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Subject	Author
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	magnusfalkirk
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	Polymorph
CiderPress II Update	Brian Patrie
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	Oliver Schmidt
CiderPress II Update	Mike Spangler
CiderPress II Update	Mike Spangler
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	Bill Chatfield
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	Bill Chatfield
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	fadden
CiderPress II Update	Oliver Schmidt

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CiderPress II Update

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by: fadden - Wed, 12 Jul 2023 20:22 UTC

I've published CiderPress II v0.2, which introduces a usable implementation of the Windows GUI interface. Now working: add, extract, view, delete, create directory, edit attributes, edit blocks/sectors. File viewer export and defaults-setting features now work.

There are still lots of core features missing, including most of the file viewer converters, but it's possible to get a feel for the new UI.

I put together a short (5 minute) demo of some key differences between the new GUI and the original CiderPress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEHP6Bo8GI

No real changes to the command-line interface, though a few changes were made behind the scenes.

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by: magnusfalkirk - Thu, 13 Jul 2023 15:29 UTC

On Wednesday, July 12, 2023 at 3:22:06 PM UTC-5, fadden wrote:
> I've published CiderPress II v0.2, which introduces a usable implementation of the Windows GUI interface. Now working: add, extract, view, delete, create directory, edit attributes, edit blocks/sectors. File viewer export and defaults-setting features now work.
>
> There are still lots of core features missing, including most of the file viewer converters, but it's possible to get a feel for the new UI.
>
> I put together a short (5 minute) demo of some key differences between the new GUI and the original CiderPress: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esEHP6Bo8GI
>
> No real changes to the command-line interface, though a few changes were made behind the scenes.

Cool, looking forward the the final version

magnus

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by: fadden - Thu, 31 Aug 2023 18:43 UTC

CiderPress II v0.3 is now available. Most of the effort was focused on disk images and filesystems. A five-minute demo of the GUI is available at https://youtu.be/5tE07owhcCc .

Summary of changes:

- Added commands: create disk image, create file archive.
- Added actions: test files, scan disk, save as disk, replace partition with disk image,
import, export, defragment.
- Added disk image formats: Trackstar, DiskCopy 4.2.
- Added multi-partition disk formats: MicroDrive, FocusDrive.
- Added filesystems: CP/M, Pascal, Gutenberg (read-only), MFS (read-only), RDOS (read-only).
- Added file archive format: MacBinary (read-only).
- Added access to removable media (with Admin privilege escalation).
- Added import/export conversion options editor.
- Added metadata editing.
- Updated sector editor.
- Various GUI improvements.

Documentation for the new items has been added to https://ciderpress2.com/doc-index.html .

Most of these were handled in the original CiderPress, but the new implementations are generally superior. DiskCopy is no longer limited to 800KB disks, Trackstar metadata can be edited, CP/M is read-write, RDOS disk recognition is better, etc.

The multi-disk catalog output should be fairly complete at this point. For a subset of the Asimov repository it generated 97MB of output with --depth=max. The listing can be downloaded from https://faddensoftware.com/asimov-mdc.zip (14MB)

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by: Polymorph - Sat, 2 Sep 2023 05:26 UTC

On Friday, September 1, 2023 at 4:43:23 AM UTC+10, fadden wrote:
> CiderPress II v0.3 is now available. Most of the effort was focused on disk images and filesystems. A five-minute demo of the GUI is available at https://youtu.be/5tE07owhcCc .
>
> Summary of changes:
>
> - Added commands: create disk image, create file archive.
> - Added actions: test files, scan disk, save as disk, replace partition with disk image,
> import, export, defragment.
> - Added disk image formats: Trackstar, DiskCopy 4.2.
> - Added multi-partition disk formats: MicroDrive, FocusDrive.
> - Added filesystems: CP/M, Pascal, Gutenberg (read-only), MFS (read-only), RDOS (read-only).
> - Added file archive format: MacBinary (read-only).
> - Added access to removable media (with Admin privilege escalation).
> - Added import/export conversion options editor.
> - Added metadata editing.
> - Updated sector editor.
> - Various GUI improvements.
>
> Documentation for the new items has been added to https://ciderpress2.com/doc-index.html .
>
> Most of these were handled in the original CiderPress, but the new implementations are generally superior. DiskCopy is no longer limited to 800KB disks, Trackstar metadata can be edited, CP/M is read-write, RDOS disk recognition is better, etc.
>
> The multi-disk catalog output should be fairly complete at this point. For a subset of the Asimov repository it generated 97MB of output with --depth=max. The listing can be downloaded from https://faddensoftware.com/asimov-mdc.zip (14MB)

Great work! Looks like lots of improvements over the original version (which was already an indispensable tool).

Cheers,
Mike

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by: Brian Patrie - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 04:08 UTC

Out of curiosity, why aren't you simply calling it CiderPress 5?

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by: fadden - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 14:39 UTC

On Monday, September 25, 2023 at 9:08:28 PM UTC-7, Brian Patrie wrote:
> Out of curiosity, why aren't you simply calling it CiderPress 5?

Because it's a rewrite from scratch, rather than an improved version, and there are differences in how they can be used. CiderPress is a Windows MFC app that can run in WINE on other systems, CiderPress II is a .NET app that (for now) has a Windows GUI and a broadly executable command-line interface. Explaining how to use them to somebody else is easier if the recipient doesn't need to know that everything changed in v5.

Besides, ciderpress2.com was available. :-)

The debate that I expect will engage scholars for generations is "CiderPress II" vs. "CiderPress 2" vs. "CiderPress ][".

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by: Oliver Schmidt - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 16:26 UTC

Hi,

> The debate that I expect will engage scholars for generations is
> "CiderPress II" vs. "CiderPress 2" vs. "CiderPress ][".

.... or "CiderPress //" ;-)

Regards,
Oliver

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by: Mike Spangler - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:09 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 9:26:57 AM UTC-7, Oliver Schmidt wrote:
> Hi,
> > The debate that I expect will engage scholars for generations is
> > "CiderPress II" vs. "CiderPress 2" vs. "CiderPress ][".
> ... or "CiderPress //" ;-)
>
> Regards,
> Oliver

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by: Mike Spangler - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:14 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 7:39:25 AM UTC-7, fadden wrote:

> Because it's a rewrite from scratch, rather than an improved version, and there are differences in how they can be used. CiderPress is a Windows MFC app that can run in WINE on other systems, CiderPress II is a .NET app that (for now) has a Windows GUI and a broadly executable command-line interface.

So does CiderPress II work under WINE? The way you wrote that it sounds like no. Windows is OS-non-grata in this house.

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by: fadden - Tue, 26 Sep 2023 18:31 UTC

On Tuesday, September 26, 2023 at 11:14:04 AM UTC-7, Mike Spangler wrote:
> So does CiderPress II work under WINE? The way you wrote that it sounds like no. Windows is OS-non-grata in this house.

The command-line interface works under Mac OS and Linux as well as Windows. The CLI has roughly the same set of features as the GUI, including sector editing and file conversions.

The GUI is currently a Windows WPF app. I don't believe it can work under WINE; .NET programs generally don't, and WPF almost certainly doesn't. The long-term goal is to switch to a platform-neutral GUI toolkit, which would allow it to run on any desktop system (and possibly elsewhere), but for a variety of reasons (noted here: https://github.com/fadden/ciderpress2#gui-tool-development) I'm doing v1.0 with WPF.

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by: fadden - Fri, 24 Nov 2023 00:21 UTC

CiderPress II v0.4 is now available. The main changes were the introduction of drag & drop and development of a full set of file converters. A four-minute demo of the GUI is available at https://youtu.be/P2kss3aOEvs .

The drag & drop and copy & paste has been something I've wanted to do for a while. Microsoft didn't make it easy, but I think it came out pretty well.

The file conversions are equivalent or superior to those in the original CiderPress. One new addition is a hi-res font renderer. It takes a 768- or 1024-byte font file for the Apple II or Apple /// and generates a character grid bitmap.

I also added support for Pascal ProFile Manager, which is the thing that uses storage type 4 on a ProDOS disk. I found a sample that Willi Kusche uploaded a while back (
https://www.apple.asimov.net/images/programming/pascal/PDDISK29.ZIP ) and used that as a test case.

Documentation for the various "vintage" file formats can be found on https://ciderpress2.com/doc-index.html .

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by: Bill Chatfield - Sat, 2 Dec 2023 15:52 UTC

On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:21:20 PM UTC-5, fadden wrote:
> CiderPress II v0.4 is now available. The main changes were the introduction of drag & drop and development of a full set of file converters. A four-minute demo of the GUI is available at https://youtu.be

Here's a picture of it running in Wine on Fedora Linux:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1osMqS_mjZ84OEF-BBTq5GAFO0vTSErD2/view?usp=sharing

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by: fadden - Sat, 2 Dec 2023 16:15 UTC

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 7:52:30 AM UTC-8, Bill Chatfield wrote:
> On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:21:20 PM UTC-5, fadden wrote:
> > CiderPress II v0.4 is now available. The main changes were the introduction of drag & drop and development of a full set of file converters. A four-minute demo of the GUI is available at https://youtu.be
> Here's a picture of it running in Wine on Fedora Linux:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1osMqS_mjZ84OEF-BBTq5GAFO0vTSErD2/view?usp=sharing

I didn't think Wine could handle .NET binaries. This is excellent! Did you need to do anything special to get it working?

This suggests it might also be possible to run 6502bench on Mac/Linux, though that's using the older ".NET Framework" rather than the newer ".NET Core".

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by: Bill Chatfield - Sat, 2 Dec 2023 23:35 UTC

On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 11:15:30 AM UTC-5, fadden wrote:
> On Saturday, December 2, 2023 at 7:52:30 AM UTC-8, Bill Chatfield wrote:
> > On Thursday, November 23, 2023 at 7:21:20 PM UTC-5, fadden wrote:
> > > CiderPress II v0.4 is now available. The main changes were the introduction of drag & drop and development of a full set of file converters. A four-minute demo of the GUI is available at https://youtu.be
> > Here's a picture of it running in Wine on Fedora Linux:
> > https://drive.google.com/file/d/1osMqS_mjZ84OEF-BBTq5GAFO0vTSErD2/view?usp=sharing
> I didn't think Wine could handle .NET binaries. This is excellent! Did you need to do anything special to get it working?
>
> This suggests it might also be possible to run 6502bench on Mac/Linux, though that's using the older ".NET Framework" rather than the newer ".NET Core".
I didn't do anything special. I think the self contained package was helpful. One of the problems with Wine is getting all the Windows components installed correctly that you need to run a program. I used the 32-bit version also. I have Wine 8.19. Fedora usually includes the latest version.

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by: fadden - Sat, 16 Dec 2023 23:31 UTC

CiderPress II v1.0.0-alpha1 is now available.

I've written documentation and tied up various loose ends, and am
declaring it to be feature-complete. Now it just needs somebody other
than me to give it some exercise. :-)

https://ciderpress2.com/

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by: fadden - Thu, 28 Dec 2023 18:27 UTC

CiderPress II v1.0 is now available.

https://ciderpress2.com/

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by: Oliver Schmidt - Fri, 29 Dec 2023 10:11 UTC

> CiderPress II v1.0 is now available.

1. Congrats!

2. Thanks :-)

Oliver

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