[Late response due to extended absence.]

Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
servers/accounts. If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.

As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>[Late response due to extended absence.]
>
>Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>
> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>servers/accounts.

I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can

Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
it was Windows 98.

>If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.

I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
servers that still carry any?

> As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
>server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
>down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
>no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

Ken Blake wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>
>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
>> news servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.
>
>
>> If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>> some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?
>

I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.
--
<Bill>

Brought to you from Anchorage, Alaska

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >
> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >
> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.

It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)

> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
just look on 'your' server!? :-)

> > As Char Jackson said "Newsgroups don't disappear until the last Usenet
> >server on the planet stops carrying them", so that Microsoft shut them
> >down - over a decade ago - didn't make them disappear and that E-S does
> >no longer carry them, will not make them disappear either.

Bill Bradshaw wrote:

> I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.

But how many are getting new messages?

If anyone can recommend a good group for MSMQ I'd welcome it.

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 08:41:26 -0800, "Bill Bradshaw" <bradshaw@gci.net>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>
>>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>
>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple
>>> news servers/accounts.
>>
>>
>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> it was Windows 98.
>>
>>
>>> If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>>> some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>>
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>>
>
>I see all kinds of the microsoft.public.??? on news.individual.net.

So do I. I must have mistyped Microsoft when I did a search on it
before posting. Sorry, and thanks.

On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
>> >
>> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>> >
>> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> >servers/accounts.
>>
>>
>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> it was Windows 98.
>
> It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)

New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.

>
>> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
>> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>
> Several such servers were mentioned in this (long) thread, but why not
>just look on 'your' server!? :-)

I did and didn't find any. See the other message I sent moments ago.

On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:

>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

Yes.

See, new traffic.

https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general

But you can't get headers there. (It might require logging in
and the function might still be disabled for all I know.)

What read-only servers can a person consult ?

Well, there is a server, which closed to posting after
the mid-year 2022 posting flood. I've been using it for
testing of slrn in Win11 bash shell (because it has a
legacy OVERVIEW.FMT message).

export NNTPSERVER=news.netfront.net

slrn --create # populate ~/.jnewsrc with groups

Connecting to host news.netfront.net ... # port 119

grep ^microsoft .jnewsrc | wc -l # count the groups, returns "1772"

grep windowsxp .jnewsrc # returns "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general"
# and a bunch more.

By adding that server to your Thunderbird or similar NNTP
client, you can do header analysis, and see where we're posting from.

See, easy :-)

This is what SLRN looks like in bash shell on Windows 11.

[Picture]

https://i.postimg.cc/nrNw1Yf1/some-kinda-hobby2.gif

The beauty of the Internet, is none of it is reliable.
In the tap water sense. Enjoy whatcha got, while it lasts.
We've waited around a month or six weeks, for that
server to come back to operation.

Paul

On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
wrote:

>On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
>>
>> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
>> servers that still carry any?
>
>Yes.

Thanks.

>See, new traffic.
>
>https://groups.google.com/g/microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
>
>But you can't get headers there. (It might require logging in
>and the function might still be disabled for all I know.)
>
>What read-only servers can a person consult ?
>
>Well, there is a server, which closed to posting after
>the mid-year 2022 posting flood. I've been using it for
>testing of slrn in Win11 bash shell (because it has a
>legacy OVERVIEW.FMT message).
>
> export NNTPSERVER=news.netfront.net
>
> slrn --create # populate ~/.jnewsrc with groups
>
> Connecting to host news.netfront.net ... # port 119
>
> grep ^microsoft .jnewsrc | wc -l # count the groups, returns "1772"
>
> grep windowsxp .jnewsrc # returns "microsoft.public.windowsxp.general"
> # and a bunch more.
>
>By adding that server to your Thunderbird or similar NNTP
>client, you can do header analysis, and see where we're posting from.
>
>See, easy :-)
>
>This is what SLRN looks like in bash shell on Windows 11.
>
> [Picture]
>
> https://i.postimg.cc/nrNw1Yf1/some-kinda-hobby2.gif
>
>The beauty of the Internet, is none of it is reliable.
>In the tap water sense. Enjoy whatcha got, while it lasts.
>We've waited around a month or six weeks, for that
>server to come back to operation.
>
> Paul

Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >> >
> >> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >> >
> >> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >> >servers/accounts.
> >>
> >> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
> >>
> >> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> >> it was Windows 98.
> >
> > It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
> >uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>
> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.

Not you, Mayayana. Why does he have a new nym?

[...]

In article <o67h1il1qbe8v3dm7p4brnni60hg7gi234@4ax.com>,
Ken@invalid.news.com says...
>
> On Mon, 20 Mar 2023 13:22:56 -0400, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >On 3/20/2023 11:48 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
> >
> >>
> >> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> >> servers that still carry any?
> >
> >Yes.
>
> Thanks.
>
>
Paganini
--
Jim the Geordie

On 20 Mar 2023 18:07:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> >> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
>> >> >
>> >> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>> >> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>> >> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>> >> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>> >> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>> >> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>> >> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> >> >servers/accounts.
>> >>
>> >> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>> >>
>> >> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>> >> it was Windows 98.
>> >
>> > It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>> >uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>>
>> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
>
> Not you, Mayayana.

Sorry, I misunderstood.

> Why does he have a new nym?

Beats me.

On 20/03/2023 19:47, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> Beats me.
Why does it beat you? You have told us before that "Just in case there's
anyone here who doesn't know this, nymshifting is
a certain mark of someone's being a troll. Trolls nymshift to try to
escape from killfiles. But nymshifting is useless."

Are you saying this view has now changed? Please clarify as we rely on
you to give us sound opinions!

On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>
>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>
>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>> servers/accounts.
>
>
> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can

No, Thunderbird can not.

You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.

In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 3/20/2023 2:07 PM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 20 Mar 2023 16:49:10 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>>>
>>>>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>>>>> servers/accounts.
>>>>
>>>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>>>
>>>> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
>>>> it was Windows 98.
>>>
>>> It's also available on Windows XP, which is what Newyana2 (mainly)
>>> uses. (BTW, why the new nym?)
>>
>> New nym? I've always been Ken Blake.
>
> Not you, Mayayana. Why does he have a new nym?
>
> [...]
>

When you have two computers, a WinXP one and a Win10 one,
there is a good chance the News Agent is set up differently.

When I copied my profile folder from WinXP to a later OS,
that tends to keep your identifiers the same. But not
all tools make the profile an obvious thing to copy. Like if you
were using Forte Agent, where are your "details" stored ? Dunno.

Paul

Am 20.03.2023 um 08:48:05 Uhr schrieb Ken Blake:

> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >[Late response due to extended absence.]
> >
> >Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.

MS discontinued them and switched off the nntp server at MS - other
servers still carried it.

> Is he running Outlook Express? The last version of Windows to include
> it was Windows 98.

It was XP.
> >If so, you can get the microsoft.public.* groups from
> >some other server(s) and the rest of your groups from E-S.
>
>
> I haven't seen a Microsoft newsgroup in years. Do you know any news
> servers that still carry any?

news.solani.org has them, registration is free.

Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
> > On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> [Late response due to extended absence.]
> >>
> >> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> >>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
> >>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
> >>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
> >>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
> >>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
> >>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
> >>
> >> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
> >> servers/accounts.
> >
> >
> > I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>
> No, Thunderbird can not.
>
> You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
> you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.

But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
news.)

> In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
> multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.

I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
newsreader (tin).

On 2023-03-21 14:33, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Carlos E.R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>> On 2023-03-20 16:48, Ken Blake wrote:
>>> On 20 Mar 2023 15:18:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> [Late response due to extended absence.]
>>>>
>>>> Newyana2 <Newyana2@invalid.nospam> wrote:
>>>>> Suddenly neither E-S nor AIOE can find the MS newsgroups.
>>>>> I visit microsoft.* regular for VB, vbscript, and the most active
>>>>> XP group. Does anyone know the story here? Have they been
>>>>> discontinued? Threats from Microsoft or some such? Historicallt
>>>>> the MS groups have been among the best because they had
>>>>> a long history of use by MVPs and Windows professionals.
>>>>
>>>> I'm not sure, but I think that Outlook Express can have multiple news
>>>> servers/accounts.
>>>
>>>
>>> I think so too. In fact I think all (almost all?) newsreaders can
>>
>> No, Thunderbird can not.
>>
>> You can define several accounts and each can have one server only. So
>> you can not have one "usenet" account will all groups.
>
> But can't you have a 'global inbox' like you can for e-mail, so that
> all your articles from multiple servers are in one 'view'? (I use a
> global inbox for e-mail in Thunderbird, but do not use thunderbird for
> news.)

No, I do not see a global something for news. Each server aka account
gets a separate entry on the left panel, with all the subscribed group
on that server.

>> In my case I can, because I use a local proxy server, which can talk to
>> multiple servers, while presenting a single unified server to Thunderbird.
>
> I also use a local proxy server (Hamster), but with a different
> newsreader (tin).

--
Cheers, Carlos.