rpg ;-)

b) Surprised Comment: It was quite unexpected to so many people are
active here (even if many of them are the same faces I see in
c.s.i.p.g.action anyway ;-)

c) Observation Comment: I apparently hit a chord with my little rant

d) Explanatory Comment: Nothing about this situation is new or
unexpected to me... it's not like I didn't realize until now MS/Win11
was shitty. Ignoring the end-users whims has been part and parcel of
MS policy for years and I knew it was just a matter of time before it
would happen. But nonetheless, whenever it does happen, even though I
fully expect it, I still get aggravated. Hence the rant.

e) Newsgroup-Appropriate Comment: say, have you heard Bethesda
released a new RPG called "Starfield"?

f) Purposefully Trolling Comment: I hear it's better than "Baldur's
Gate 3" in every way;-)

On Fri, 8 Sep 2023 22:34:13 -0500, in comp.sys.ibm.pc.games.rpg,
candycanearter07 wrote:

>On 9/8/23 22:15, Zaghadka wrote:
>> I actually read somewhere that MS wants to add background removal to
>> Paint. As in, remove the background from a photograph and keep the
>> subject.
>>
>> Who the hell wants that from Paint? Their users got them to kill Paint 3D
>> and keep Paint around, and now they want to make Paint into "not Paint."
>>
>> It's like they don't listen to their users at all! /s
>>
>
>Literally just use gimp. How are you so computer illiterate you don't
>understand that built in apps are supposed to be simple??
>

Yup. I don't get it either. Paint is not going to become some killer
photo editor app.

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On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 09:13:23 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

<snipping>
> Now I have to recheck all my settings to see which one was changed by
> some spurious non-deniable 'update'. Because that was something I wanted
> to do today.
>
> Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.

There have been various de-bloating type apps out there. I found this one
very effective, helpful, and non-harmful:

https://github.com/builtbybel/BloatyNosy

It aids greatly in removing bloatware, disabling adware, and tweaking
privacy settings.

I doubt it's completely perfect, but it did better than I could do myself
in a short amount of time. I was used to trolling through all the settings
and other things revealed by SysInternals (now also more doubtful) to
achieve similar effects.

Two disclaimers:
1. Read the docs.
2. YMMV

Hope it's helpful!

Lafe

On Mon, 11 Sep 2023 03:32:56 -0000 (UTC), Lafe <lafe@lafes.invalid>
wrote:
>On Fri, 08 Sep 2023 09:13:23 -0400, Spalls Hurgenson wrote:

>> Windows 11: Because Microsoft hates their customers.
>
>There have been various de-bloating type apps out there. I found this one
>very effective, helpful, and non-harmful:
>https://github.com/builtbybel/BloatyNosy

>It aids greatly in removing bloatware, disabling adware, and tweaking
>privacy settings.

Thank you. However, as noted, I had already done that. My rant had
more to do with the fact that any such changes are temporary, because
Microsoft will re-implement any changes at their whim.

Which, again, isn't surprising. I knew that going into Windows 11 (and
Windows 10). But it's still annoying when it actually happens. ;-)

I can't speak directly to the BloatNosy tool above, but there are a
number of similar apps available, and I can't imagine using Windows11
without them. (Hell, I can barely tolerate Windows 11 /with/ them). So
thank you for the informational link, even if I've no use for it
myself ;-)

Am 08.09.23 um 15:13 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
> Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
> want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
> TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
> place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
> and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
> see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.
One of the reasons why I love my steam deck, no unwanted popups for
something I am not interested in, period!

On 9/20/23 05:26, Werner P. wrote:
> Am 08.09.23 um 15:13 schrieb Spalls Hurgenson:
>> Fuck you, Microsoft. Marketing is inherently deceitful and I didn't
>> want any of it coming from my operating system; you need to be able to
>> TRUST the OS, and advertising works against that goal. You want to
>> place adverts, stick them on something you control (like your website)
>> and not on my fucking OS. And don't fucking override my choices NOT to
>> see the adverts just to shill your newest toy.
> One of the reasons why I love my steam deck, no unwanted popups for
> something I am not interested in, period!
>

Not even the Steam news thing?
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