On 9/5/2023 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
> On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
>>>>>> On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>> sticks wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
>>>>>>>> stick.  Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
>>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait.  Bios recognized it
>>>>>>>> and so did windows.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Good result ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Not sure what you are asking
>>>>>
>>>>> I found it and here is the actual link.
>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
>>>>
>>>> OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
>>>
>>>
>>> It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
>>> except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
>>>
>>> I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
>>> here also didn't
>>
>> In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
>> gets you close:
>>
>> "What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
>>
>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
>>
>> A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
>
>
> It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
> will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
>
> But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
> the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
> the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
> the reader's to have to figure it out.

Give it a rest, Ken. I kinda knew what he meant, which is why I
responded by saying I wasn't sure, but gave what details I could. I've
found Andy to be helpful and courteous. He don't owe me, or you, or
anybody else squat. Why you feel the need to always add your two cents
is beyond me. I'm not going to note some of the many annoying things
you do, as I'm sure you could do the same for me. But just because
you're older than all of us doesn't mean you have to treat us all like
children. It was no big deal!

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 15:59:19 -0400, "...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote:
>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
>>>>> On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>> sticks wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
>>>>>>> stick.  Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait.  Bios recognized it
>>>>>>> and so did windows.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Good result ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Not sure what you are asking
>>>>
>>>> I found it and here is the actual link.
>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
>>>
>>> OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
>>
>>
>> It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
>> except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
>>
>> I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
>> here also didn't
>>
>
>NOS - Normally not seen often in the pc hardware market. I recognized
>the term since it's used in the auto parts market - OEM and 3rd party
>resellers that buy excess inventory from manufacturer and OEM's.
>
>Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
>sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
>station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for
>a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster.
> - the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
>the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
>pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
>Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
>up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
>the authenticity. Still have the guitar.

Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's
classical guitar, not electric.

On Tue, 5 Sep 2023 15:37:52 -0500, sticks <wolverine01@charter.net>
wrote:

>On 9/5/2023 2:48 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
>> On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>>> sticks wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
>>>>>>>>> stick.  Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
>>>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait.  Bios recognized it
>>>>>>>>> and so did windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good result ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what you are asking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found it and here is the actual link.
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
>>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
>>>> except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
>>>> here also didn't
>>>
>>> In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
>>> gets you close:
>>>
>>> "What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
>>>
>>> A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
>>
>>
>> It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
>> will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
>>
>> But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
>> the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
>> the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
>> the reader's to have to figure it out.
>
>Give it a rest, Ken. I kinda knew what he meant, which is why I

You did. I didn't.

>responded by saying I wasn't sure, but gave what details I could. I've
>found Andy to be helpful and courteous.

I didn't mean to suggest otherwise. I was simply asking him (and
anyone else reading the thread) to avoid using abbreviations, since
not everyone will understand them.

>He don't owe me, or you, or
>anybody else squat.

Right. No argument from me. I meant it as a request, not a command.

>Why you feel the need to always add your two cents
>is beyond me. I'm not going to note some of the many annoying things
>you do, as I'm sure you could do the same for me.

What's annoying to one of us isn't always annoying to everyone else.
But if I've said something you found annoying, my apologies. I never
mean to be annoying.

>But just because
>you're older than all of us doesn't mean you have to treat us all like
>children.

I didn't mean to treat him or anyone else as a child. I was simply
making a recommendation.

> It was no big deal!

I didn't suggest otherwise.

Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> wrote:
>
> >Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> >On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
> >> >>> On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> >> >>>> sticks wrote:
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>> Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
> >> >>>>> stick.  Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
> >> >>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait.  Bios recognized it
> >> >>>>> and so did windows.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Good result ..
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Not sure what you are asking
> >> >>
> >> >> I found it and here is the actual link.
> >> >> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
> >> >
> >> >OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
> >> >refurbished" whatever that means ...
> >>
> >>
> >> It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
> >> except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
> >>
> >> I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
> >> here also didn't
> >
> > In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
> >gets you close:
> >
> >"What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
> >
> ><https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
> >
> > A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
>
>
> It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
> will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
>
> But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
> the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
> the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
> the reader's to have to figure it out.

BUT, especially on Usenet and especially in these technical groups, we
use loads of abbreviations. This was just a new one for you (and me), so
if we want to know what it means, we investigate or ask and move on. No
reason to tell someone what abbreviation (s)he can and cannot use.

OTOH, AFAIK/AFAICT/AFAIR/IIRC, YMMV/YMWV.

BTW, what's your OS, CPU, RAM, SDD, HDD, etc.?

QED, HTH, HAND, EOD, NP.

On 9/6/2023 9:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>> On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
>>>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> On 04/09/2023 16:48, sticks wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/3/2023 7:12 PM, sticks wrote:
>>>>>>> On 9/3/2023 11:07 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
>>>>>>>> sticks wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Got the replacement 4GB stick and just stuck it in replacing the 2GB
>>>>>>>>> stick.  Figured I probably should do a memtest on it first, but I
>>>>>>>>> was like a little kid and just couldn't wait.  Bios recognized it
>>>>>>>>> and so did windows.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Good result ..
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Was the duff one NOS, or secondhand?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not sure what you are asking
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I found it and here is the actual link.
>>>>>> https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0924CQY87
>>>>>
>>>>> OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
>>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
>>>> except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
>>>>
>>>> I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
>>>> here also didn't
>>>
>>> In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
>>> gets you close:
>>>
>>> "What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
>>>
>>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
>>>
>>> A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
>>
>>
>> It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
>> will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
>>
>> But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
>> the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
>> the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
>> the reader's to have to figure it out.
>
> BUT, especially on Usenet and especially in these technical groups, we
> use loads of abbreviations. This was just a new one for you (and me), so
> if we want to know what it means, we investigate or ask and move on. No
> reason to tell someone what abbreviation (s)he can and cannot use.
>
> OTOH, AFAIK/AFAICT/AFAIR/IIRC, YMMV/YMWV.
>
> BTW, what's your OS, CPU, RAM, SDD, HDD, etc.?
>
> QED, HTH, HAND, EOD, NP.
>

I think it's faster than yours.

I expect you two, to settle this in the parking lot, with some burnouts.
(Rotate tires rapidly making lots of tire smoke. You know, hotrodder stuff.)

https://www.throttlextreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Rat-Rod-spin-wheels-on-dirty-road.jpg

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 9/6/2023 9:38 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
> > Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >> On 5 Sep 2023 15:54:03 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Ken Blake <Ken@invalid.news.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Mon, 4 Sep 2023 17:45:58 +0100, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
> >>>> wrote:
[...]
> >>>>> OK, by NOS, i meant new old stock, rather than second hand or "seller
> >>>>> refurbished" whatever that means ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> It's almost always best to avoid using abbreviations in newsgroups,
> >>>> except for very common ones like USA, UK, etc.
> >>>>
> >>>> I didn't know what you meant by NOS, and I suspect that lots of others
> >>>> here also didn't
> >>>
> >>> In this case it isn't unambiguous, but doing a 'define: NOS' in Google
> >>> gets you close:
> >>>
> >>> "What is NOS in business" -> "New old stock" ->
> >>>
> >>> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/New_old_stock>
> >>>
> >>> A search in Wikipedia gives the same result.
> >>
> >>
> >> It's generally true that when I see an unknown abbreviation, a search
> >> will find what it means. I sometimes do that, but rarely.
> >>
> >> But as far as I'm concerned, that doesn't matter. My point is simple:
> >> the person who posts should not make extra work for his readers. It's
> >> the writer's responsibility to make what he writes understandable, not
> >> the reader's to have to figure it out.
> >
> > BUT, especially on Usenet and especially in these technical groups, we
> > use loads of abbreviations. This was just a new one for you (and me), so
> > if we want to know what it means, we investigate or ask and move on. No
> > reason to tell someone what abbreviation (s)he can and cannot use.
> >
> > OTOH, AFAIK/AFAICT/AFAIR/IIRC, YMMV/YMWV.
> >
> > BTW, what's your OS, CPU, RAM, SDD, HDD, etc.?
> >
> > QED, HTH, HAND, EOD, NP.
>
> I think it's faster than yours.

I'm sure it is, but I can take mine with me when I'm out and about and
he can't, so there you go!

> I expect you two, to settle this in the parking lot, with some burnouts.
> (Rotate tires rapidly making lots of tire smoke. You know, hotrodder stuff.)
>
> https://www.throttlextreme.com/wp-content/uploads/2021/01/Rat-Rod-spin-wheels-on-dirty-road.jpg

I know all about that! I watch (sometimes at the circuit) INDYCAR,
NASCAR and F1 (Damn! More pesky abbreviations!), where they're often
doing 'doughnuts' at the end of a race.

Anyway, my OS can beat up his OS, so no competition whatsoever!

Ken Blake wrote:
> winston wrote:
>
>> Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
>> sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
>> station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for
>> a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster.
>> - the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
>> the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
>> pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
>> Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
>> up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
>> the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
>
>
> Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's
> classical guitar, not electric.
>

Iirc, we had this conversation some time ago.

Lot of intstruments in my life.
Started on Sax, Piano, and electric(teenage years), some classical-
traded tutoring in Differential Equations for Aria guitar, still have it
and acoustic(undergrad, post grad).

Since then mostly acoustic(Guild - D50, Martins 000-28 and D-41, and a
Fender) and electric(Gibson, the Fender Tele, and a Heritage)

The Heritage(special order, one of one ever built) was made by the
employees that bought the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, MI when Gibson
moved all ops to Nashville.

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On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 14:20:02 -0400, "...winston"
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>Ken Blake wrote:
>> winston wrote:
>>
>>> Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
>>> sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
>>> station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for
>>> a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster.
>>> - the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
>>> the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
>>> pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
>>> Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
>>> up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
>>> the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
>>
>>
>> Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's
>> classical guitar, not electric.
>>
>
>Iirc, we had this conversation some time ago.

Could be. At this stage in my life (I'll soon be 86), I easily forget
many things--including all the classical guitar pieces I learn. ;-)

>Lot of intstruments in my life.

I also used to play banjo, mandolin, and recorders,

>Started on Sax, Piano, and electric(teenage years), some classical-
>traded tutoring in Differential Equations for Aria guitar, still have it
>and acoustic(undergrad, post grad).
>
>Since then mostly acoustic(Guild - D50, Martins 000-28 and D-41,

I still have a Martin D-35, but I never play it these days.

> and a
>Fender) and electric(Gibson, the Fender Tele, and a Heritage)
>
>The Heritage(special order, one of one ever built) was made by the
>employees that bought the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, MI when Gibson
>moved all ops to Nashville.

Ken Blake wrote:
> On Sat, 16 Sep 2023 14:20:02 -0400, "...winston"
> <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake wrote:
>>> winston wrote:
>>>
>>>> Years ago(1990) , I traded a 1953 Buick Special Water Pump[and $200}
>>>> sitting on the shelf in a then closed Connecticut garage/gas
>>>> station(took three months to find it through a network of gearheads) for
>>>> a dusty(hanging on the wall in a hardware store) 1954 Fender Telecaster.
>>>> - the hardware store owner had the Buick, I asked what he wanted for
>>>> the guitar. We settled on the cash after I notified I had the water
>>>> pump. Shipping cost and travel for all parts and the guitar to the
>>>> Custom Fender Shop cost ~$700. Most of that cost was to Fender to clean
>>>> up, install a few wires, a pot, two new frets and resolder and validate
>>>> the authenticity. Still have the guitar.
>>>
>>>
>>> Do you play guitar? I didn't know that? I also play guitar, but it's
>>> classical guitar, not electric.
>>>
>>
>> Iirc, we had this conversation some time ago.
>
>
> Could be. At this stage in my life (I'll soon be 86), I easily forget
> many things--including all the classical guitar pieces I learn. ;-)
>
>
>> Lot of intstruments in my life.
>
>
> I also used to play banjo, mandolin, and recorders,
>
>> Started on Sax, Piano, and electric(teenage years), some classical-
>> traded tutoring in Differential Equations for Aria guitar, still have it
>> and acoustic(undergrad, post grad).
>>
>> Since then mostly acoustic(Guild - D50, Martins 000-28 and D-41,
>
> I still have a Martin D-35, but I never play it these days.
>
>> and a
>> Fender) and electric(Gibson, the Fender Tele, and a Heritage)
>>
>> The Heritage(special order, one of one ever built) was made by the
>> employees that bought the Gibson factory in Kalamazoo, MI when Gibson
>> moved all ops to Nashville.

Nothing like breaking out the Gibson or Heritage with humbucker in the
on position and jamming to a crunch version of the Cranberries "Zombie".

In your neck of the woods, the D35 should be humidified regularly or in
a room with 40-60% humidity at 70 deg. F.

And if built before 1985(when Martin finally started using adjustable
truss rods), checked regularly for humidity and periodically for
acceptable neck relief(concavity, 0.5-1.25 mm) and intonation.

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