In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken
wrote...
>
> In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,
>
> Philip Herlihy says...
>
> > > ... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
> > > repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.
> >
> > Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?
> >
>
> Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
> menu. I use it all the time.

Got it - thanks!

--

Phil, London

On Wed, 24 May 2023 13:05:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
> On 2023-05-24 04:46, Stan Brown wrote:
> > On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >>
> >> This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):
> >>
> >> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
> >
> > But that's what I did originally, and a PP complained that _that_
> > link was broken.
> >
>
> Because it arrived broken. I don't know why.
>
> It arrived as
>
> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>
> two lines, and my Thunderbird doesn't detect it as a single URL.

So you are telling me to do something that you already know won't
work? It's not immediately apparent to me how that is helpful.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Wed, 24 May 2023 13:05:32 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>
>> On 2023-05-24 04:46, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>>>>
>>>> This way with Thunderbird it works (and soft paragraph breaks):
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>
>>> But that's what I did originally, and a PP complained that _that_
>>> link was broken.
>>>
>>
>> Because it arrived broken. I don't know why.
>>
>> It arrived as
>>
>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>
>> two lines, and my Thunderbird doesn't detect it as a single URL.
>
> So you are telling me to do something that you already know won't
> work? It's not immediately apparent to me how that is helpful.
>

The line has a hard break in it (0x0d 0x0a) .
It makes me question what the purpose of <...> is, if
it won't glue the two bits together again.

The first question would be, does it look glued together
in Gravity ?

Thunderbird supports format-flowed, but I don't know if that
affects <...> parsing or not. The only reason I ask about
Gravity, is to see if the <...> notion is even known by it.

Thunderbird here, isn't joining the bits when it is a quoted chunk.
The >> <https makes no difference to it.

Changing your wrap setting would "fix" this, but it would not
change the fact that <...> isn't working. My wrap is set to 1000 or so.

Paul

On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>> Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
>> account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
>> be your normal login account, if you created it that
>> way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
>> "Administrator", which is disabled by default.
>>
>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>
>
> On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:
>>
>> The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by
>> enclosing it in angle brackets
>>
>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>
> This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
> brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
> and broke it.
>
> Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
> repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
> more news clients don't.
>
> Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
> preceding ">" character:
>
>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
> in-windows-10-5095293
>
> and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":
>
>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
> in-windows-10-5095293>
>
>

FYI Stan.
All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link
from Graham J is not.
IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the
link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.

--
Regards
wasbit

On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:
> On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
>>> account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
>>> be your normal login account, if you created it that
>>> way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
>>> "Administrator", which is disabled by default.
>>>
>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:
>>>
>>> The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by
>>> enclosing it in angle brackets
>>>
>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>
>> This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
>> brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
>> and broke it.
>>
>> Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
>> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
>> repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
>> more news clients don't.
>>
>> Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
>> preceding ">" character:
>>
>>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>> in-windows-10-5095293
>>
>> and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":
>>
>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>> in-windows-10-5095293>
>>
>>
>
> FYI Stan.
> All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link from Graham J is not.
> IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.
>

Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
in-windows-10-5095293/>

Here's hoping...

Paul

On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:
> On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:
>> On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
>>>> account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
>>>> be your normal login account, if you created it that
>>>> way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
>>>> "Administrator", which is disabled by default.
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>>>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by
>>>> enclosing it in angle brackets
>>>>
>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>
>>> This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
>>> brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
>>> and broke it.
>>>
>>> Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
>>> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
>>> repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
>>> more news clients don't.
>>>
>>> Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
>>> preceding ">" character:
>>>
>>>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>> in-windows-10-5095293
>>>
>>> and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":
>>>
>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>> in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> FYI Stan.
>> All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link from Graham J is not.
>> IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.
>>
>
> Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
> the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)
>
>    <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
> in-windows-10-5095293/>
>
> Here's hoping...
>
>    Paul
>

Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.

https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
in-windows-10-5095293

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
in-windows-10-5095293>

Paul

On 5/26/2023 6:20 AM, Paul wrote:
> On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:
>> On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>> Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
>>>>> account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
>>>>> be your normal login account, if you created it that
>>>>> way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
>>>>> "Administrator", which is disabled by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>>>>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The link was broken - it should be a single line like this, achieved by
>>>>> enclosing it in angle brackets
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>
>>>> This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
>>>> brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
>>>> and broke it.
>>>>
>>>> Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
>>>> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
>>>> repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
>>>> more news clients don't.
>>>>
>>>> Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
>>>> preceding ">" character:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>>> in-windows-10-5095293
>>>>
>>>> and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>>> in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> FYI Stan.
>>> All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link from Graham J is not.
>>> IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.
>>>
>>
>> Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
>> the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)
>>
>>     <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>> in-windows-10-5095293/>
>>
>> Here's hoping...
>
> Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
> continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.
>
> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
> in-windows-10-5095293
>
> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
> in-windows-10-5095293>

It's not that I've given up, but I am beginning to believe the
hard break (0x0d 0x0a) on the end of the first line, really kills
the chances of it working.

Just for chuckles, let's see if the continuation character works or not.
I have to make this long enough, to surpass a thousand.

012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789\
ABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJ\
abcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghij\
KLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRST\
klmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrst\
135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680\
ACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQS\
acegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqs\
012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789\
ABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJ\
abcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghij\
KLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRST\
klmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrst\
135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680\
ACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQS\
acegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqs\
012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789012345678901234567890123456789\
ABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJABCDEFGHIJ\
abcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghijabcdefghij\
KLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRSTKLMNOPQRST\
klmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrstklmnopqrst\
135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680135792468013579246801357924680\
ACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQSACEGIKMOQS\
acegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqsacegikmoqs\

Paul

In article <MPG.3ed949319f21a1e3989a69@news.eternal-september.org>, Philip
Herlihy wrote...
>
> In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken
> wrote...
> >
> > In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,
> >
> > Philip Herlihy says...
> >
> > > > ... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
> > > > repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.
> > >
> > > Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?
> > >
> >
> > Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
> > menu. I use it all the time.
>
> Got it - thanks!

I'm not much better off - it's always greyed out!

--

Phil, London

On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
> On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > [quoted text muted]
> >
> > So you are telling me to do something that you already know won't
> > work? It's not immediately apparent to me how that is helpful.
> >
>
> The line has a hard break in it (0x0d 0x0a) .
> It makes me question what the purpose of <...> is, if
> it won't glue the two bits together again.
>
> The first question would be, does it look glued together
> in Gravity ?

Nope. I'm surprised to hear that it's a hard break,
though. Apart from your suggestion of setting a very
long line length, I don't think there's anything I can
do about it.

And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
may or may not create problems when people read my
articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
when people post followups that contain quotes of what
I wrote.

Unless someone has a solution to this problem, let's
drop the subject and move on.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

> > > In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > Philip Herlihy says...
[missing attribution to Stan Brown restored]
> > > > > ... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
> > > > > repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.
> > > >
> > > > Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?

> > In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken
> > wrote...
> > > Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
> > > menu. I use it all the time.
On Fri, 26 May 2023 12:40:41 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
> I'm not much better off - it's always greyed out!

I didn't post an answer to your question, since someone else already
had. But I don't think that right-click Repair URL is available when
you just click on random body text. In my experience, anyway, it is
grayed out with random body text or even when I click into a link. I
need to highlight the link (on both lines), then right-click and
Repair URL.

Here are a couple you can practice on:

> > On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> >> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
....
> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

In the second one, I found I could highlight the whole of the two
lines, or just the part between < and >, and either way Gravity was
smart enough to not include "> " quote indicators in the URL.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 26/05/2023 11:20, Paul wrote:
> On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:
>> On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:
>>> On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>> Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
>>>>> account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
>>>>> be your normal login account, if you created it that
>>>>> way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
>>>>> "Administrator", which is disabled by default.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>>>>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The link was broken - it should be a single line like this,
>>>>> achieved by
>>>>> enclosing it in angle brackets
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
>>>> brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
>>>> and broke it.
>>>>
>>>> Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
>>>> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
>>>> repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
>>>> more news clients don't.
>>>>
>>>> Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
>>>> preceding ">" character:
>>>>
>>>>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>>> in-windows-10-5095293
>>>>
>>>> and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":
>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>>> in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> FYI Stan.
>>> All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link
>>> from Graham J is not.
>>> IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the
>>> link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.
>>>
>>
>> Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
>> the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)
>>
>>     <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>> in-windows-10-5095293/>
>>
>> Here's hoping...
>>
>>     Paul
>>
>
> Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
> continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.
>
> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
> in-windows-10-5095293
>
> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
> in-windows-10-5095293>
>
>    Paul

FYI

<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>> in-windows-10-5095293/>
Copy & pasting between the angle brackets works. Right click & 'Open
link in browser' doesn't.
Pale Moon, Windows 8.1

The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

--
Regards
wasbit

On 27/05/2023 09:19, wasbit wrote:
> On 26/05/2023 11:20, Paul wrote:
>> On 5/26/2023 4:44 AM, Paul wrote:
>>> On 5/26/2023 4:36 AM, wasbit wrote:
>>>> On 23/05/2023 19:07, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 00:44:33 -0700, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>>> Note: There is a difference between _an_ administrator
>>>>>> account and _the_ administrator account. The former can
>>>>>> be your normal login account, if you created it that
>>>>>> way. The latter is a special dedicated account called
>>>>>> "Administrator", which is disabled by default.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
>>>>>> administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2023 09:22:06 +0100, Graham J wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The link was broken - it should be a single line like this,
>>>>>> achieved by
>>>>>> enclosing it in angle brackets
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> This depends on the news client. I _did_ enclose the link in angle
>>>>> brackets, but either my news client or yours has a mind of its own
>>>>> and broke it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Realistically, I think the fault lies with Gravity. Not much I can do
>>>>> about it. Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
>>>>> repastes a link and passes it to the default browser. It's a pity
>>>>> more news clients don't.
>>>>>
>>>>> Just for fun, I'm trying pasting the link as a quote, with a
>>>>> preceding ">" character:
>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>>>> in-windows-10-5095293
>>>>>
>>>>> and here, with preceding ">" and surrounding "<...>":
>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>>>> in-windows-10-5095293>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> FYI Stan.
>>>> All your links in this thread are broken in Thunderbird but the link
>>>> from Graham J is not.
>>>> IMO it's not worth worrying about. Most users would copy & paste the
>>>> link into their browser if they really wanted to read it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Let's try an experiment. Let us put a slash at the end. I've left
>>> the hard return in the middle of the URL to make this test "tougher" :-)
>>>
>>>     <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
>>> in-windows-10-5095293/>
>>>
>>> Here's hoping...
>>>
>>>     Paul
>>>
>>
>> Boo, and/or hiss. Let's try two more examples, using the
>> continuation character "backslash" as a magical salve.
>>
>> https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
>> in-windows-10-5095293
>>
>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-\
>> in-windows-10-5095293>
>>
>>     Paul
>
> FYI
>
> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-
> >> in-windows-10-5095293/>
> Copy & pasting between the angle brackets works. Right click & 'Open
> link in browser' doesn't.
> Pale Moon, Windows 8.1
>
> The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.
>
Edit: the second & third links go to Lifewire but 'Page not found'.

--
Regards
wasbit

In article <MPG.3edadcf18dba42ab990126@news.individual.net>, Stan Brown
wrote...
>
> > > > In article <MPG.3ed81e346f058e4f989a68@news.eternal-september.org>,
> > > > Philip Herlihy says...
> [missing attribution to Stan Brown restored]
> > > > > > ... Gravity has a "Repair URL" menu item that automatically
> > > > > > repastes a link and passes it to the default browser.
> > > > >
> > > > > Really? I use Gravity - where is that feature?
>
> > > In article <MPG.3ed82c49205cecce9897fe@News.Individual.NET>, Unsteadyken
> > > wrote...
> > > > Right click on any body text and you will see it as an option in the
> > > > menu. I use it all the time.
>
> On Fri, 26 May 2023 12:40:41 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:
>
> > I'm not much better off - it's always greyed out!
>
> I didn't post an answer to your question, since someone else already
> had. But I don't think that right-click Repair URL is available when
> you just click on random body text. In my experience, anyway, it is
> grayed out with random body text or even when I click into a link. I
> need to highlight the link (on both lines), then right-click and
> Repair URL.
>
> Here are a couple you can practice on:
>
> > > On Tue, 23 May 2023 21:49:50 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> > >> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293 " rel="nofollow" target="_blank">https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
> ...
> > <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-
> > administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>
> In the second one, I found I could highlight the whole of the two
> lines, or just the part between < and >, and either way Gravity was
> smart enough to not include "> " quote indicators in the URL.

Thank you, Stan - now I know how to use it, it works a treat!

--

Phil, London

On 2023-05-26 14:50, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
>> On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> [quoted text muted]

>
> And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
> insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
> may or may not create problems when people read my
> articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
> when people post followups that contain quotes of what
> I wrote.

This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird.
See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by
each receiver, not the sender.

Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod
tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim
veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea
commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate
velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint
occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt
mollit anim id est laborum.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

"wasbit" wrote in message news:u4sefb$bpcn$1@dont-email.me...
>
> The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.

Does this work?
<https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>

....w

On 5/27/2023 9:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-05-26 14:50, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>> On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>> [quoted text muted]
>
>
>>
>> And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
>> insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
>> may or may not create problems when people read my
>> articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
>> when people post followups that contain quotes of what
>> I wrote.
>
> This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird. See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by each receiver, not the sender.
>
> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
>
>

Only in Howard can you see how it was sent. It appears to be
wrapped for transmission, at 72. If I make my Thunderbird reading window 72 wide,
the message looks more or less like the Howard copy.

http://al.howardknight.net/?STYPE=msgid&MSGI=%3Cohb9kjxdng.ln2%40Telcontar.valinor%3E

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

Mine are sent with the same directive. Mine "flow" in the reading window,
until the reading window is wide enough for the hard breaks to enforce formatting.
Which I do for ASCII-art reasons.

text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Whether you can do that in Gravity, it would depend on how
a Custom Header behaves (if you wanted to make your own Content-type).

http://underpop.online.fr/m/microplanet-gravity/help/posting_x-faces.html

Paul

Paul

Paul,

[Carlos]
>> This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird.
>> See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by
>> each receiver, not the sender.
[snip]

Funny : Carlos mentions soft breaks but in his message I see hard breaks
(0x0D 0x0A), but than when you quote it here its all on a single line (no
breaks at all).

> Only in Howard can you see how it was sent.

You mean in the senders email client ? About that ... WYSINWYAS (what
you see is not what you are sending). At least, that happens with my email
client - which has no problem allowing me to create an RTF message, only to
convert it back to plain text just before sending it. Which irks me to no
end.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 5/28/2023 3:15 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Paul,
>
> [Carlos]
>>> This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by Thunderbird.
>>> See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped - but wrapped by
>>> each receiver, not the sender.
> [snip]
>
> Funny : Carlos mentions soft breaks but in his message I see hard breaks
> (0x0D 0x0A), but than when you quote it here its all on a single line (no
> breaks at all).
>
>> Only in Howard can you see how it was sent.
>
> You mean in the senders email client ? About that ... WYSINWYAS (what
> you see is not what you are sending). At least, that happens with my email
> client - which has no problem allowing me to create an RTF message, only to
> convert it back to plain text just before sending it. Which irks me to no
> end.
>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser

You snipped bits of it, but fine, the diff I see is some materials are

<char> 0x0d 0x0a

and other material is

0x20 0x0d 0x0a

and the space *might* be part of helping the format-flowed. As Carlos
says, the format-flowed, flows on the receiver. What the respondent
tool does in a followup, who knows.

Is your

X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

the same as Tbird ?

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Dunno.

Paul

On 27/05/2023 16:38, ...winston wrote:
> "wasbit"  wrote in message news:u4sefb$bpcn$1@dont-email.me...
>>
>> The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.
>
> Does this work?
> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>
>
> ...w

Yep.

--
Regards
wasbit

Paul,

> You snipped bits of it, but fine, the diff I see is some materials are
>
> <char> 0x0d 0x0a
>
> and other material is
>
> 0x20 0x0d 0x0a
>
> and the space *might* be part of helping the format-flowed.
....
X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

Carlos post doesn't mention the RFC, but reading it I came across this :

"Because a soft line break is a SP CRLF sequence"

IOW, according to that his does indeed contain such soft line breaks. It
though seems that my newsgroup reader just takes them as hard breaks - even
where there is enough space left right of it to put whole of the next line
behind it.

> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response

No idea. I only send plain text newsgroup messages and/or emails. Besides
that, How am I supposed to check that ?

> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

Yes, I can see that in the headers of his message. It still doesn't "flow"
in my newsgroup reader.

Regards,
Rudy Wieser

On 2023-05-27 20:47, Paul wrote:
> On 5/27/2023 9:01 AM, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-05-26 14:50, Stan Brown wrote:
>>> On Thu, 25 May 2023 17:17:17 -0400, Paul wrote:
>>>> On 5/25/2023 1:44 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>>>>> [quoted text muted]
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And if I set a very long line length, then I'll have to
>>> insert my own hard breaks in text (non-URL) lines. That
>>> may or may not create problems when people read my
>>> articles, but I think it will certainly create problems
>>> when people post followups that contain quotes of what
>>> I wrote.
>>
>> This is a sample of a long line with soft breaks as done by
>> Thunderbird. See how you see it on your side. On mine, it is wrapped -
>> but wrapped by each receiver, not the sender.
>>
>> Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do
>> eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad
>> minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut
>> aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in
>> reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla
>> pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in
>> culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
>>
>>
>
> Only in Howard can you see how it was sent.

I can :-D

If I'm fast enough. I just have to look in the appropriate directory of
my proxy server, at "/var/spool/news/out.going".

Or I can stop the cronjob in advance, then there is no time limit.

Otherwise, in the "sent" folder of Thunderbird,
"/home/cer/.thunderbird/...../Mail/Local Folders/Sent-usenet"

66 66 69 63 69 61 20 64 65 73 65 72 75 6e 74 20 |fficia deserunt |
0d 0a 6d 6f 6c 6c 69 74 20 61 6e 69 6d 20 69 64 |..mollit anim id|
20 65 73 74 20 6c 61 62 6f 72 75 6d 2e 0d 0a 0d | est laborum....|
0a 0d 0a 2d 2d 20 0d 0a 43 68 65 65 72 73 2c 20 |...-- ..Cheers, |
43 61 72 6c 6f 73 2e 0d 0a 0d 0a 0a 46 72 6f 6d |Carlos......From|
20 2d 20 53 75 6e 2c 20 32 38 20 4d 61 79 20 32 | - Sun, 28 May 2|
30 32 33 20 31 30 3a 35 33 3a 31 38 20 47 4d 54 |023 10:53:18 GMT|

You can see that it has lines with 0A 0D in the middle of the paragraph.

How it knows not to render that new line, I don't remember.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

On 5/28/2023 4:44 AM, R.Wieser wrote:
> Paul,
>
>> You snipped bits of it, but fine, the diff I see is some materials are
>>
>> <char> 0x0d 0x0a
>>
>> and other material is
>>
>> 0x20 0x0d 0x0a
>>
>> and the space *might* be part of helping the format-flowed.
> ...
> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
>
> Carlos post doesn't mention the RFC, but reading it I came across this :
>
> "Because a soft line break is a SP CRLF sequence"
>
> IOW, according to that his does indeed contain such soft line breaks. It
> though seems that my newsgroup reader just takes them as hard breaks - even
> where there is enough space left right of it to put whole of the next line
> behind it.
>
>> X-RFC2646: Format=Flowed; Response
>
> No idea. I only send plain text newsgroup messages and/or emails. Besides
> that, How am I supposed to check that ?
>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed
>
> Yes, I can see that in the headers of his message. It still doesn't "flow"
> in my newsgroup reader.
>
> Regards,
> Rudy Wieser

That's because RFC2646 is a relatively recent standard. It was
written 24 years ago :-)

Which on USENET, is the "blink of an eye".

Microsoft is a bit like the kid who won't eat his Broccoli.
Once they've decided a "certain vegetable is on their list",
they won't touch it. And format=flowed ? That does not
sound like a "core technology" to me :-)

It only took them fifteen years to fix Notepad, which
for Microsoft is a "speed run". (That's the Win10 Notepad
by the way. The Win11 version is also a rewrite, and a bit
more messed up than the Win10 one. If you must use Notepad,
I recommend the Win10 one.)

Paul

wasbit wrote:
> On 27/05/2023 16:38, ...winston wrote:
>> "wasbit"  wrote in message news:u4sefb$bpcn$1@dont-email.me...
>>>
>>> The second & third links don't work with copy & paste.
>>
>> Does this work?
>> <https://www.lifewire.com/enable-or-disable-administrator-account-in-windows-10-5095293>
>>
>>
>> ...w
>
> Yep.
>

Didn't look into why before sending.
- upon inspection after sending - the above was sent with Windows Live
Mail 2012 using Plain Text, MIME, no encoding(program setting for plain
text), Content encoding(7 bit, program option to allow 8 bit disabled in
WLM12), wrap at 76 characters.
The message properties indicate text/plain, format=flowed, charset=utf-8

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