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Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
> https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/08/13/1822230/judge-finally-clears-way-for-apples-500-million-iphone-throttling-settlement

Not needed and no wants it.

On 8/13/2023 7:12 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> Ant <ant@zimage.comANT> wrote:
>> https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/08/13/1822230/judge-finally-clears-way-for-apples-500-million-iphone-throttling-settlement
>
> Not needed and no wants it.
>

You forgot the /s.

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On 8/14/2023 8:27 PM, sms wrote:
>>> https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/08/13/1822230/judge-finally-clears-way-for-apples-500-million-iphone-throttling-settlement
>>
>> Not needed and no wants it.
>>
>
> You forgot the /s.

But Apple said it wasn't their fault - it was the fault of the batteries.

Therefore, it seems so unfair that Apple has to pay billions of dollars to
settle legal claims brought by scores of states and countries simply
because, as Apple explained in their unattributed unsigned public letter of
explanation, the secret throttling was simply a common normal natural
result of typical batteries doing what all those batteries typically do.

But, get this, this natural degradation requiring secret throttling only
happened with certain iPhones & even then, only with certain iOS versions.

Only Jolly Roger, nospam and Alan Browne believed what Apple incredulously
claimed (which pretty much tells us all about their cognitive abilities).

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On 2023-08-19 11:41, Neil wrote:
> On 8/14/2023 8:27 PM, sms wrote:
>>>> https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/08/13/1822230/judge-finally-clears-way-for-apples-500-million-iphone-throttling-settlement
>>>
>>> Not needed and no wants it.
>>>
>>
>> You forgot the /s.
>
> But Apple said it wasn't their fault - it was the fault of the batteries.

Let's see the quotes...

....Arlen.

>
> Therefore, it seems so unfair that Apple has to pay billions of dollars to
> settle legal claims brought by scores of states and countries simply
> because, as Apple explained in their unattributed unsigned public letter of
> explanation, the secret throttling was simply a common normal natural
> result of typical batteries doing what all those batteries typically do.

Cites, please!

>
> But, get this, this natural degradation requiring secret throttling only
> happened with certain iPhones & even then, only with certain iOS versions.
>
> Only Jolly Roger, nospam and Alan Browne believed what Apple incredulously
> claimed (which pretty much tells us all about their cognitive abilities).

Only a few are ignorant of the fact that "Neil" is just the latest sock
for the poster I first knew as "Arlen".

Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-19 11:41, Neil wrote:
>> On 8/14/2023 8:27 PM, sms wrote:
>>>>> https://mobile.slashdot.org/story/23/08/13/1822230/judge-finally-clears-way-for-apples-500-million-iphone-throttling-settlement
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Not needed and no wants it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You forgot the /s.
>>
>> But Apple said it wasn't their fault - it was the fault of
>> the batteries.
>
Exactly, nuh-uh. Apple, like all huge companies start
shitting on their customers to extract more money. It is one of
the Ferengi rules of acquisition. They are in good company.
Disney. Oil companies, Amazon, walmart .... there are too many
to list.

They all do this. at Some point, they realize that the money
will still get through the stream of shit they blast onto the
customers.

A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19. Probably $2 or less
to produce, but, baby, it is genuine, authentic apple shit.

In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.

more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.

nospam wrote:
> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>
> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>

Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked
a couple years ago, they were $19. I bought an aftermarket on
ebay for a few dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just
fine so far.

On 2023-08-20, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>
>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>
> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price?

Apple isn't the only company selling Lightning cables.

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On 2023-08-20 11:10, Hank Rogers wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>
>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>>
>
> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked a couple
> years ago, they were $19. I bought an aftermarket on ebay for a few
> dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just fine so far.

Get off this, man.

It's just sad.

On 2023-08-20 11:28, Jolly Roger wrote:
> On 2023-08-20, Hank Rogers <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
>>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>>
>>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>>
>> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price?
>
> Apple isn't the only company selling Lightning cables.
>

Nor are they the only company to charge more for things that one can
easily get elsewhere.

On 8/20/2023 6:32 PM, nospam wrote:
>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>
> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.

To the original topic of batterygate, had Apple done what any decent
company should have done, they would have come clean from the start.

Instead of writing a public unsigned unattributed letter (of course, only
after having gotten caught red handed) claiming only Apple batteries had
"natural" chemistry that degraded "naturally" to the point that only
certain iPhones with certain versions of iOS (naturally) secretly needed to
be throttled without telling anyone (and backdating the release notes with
a single cryptic line, for which they paid another 36 million in penalties
alone for that one line of quickly backdated "release information" -
probably forced upon Apple by their own lawyers who could see the billions
of dollars at stake for Apple's heinous obvious anti-consumer attitudes.

Nobody believed what Apple claimed - hence the scores of lawsuits.
Only nospam, Jolly Roger and Alan Browne believed what Apple claimed.

Which says everything you need to know about their cognitive abilities.

For nospam, he quickly blamed Samsung for making Apple do what Apple did.
For Jolly Roger, he viciously attacked anyone who mentioned what Apple did.
For Alan Browne, shockingly, he actually believed every word Apple said.

The real business question, to be debated in future MBA classes, is what
would it have cost Apple had Apple simply done the decent thing at the
start?

a. Apple initiates a voluntary recall
b. Apple replaces all the affected batteries
c. And since it was the overall design, Apple replaces them twice
(if they phone is still in service after about two years in between)

What would it have cost had Apple done what any decent company should have
done?
--
regards,
Neil

On 8/20/2023 2:10 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked
> a couple years ago, they were $19. I bought an aftermarket on
> ebay for a few dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just
> fine so far.

I try not to shop in an Apple store but the cables there were supple,
pliant, lovely to hold, but always too short and broke within a year.

Expensive too.

I generally buy my phone cables at six and ten foot lengths for a few bucks
with the braided cables seeming to hold up best - at multiple years of use.

As for the original subject of Apple's batterygate financial costs,
only nospam, Jolly Roger and Alan Browne believed what Apple claimed.

Which says everything you need to know about their cognitive abilities.

For nospam, he quickly blamed Samsung for making Apple do what Apple did.
For Jolly Roger, he viciously attacked anyone who mentioned what Apple did.
For Alan Browne, shockingly, he actually believed every word Apple said.

The real business question, to be debated in future MBA classes, is what
would it have cost Apple had Apple simply done the decent thing at the
start?

All they had to do was initiate a recall to replace the affected batteries
for two phone cycles and that would have been the end of the story.

Instead of Apple proving their heinously anti-consumer strategy of secretly
lowering the life of the iPhone, they would have been lauded as a company
that stands by its mistakes in favor of the injured customer.

But being honest and upfront was too much for Apple.
Apple tried to secretly get away with it.

And when Apple was caught, they wrote that unsigned unattributed "apology"
saying all companies have to secretly throttle phones in a year of use.

What would it have cost had Apple simply done the decent thing at first
(instead of waiting to be sued for what must amount to billions in costs)?
--
regards,
Neil

On 2023-08-20 14:41, Neil wrote:
> On 8/20/2023 6:32 PM, nospam wrote:
>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>
>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>
> To the original topic of batterygate, had Apple done what any decent
> company should have done, they would have come clean from the start.

Why should we pay attention to what someone who won't come clean about
his own identity has to say on the subject of coming clean...

....Arlen?

On 2023-08-20 14:50, Neil wrote:
> On 8/20/2023 2:10 PM, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked a
>> couple years ago, they were $19. I bought an aftermarket on ebay for a
>> few dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just fine so far.
>
> I try not to...

....let people decide to killfile you...

....Arlen?

In article <PGsEM.195784$ens9.60682@fx45.iad>, Hank Rogers
<hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:

> > In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
> > <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
> >> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
> >
> > more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
> >
>
> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked
> a couple years ago, they were $19.

apple isn't the only company that makes lightning cables (or hardware
that uses lightning ports for that matter).

> I bought an aftermarket on
> ebay for a few dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just
> fine so far.

so you agree that they're available for less than $19.

Alan wrote:
> On 2023-08-20 11:10, Hank Rogers wrote:
>> nospam wrote:
>>> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
>>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>
>>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>>
>>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>>>
>>
>> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I
>> checked a couple years ago, they were $19. I bought an
>> aftermarket on ebay for a few dollars. Seems well made, and
>> holding up just fine so far.
>
> Get off this, man.
>
> It's just sad.
>

Nuh-uh.

nospam wrote:
> In article <PGsEM.195784$ens9.60682@fx45.iad>, Hank Rogers
> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
>>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>>
>>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>>>
>>
>> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked
>> a couple years ago, they were $19.
>
> apple isn't the only company that makes lightning cables (or hardware
> that uses lightning ports for that matter).
>
>> I bought an aftermarket on
>> ebay for a few dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just
>> fine so far.
>
> so you agree that they're available for less than $19.
>

No, not from apple.

Genuine apple brand were $19. This is what the bastards charged
for short cables, probably more for longer ones.

On 2023-08-20 17:59, Hank Rogers wrote:
> nospam wrote:
>> In article <PGsEM.195784$ens9.60682@fx45.iad>, Hank Rogers
>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>
>>>> In article <yWcEM.803663$GMN3.112099@fx16.iad>, Hank Rogers
>>>> <hank@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>>>>> A cheaply made lightning cable costs $19.
>>>>
>>>> more like $5. decent ones can be had for $10-15.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Did apple recently drop their outrageous price? When I checked
>>> a couple years ago, they were $19.
>>
>> apple isn't the only company that makes lightning cables (or hardware
>> that uses lightning ports for that matter).
>>
>>> I bought an aftermarket on
>>> ebay for a few dollars. Seems well made, and holding up just
>>> fine so far.
>>
>> so you agree that they're available for less than $19.
>>
>
> No, not from apple.
>
> Genuine apple brand were $19. This is what the bastards charged for
> short cables, probably more for longer ones.
>
>

Buying such accessories from a manufacturer's site...

....is going to be largely the same.