On Sun, 31 Dec 2023 17:43:20 -0000 (UTC)
kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) wrote:

> The http://apple2.gs/slack site has now been fixed by Dagen Brock.
> Try to join again.
>
> Kent

Yes, I was able to join. It feels more like work, where I use Teams.
I'll probably get use to it.

kegs@provalid.com (Kent Dickey) writes:

> In article <20231230122350.1f7ee9cc@smilodon-gracilis>,
> Bill Chatfield <bill_chatfield@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>On Fri, 29 Dec 2023 17:35:03 -0000 (UTC)
>>You're Kidding <yk@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> >> I went to the site. No HTTPS certificate, for one thing. Tried
>>> >> to sign up and got an error: "Error:Error: certificate has
>>> >> expired". Sounds like the same problem in two forms.
>>> >
>>> > No certificate errors here (must've been upgraded), but demanding
>>> > an email address right off the bat is a turn-off.
>>>
>>> I get the same error message trying with 4 different browsers. I've
>>> been trying to access slack for over a month.
>>
>>At http://apple2.gs:3000/invite I get:
>>
>> Error:Error: certificate has expired
>>
>>The the first error is an error, so I'm not sure what the real error
>>is. Haha
>
> The http://apple2.gs/slack site has now been fixed by Dagen Brock. Try
> to join again.

Thank-you, that works now. Happy New Year to all!

--
Jerry jerry+a2 at jpen.ca

>>> "Starting on February 22, 2024, you can no longer use Google Groups ...

>> That's so typical Google - killing services at a whim.

That's because we're not the customer, the advertisors/underwriters are.
We're just the free source of the content that Google "monetizes".

> Most Internet Service Providers
> killed off their free Usenet access years ago

a) because that required the ISP to run a server.
b) phone companies are allowed "common carrier" status:
they're not responsible for the content of the phone calls,
just as the post office is not responsible for what's in the envelope.
They just deliver the contents.
Somehow USENET providers were NOT granted that immunity,
so they didn't want to risk the liability of people misbehaving with their postings :-(

> (as well as free email and website space), and yet
>continue to charge more and more money for less and less services.

It's not free if you're paying a monthly fee.
It WAS a contractual obligation until the ISP felt like eliminating the service.

So now that the ISP is not running the email or web server,
where's that budget going?

That further forces folks to use Google or Yahoo for their "free" email
and post articles behind walled-gardens such as Facebook
(who "monetize" all that free content).

The burning of the library of Alexandria is NOTHING compared to all the knowledge lost
when Yahoo groups, Delphi Forums, GEnie roundtables ... shut down
with no consideration for archiving.

--

Jeff Jonas wrote:
>
> The burning of the library of Alexandria is NOTHING compared to all the
> knowledge lost
> when Yahoo groups, Delphi Forums, GEnie roundtables ... shut down
> with no consideration for archiving.
>

Thus destruction, the fate of all things.

David,

Don't be so modest. You yourself did a pretty decent job of preserving a
lot of the old GEnie BB stuff on MacGUI.

Of course, I still value greatly the 'Time in a Bottle Collection' that
had everything (Libraries and BB discussions) from GEnie A2 and A2Pro
archived in one place.

Someone should try to get that reclassified. Maybe it's already up
somewhere?

In case others are wondering what it contained, here 'ya go:

<http://www.apple2works.com/genieappleiifiles.pdf>

I was only on Compuserve for a short time, but I do wish those Apple II
discussion archives were available somewhere. There was a lot of red
meat there.

Hugh Hood

On 1/16/2024 8:16 AM, D Finnigan wrote:
> Jeff Jonas wrote:
>>
>> The burning of the library of Alexandria is NOTHING compared to all the
>> knowledge lost
>> when Yahoo groups, Delphi Forums, GEnie roundtables ... shut down
>> with no consideration for archiving.
>>
>
> Thus destruction, the fate of all things.
>

> In case others are wondering what it contained, here 'ya go:
>
> <http://www.apple2works.com/genieappleiifiles.pdf>
>
>> I was only on Compuserve for a short time, but I do wish those Apple II
> discussion archives were available somewhere. There was a lot of red
> meat there.

Hold the Frick. There is a lot there I have never seen before. I have a couple of 2 gig disk images I am filling up. Already 1 full of IIGS Apps, games, utilites, music and graphics. Starting on the Apple II programs next.. Would be nice to sift thru all that. The ultimate goal is having everything decompressed and stored in folders so the only thing compressed is the disk image.

> > > I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
> > > http://apple2.gs/slack
> > >
> My problem with slack is they dropped support for older OSX versions. Now I can only access slack via my iPhone but not my Macs. It is not much fun using the iPhone so I have stopped using slack. There must be a better discussion platform.

It is not about the OSX version, but about the latest web browser that can work on that OSX. What version of OSX are you using? I am using FireFox on 10.13, and both are already outdated.

On 2024-01-19 23:26:56 +0000, I am Rob said:

>>>>
>>>> I do however highly recommend the A2 Infinitum Slack space
>>>> http://apple2.gs/slack
>>>>
>> My problem with slack is they dropped support for older OSX versions.
>> Now I can only access slack via my iPhone but not my Macs. It is not
>> much fun using the iPhone so I have stopped using slack. There must be
>> a better discussion platform.
>
> It is not about the OSX version, but about the latest web browser that
> can work on that OSX. What version of OSX are you using? I am using
> FireFox on 10.13, and both are already outdated.

Firefox is on its last full release (currently version 115) for MacOS
10.12, 10.13, and 10.14, but is still getting security updates and will
do until September 2024. (See article below.)

Chrome and Brave are also dropping support for these older versions of
MacOS. :-(

Chromium Legacy is one of the few (only?) web browsers still being
updated for older versions of MacOS.
<https://github.com/blueboxd/chromium-legacy/releases>

The web browsers themselves will of course still work, although the
number of websites that don't work properly will slowly grow. I've
noticed it already happening in MacOS 10.13 Safari, but so far it is
only a couple of websites that I only occassionally use.

Firefox support for macOS 10.12, 10.13 and 10.14
------------------------------------------------
July 6, 2023

With Firefox 115, users on macOS 10.12 (Sierra), macOS 10.13
(High Sierra) and macOS 10.14 (Mojave) will automatically be
moved to the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR).

While Apple doesn’t have an official policy governing security
updates for older macOS releases, their recent practice has
been to support the most recent three releases. The last
security update for macOS 10.14 was nearly two years ago in
July 2021. Moving users to the ESR 115 version of Firefox will
allow Mozilla to continue providing security updates until at
least September 2024. Users do not need to take additional
action to receive these updates.

We strongly encourage users to upgrade to a version of macOS
that is supported by Apple. When migrating to a new device,
users can use a Firefox Account to easily keep all of their
settings, ensuring all bookmarks, browsing history and saved
passwords are immediately available after installing Firefox.

Unsupported operating systems receive no security updates and
can be dangerous for you to use. For planning purposes,
enterprises using Firefox should consider September 2024 as
the support end date for macOS 10.12, 10.13 and 10.14.

<https://blog.mozilla.org/futurereleases/2023/07/06/firefox-support-for-macos-10-12-10-13-and-10-14/>

> With Firefox 115, users on macOS 10.12 (Sierra), macOS 10.13
> (High Sierra) and macOS 10.14 (Mojave) will automatically be
> moved to the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR).

Linux dual boots quite happily on an intel Mac. I have it on a 2009 Mini, and there Firefox is supported. Slow, but supported. On a 2012 mini ($100 used) Linux is quite spritely. I use the Xfce version as supposedly it's easier on the graphics.

It may come down to that option in the end.

Mike Spangler <mspangler@ifiber.tv> wrote:

> > With Firefox 115, users on macOS 10.12 (Sierra), macOS 10.13
> > (High Sierra) and macOS 10.14 (Mojave) will automatically be
> > moved to the Firefox Extended Support Release (ESR).

> Linux dual boots quite happily on an intel Mac. I have it on a 2009 Mini, and there Firefox is supported. Slow, but supported. On a 2012 mini ($100 used) Linux is quite spritely. I use the Xfce version as supposedly it's easier on the graphics.

> It may come down to that option in the end.

Anyone triple boots (macOS, Linux, and Bootcamp's Windows)?
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