On 1/8/2023, nospam wrote:

>>> Not surprised that you don't get it.
>>
>> The EU does. Here, even Apple has to switch to USB-C, want it or not,
>> because of waste.
>
> it will actually create more waste because people will have to buy new
> cables to replace their perfectly functional existing cables.

Whose fault is that?

On 2023-08-01 10:30, Falafel Balls wrote:
> On 1/8/2023, nospam wrote:
>
>>>> Not surprised that you don't get it.
>>>
>>> The EU does. Here, even Apple has to switch to USB-C, want it or not,
>>> because of waste.
>>
>> it will actually create more waste because people will have to buy new
>> cables to replace their perfectly functional existing cables.
>
> Whose fault is that?

European Union. They should leave markets alone where such is
concerned. They have a very poor understanding of unintended consequences.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

Am 01.08.23 um 16:59 schrieb Alan Browne:
> On 2023-08-01 10:30, Falafel Balls wrote:
>> On 1/8/2023, nospam wrote:
>>
>>>>> Not surprised that you don't get it.
>>>>
>>>> The EU does. Here, even Apple has to switch to USB-C, want it or not,
>>>> because of waste.
>>>
>>> it will actually create more waste because people will have to buy new
>>> cables to replace their perfectly functional existing cables.
>>
>> Whose fault is that?
>
> European Union. They should leave markets alone where such is
> concerned. They have a very poor understanding of unintended consequences.

Does it hurt, idiot?

--
Manus manum lavat

On 2023-08-02 05:52, Jörg Lorenz wrote:
> Am 01.08.23 um 16:59 schrieb Alan Browne:

>> European Union. They should leave markets alone where such is
>> concerned. They have a very poor understanding of unintended consequences.
>
> Does it hurt, Master?

Me personally, not at all. But, as you will see over the next 5 years,
the EU's meddling in markets will cause a pulse of e-waste that
otherwise would not have happened.

Further, as it happens, my SO recently got a MacBook Air (USB-C) and
will be getting a new iPhone this year (USB-C). I will likely be
getting a new Mac this fall (USB-C all over), so nothing about this will
hurt me.

My iPhone, 2 iPads and a couple other things, will remain Lightning for
the next few years, however. But, plenty of cables.

Still does not make EU market meddling correct, right or just. That is
a EU government overlord to slave mind thing that you accept blindly.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

On 2023-08-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
> But, as you will see over the next 5 years,
> the EU's meddling in markets will cause a pulse of e-waste that
> otherwise would not have happened.

While you always take the position of the big corporations, the EU is
trying to take the position of the common consumer instead of big money.

Those two positions are diametrically opposed in almost every situation.

While you will never stand up for the consumer, someone should. But who?
If the EU doesn't stand up for the consumer, you won't so who else will?

On 2023-08-02 10:29, Incubus wrote:
> On 2023-08-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>  But, as you will see over the next 5 years, the EU's meddling in
>> markets will cause a pulse of e-waste that otherwise would not have
>> happened.
>
> While you always take the position of the big corporations, the EU is
> trying to take the position of the common consumer instead of big money.

Money wise this changes pretty much nothing.

> Those two positions are diametrically opposed in almost every situation.
>
> While you will never stand up for the consumer, someone should. But who?
> If the EU doesn't stand up for the consumer, you won't so who else will?

I'm all for consumer rights. I'm not for stupid laws.

There is a difference, and forcing USB-C falls into the latter.

--
“If you torture the data long enough, it will confess to anything."
-Ronald Coase

On 2023-08-02 07:29, Incubus wrote:
> On 2023-08-02, Alan Browne <bitbucket@blackhole.com> wrote:
>>  But, as you will see over the next 5 years, the EU's meddling in
>> markets will cause a pulse of e-waste that otherwise would not have
>> happened.
>
> While you always take the position of the big corporations, the EU is
> trying to take the position of the common consumer instead of big money.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

Politicians?

Interested in the "common" people?

Oh, you are naive.

>
> Those two positions are diametrically opposed in almost every situation.

Businesses succeed by giving people what they want.

>
> While you will never stand up for the consumer, someone should. But who?
> If the EU doesn't stand up for the consumer, you won't so who else will?

How is this helping the average smartphone consumer?

What benefit will actually accrue to him/her?