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* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
+* Windows 32-bitMarco Moock
|`* Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
| +* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| |+* Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||`* Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| || +- Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| || `* Windows 32-bitChar Jackson
| ||  `* Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| ||   +* Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||   |`* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   | `- Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
| ||   +* Windows 32-bitBob F
| ||   |`* Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| ||   | `* Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||   |  +* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   |  |`* Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||   |  | `* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   |  |  `* Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||   |  |   `* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   |  |    `- Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||   |  `* Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| ||   |   +* Windows 32-bitChar Jackson
| ||   |   |`* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   |   | `* Windows 32-bitChar Jackson
| ||   |   |  `* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   |   |   `* Windows 32-bitChar Jackson
| ||   |   |    +* Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| ||   |   |    |`- Windows 32-bitChar Jackson
| ||   |   |    `* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
| ||   |   |     `- Windows 32-bitPaul
| ||   |   `- Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| ||   `- Windows 32-bitChar Jackson
| |+* Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
| ||`* Windows 32-bitZaidy036
| || +* Windows 32-bitFrank Slootweg
| || |`- Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| || +- Windows 32-bitDaniel65
| || `- Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
| |`* Windows 32-bitKeith Thompson
| | `* Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| |  `* Windows 32-bitKeith Thompson
| |   `- Windows 32-bitJohn Hall
| `* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
|  `- Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
+* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
|+- Windows 32-bitGlowingBlueMist
|`* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
| +- Windows 32-bitPaul
| `- Windows 32-bitSailfish
+* Windows 32-bitFrank Slootweg
|`* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
| `* Windows 32-bitFrank Slootweg
|  `* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
|   +* Windows 32-bitFrank Slootweg
|   |`* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
|   | +- Windows 32-bitFrank Slootweg
|   | `* Windows 32-bitTim Slattery
|   |  `* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
|   |   +* Windows 32-bitPaul
|   |   |`- Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
|   |   `* Windows 32-bitDaniel65
|   |    +* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
|   |    |+* Windows 32-bitPaul
|   |    ||`* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
|   |    || `* Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
|   |    ||  `- Windows 32-bitFrank Slootweg
|   |    |`- Windows 32-bitDaniel65
|   |    `* Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
|   |     `- Windows 32-bitPaul
|   `* Windows 32-bitTim Slattery
|    `- Windows 32-bitKerr-Mudd, John
+* Windows 32-bitRalph Fox
|`* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
| +- Windows 32-bitRalph Fox
| `* Windows 32-bitPaul
|  `- Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
+* Windows 32-bitPaul
|`* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
| +* Windows 32-bitPaul
| |+* Windows 32-bitJava Jive
| ||+- Windows 32-bitPaul
| ||`* Windows 32-bitPaul
| || `* Windows 32-bitJava Jive
| ||  `* Windows 32-bitPaul
| ||   `* Windows 32-bitJava Jive
| ||    `* Windows 32-bitJava Jive
| ||     `- Windows 32-bitJava Jive
| |`- Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
| `- Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
`* Windows 32-bitJava Jive
 +* Windows 32-bitRalph Fox
 |`- Windows 32-bitSjouke Burry
 `* Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes
  `* Windows 32-bitPaul
   +* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
   |`* Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
   | `* Windows 32-bitPaul
   |  `* Windows 32-bitJ. P. Gilliver
   |   `- Windows 32-bitMark Lloyd
   `- Windows 32-bitSteve Hayes

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Re: Windows 32-bit

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From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org (Daniel65)
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 by: Daniel65 - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 09:40 UTC

John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
> <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes

<Snip>

>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>
> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock.
> Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock
> rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south.

Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
south' at Noon!! ;-P

> And of course if you went by "sun time", places on different
> longitudes that are currently within the same time zone would be
> setting their clocks to different times, as happened prior to the
> middle of the 19th century.

And, going the other way, isn't all of Russia (and, possibly, all of PR
of China) all on one Time setting??
--
Daniel

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 10:07 UTC

In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023 20:40:52,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
>><bobnospam@gmail.com> writes
>
><Snip>
>
>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock.
>>Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock
>>rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south.
>
>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>
>> And of course if you went by "sun time", places on different
>> longitudes that are currently within the same time zone would be
>> setting their clocks to different times, as happened prior to the
>> middle of the 19th century.
>
>And, going the other way, isn't all of Russia (and, possibly, all of PR
>of China) all on one Time setting??

I could see justification for the whole planet to use the same clock;
it'll never happen, though, as for any one suggestion, there will be far
more people/places/whatever who would have to change than not. To a
small extent, GMT (or UCT I think) _is_ that, and is used in scientific
circles.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

Anybody can garble quotations like that -- even with the Bible... Er... "And he
went and hanged himself (Matthew 27:5). Go, and do thou likewise (Luke 10:37)."

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: Sailfish - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:01 UTC

Steve Hayes graced us with on 11/18/2023 8:43 PM:
> On Fri, 17 Nov 2023 13:36:41 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
> <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>> As others have said, new machines have hardware for which '7 drivers do
>> not exist. Virtual machines, though, emulate hardware for which -
>> obviously - drivers do exist. There might be _some_ difficulty in
>> "passing through" the host OS, so you can access e. g. USB ports
>> (assuming the new machine even has any USB2 ones), though I think these
>> are surmountable.
>
> Yes, that is one of the things I want to know.
>
> If I can find a 32-bit Win7 or Win-10 machine, that would be my
> preference, but if I can't, I want to know what a Virtual Box can and
> cannot do, preferably from someone who had used or is using one.
>
I have VBox with WinXP and a few programs that I still cherish but
seldom use like After Dark Disney Edition and a 16bit Winsock DNS lookup
utility and they both work.
>
> I do have a Windows version of one such DOS program, and have
> converted some files, but not others, as the DOS version is more
> powerful and has more functionality.

> And then the question is: how well does that complete system interact
> with the host system?
>
> Is it possible to have the programs on the emulator and the data on
> the host system? Can one copy and paste between them?
>
Yes, while it does offer limited DVD support, I can't say how reliable
USB support is since I've not used it. Mostly, I created a Shared Shared
folders via Devices menu to share my Win7 data folders so I can xfr data
between them.

--
Sailfish
CDC Covid19 Trends: https://www.facebook.com/groups/624208354841034
Rare Mozilla Stuff: http://tinyurl.com/z86x3sg

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 by: Java Jive - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 12:45 UTC

On 19/11/2023 23:59, Java Jive wrote:
>
> On 19/11/2023 22:56, Paul wrote:
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20191216124401/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/HyperV/IE11/IE11.Win7.HyperV.zip
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20191216124401if_/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/HyperV/IE11/IE11.Win7.HyperV.zip
>>
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190824211320/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
>>
>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190824211320if_/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
>
> I've left them going on my NAS, will report back to-morrow.

All failed, at least one I checked was indeed around the 2GB mark.

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 by: Daniel65 - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 13:26 UTC

J. P. Gilliver wrote on 20/11/23 9:07 pm:
> In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me> at Mon, 20 Nov 2023
> 20:40:52, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>> John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
>>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
>>> <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the
>>> clock. Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on
>>> the clock rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due
>>> south.
>>
>> Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like
>> 'due south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>
>>> And of course if you went by "sun time", places on different
>>> longitudes that are currently within the same time zone would be
>>> setting their clocks to different times, as happened prior to
>>> the middle of the 19th century.
>>
>> And, going the other way, isn't all of Russia (and, possibly, all
>> of PR of China) all on one Time setting??
>
> I could see justification for the whole planet to use the same clock;
> it'll never happen, though, as for any one suggestion, there will be
> far more people/places/whatever who would have to change than not. To
> a small extent, GMT (or UCT I think) _is_ that, and is used in
> scientific circles.

GMT used in Communications cycles as well ..... and renamed to Zulu for
Military Communications as well!!
--
Daniel

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 14:11 UTC

In message <ujfmq3$auhr$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 00:26:27,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>J. P. Gilliver wrote on 20/11/23 9:07 pm:
[]
>> I could see justification for the whole planet to use the same
>>clock;
>> it'll never happen, though, as for any one suggestion, there will be
>> far more people/places/whatever who would have to change than not. To
>> a small extent, GMT (or UCT I think) _is_ that, and is used in
>> scientific circles.
>
>GMT used in Communications cycles as well ..... and renamed to Zulu for
>Military Communications as well!!

I think that originated from GMT being "+0000", or zero offset - and
zulu being the international phonetic alphabet for Z.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

The first banjo solo I played was actually just a series of mistakes. In fact
it was all the mistakes I knew at the time. - Tim Dowling, RT2015/6/20-26

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: Java Jive - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 15:19 UTC

On 20/11/2023 12:45, Java Jive wrote:
>
> On 19/11/2023 23:59, Java Jive wrote:
>>
>> On 19/11/2023 22:56, Paul wrote:
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20191216124401/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/HyperV/IE11/IE11.Win7.HyperV.zip
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20191216124401if_/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/HyperV/IE11/IE11.Win7.HyperV.zip
>>>
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190824211320/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
>>>
>>> https://web.archive.org/web/20190824211320if_/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
>>
>>
>> I've left them going on my NAS, will report back to-morrow.
>
> All failed, at least one I checked was indeed around the 2GB mark.

We seem to need more information to find out what really has gone / is
going wrong here, so ...

1) The logical approach:

The following link gives us the captures for these URLS ...

https://web.archive.org/web/*/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102*

.... and for the first file of your two pairs of download links above ...

https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/HyperV/IE11/IE11.Win7.HyperV.zip

.... there were 2 captures - Dec 16, 2019 and Jul 12, 2022 - with 0
duplicates and 2 uniques, so an alternative URL for the same file is ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20220712131421/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/HyperV/IE11/IE11.Win7.HyperV.zip

.... but that failed immediately.

Similarly, for the second file ...

https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip

... there were 8 captures with 6 duplicates and 2 uniques, so alternative
URLs for the same download are ...

https://web.archive.org/web/20190824211351/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
https://web.archive.org/web/20190830062021/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
https://web.archive.org/web/20190830062208/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
https://web.archive.org/web/20190830105630/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
https://web.archive.org/web/20190831051451/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
https://web.archive.org/web/20191127032205/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip
https://web.archive.org/web/20220712131429/https://az792536.vo.msecnd.net/vms/VMBuild_20180102/VirtualBox/IE11/IE11.Win7.VirtualBox.zip

.... of which the last also failed immediately.

So, in short, it doesn't look as though any of these so-called captures
actually worked, and the resulting downloads are corrupt and useless.

2) The brain-storm approach, wherein I throw a thought out there in
case someone else can pick it up and run with it:

It's not going to help with the now corrupted downloads, but if, as
claimed by the index, the truncated files are exactly 2GB-1 bytes long,
how did that happen? If it had been 4GB-1 then that would have been
explicable as someone using a FAT32 storage media somewhere in the
chain, but 2GB-1? I know of no disk format or other simple explanation
for that. For reference, the maximum file sizes supported by different
disk formats are listed here ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File_size#Maximum_size

.... but while there are 2GB limits - FAT16 without LFS, HFS, and HPFS
- there are no 2GB-1 limits.

ISTR that Samba on Linux had a 2GB or so file size limit in v2, but that
was over a decade ago, maybe even two decades ago, surely no-one in any
serious setup would still be using v2?

--

Fake news kills!

I may be contacted via the contact address given on my website:
www.macfh.co.uk

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: John Hall - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23 UTC

In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
<daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
>><bobnospam@gmail.com> writes
>
><Snip>
>
>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock.
>>Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock
>>rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south.
>
>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>south' at Noon!! ;-P
<snip>

Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: Char Jackson - Mon, 20 Nov 2023 20:45 UTC

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 08:55:48 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

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><none@none.invalid> writes
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>>
>>>In message <uj9sj0$38ddd$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>>>J. P. Gilliver wrote on 18/11/23 5:04 am:
>>>>> In message <sxN5N.46596$AqO5.22600@fx11.iad> at Fri, 17 Nov 2023
>>>>>11:37:28, Mark Lloyd <not.email@all.invalid> writes []
>>>>>> 38 days until the winter celebration (Monday, December 25, 2023
>>>>>> 12:00 AM for 1 day).
>>>>> [] Is "12:00 AM" syntactically valid?
>>>>
>>>>Surely one of the '12:00' would be 'AM' .... but whether that is
>>>>'Midnight' or 'Midday' ..... Pass!
>>>
>>>I often see references to 12 AM and 12 PM, and I'm sometimes left
>>>uncertain as to whether noon or midnight was meant. Use of the 24-hour
>>>clock (or simply using the words "noon" and "midnight") avoids any
>>>ambiguity.
>>
>>I don't think I've ever met anyone (until now?) who found 12 AM and 12 PM to be
>>ambiguous. Interesting.
>>
>
>AM stands for "ante meridiem" and PM for "post meridiem", i.e. before
>and after midday respectively. But 12 noon is neither before nor after,
>so logically it should be 12 M. Midnight is both 12 hours before and 12
>hours post, but I suppose it would be more logical to call it 12 PM (or
>maybe 0 AM).

I think most people learned how to tell time when they were young kids, long
before any ambiguity could set in. Learning the difference between 12A and 12P
is part of that. It's like learning the difference between a red traffic light
and a green one. There's nothing inherently logical about the color assignments,
but we learn them and we carry on.

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: Char Jackson - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 05:00 UTC

On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
>>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
>>><bobnospam@gmail.com> writes
>>
>><Snip>
>>
>>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>>> Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock.
>>>Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock
>>>rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south.
>>
>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
><snip>
>
>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?

I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would describe
the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due
south.

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: Daniel65 - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:20 UTC

J. P. Gilliver wrote on 21/11/23 1:11 am:
> In message <ujfmq3$auhr$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023
> 00:26:27, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>> J. P. Gilliver wrote on 20/11/23 9:07 pm:
> []
>>> I could see justification for the whole planet to use the same
>>> clock; it'll never happen, though, as for any one suggestion,
>>> there will be far more people/places/whatever who would have to
>>> change than not. To a small extent, GMT (or UCT I think) _is_
>>> that, and is used in scientific circles.
>>
>> GMT used in Communications cycles as well ..... and renamed to
>> Zulu for Military Communications as well!!
>
> I think that originated from GMT being "+0000", or zero offset - and
> zulu being the international phonetic alphabet for Z.

Correct .... but, in a Military situation, where you could be
communicating across Time Zones, without actually knowing what the
originating and destination time zones are, Zulu (i.e. GMT) was often
the reference Time zone with both ends of the Comms link making the
appropriate adjustment to 'Local' Time!!

Here in Victoria, Australia (bottom end of the globe!!), we are
currently in Daylight Savings Time, so would be using 'Lima' time
references but our 'normal' Time Zone is 'Kilo'
--
Daniel

Re: Windows 32-bit

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From: daniel47@nomail.afraid.org (Daniel65)
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Subject: Re: Windows 32-bit
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 by: Daniel65 - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 09:22 UTC

John Hall wrote on 21/11/23 5:23 am:
> In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
> <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>> John Hall wrote on 20/11/23 8:38 am:
>>> In message <ujdo3p$3u7fg$1@dont-email.me>, Bob F
>>> <bobnospam@gmail.com> writes
>>
>> <Snip>
>>
>>>> So how is that affected by daylight savings time?
>>>  Not art all, since we are dealing with time as shown on the clock.
>>> Even when daylight savings time isn't in force, noon on the clock
>>> rarely precisely corresponds to when the sun is due south.
>>
>> Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>> south' at Noon!! ;-P
> <snip>
>
> Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?

Correct!! .... The Great Southern Land .... Australia
--
Daniel

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:08 UTC

In message <ujhsp1$p740$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023 20:20:34,
Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>J. P. Gilliver wrote on 21/11/23 1:11 am:
>> In message <ujfmq3$auhr$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023
>>00:26:27, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
[]
>>> GMT used in Communications cycles as well ..... and renamed to
>>> Zulu for Military Communications as well!!
>> I think that originated from GMT being "+0000", or zero offset - and
>>zulu being the international phonetic alphabet for Z.
>
>Correct .... but, in a Military situation, where you could be
>communicating across Time Zones, without actually knowing what the
>originating and destination time zones are, Zulu (i.e. GMT) was often
>the reference Time zone with both ends of the Comms link making the
>appropriate adjustment to 'Local' Time!!
>
>Here in Victoria, Australia (bottom end of the globe!!), we are
>currently in Daylight Savings Time, so would be using 'Lima' time
>references but our 'normal' Time Zone is 'Kilo'

Interesting: I knew about Z for zero, but didn't know all the other time
zones had a letter too.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

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In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
[]
>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>><snip>
>>
>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>
>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would describe
>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due
>south.
>
It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
and then on only two days a year.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

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truth over time. - Scott Adams, 2015-2-2

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 by: Daniel65 - Tue, 21 Nov 2023 12:15 UTC

J. P. Gilliver wrote on 21/11/23 9:08 pm:
> In message <ujhsp1$p740$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023
> 20:20:34, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>> J. P. Gilliver wrote on 21/11/23 1:11 am:
>>> In message <ujfmq3$auhr$1@dont-email.me> at Tue, 21 Nov 2023
>>> 00:26:27, Daniel65 <daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
> []
>>>> GMT used in Communications cycles as well ..... and renamed to
>>>> Zulu for Military Communications as well!!
>>> I think that originated from GMT being "+0000", or zero offset -
>>> and zulu being the international phonetic alphabet for Z.
>>
>> Correct .... but, in a Military situation, where you could be
>> communicating across Time Zones, without actually knowing what the
>> originating and destination time zones are, Zulu (i.e. GMT) was
>> often the reference Time zone with both ends of the Comms link
>> making the appropriate adjustment to 'Local' Time!!
>>
>> Here in Victoria, Australia (bottom end of the globe!!), we are
>> currently in Daylight Savings Time, so would be using 'Lima' time
>> references but our 'normal' Time Zone is 'Kilo'
>
> Interesting: I knew about Z for zero, but didn't know all the other
> time zones had a letter too.

Yeap .... 26 letters .... drop 'O' and 'I' to limit confusion with '0'
and '1' ... leaves you with 24 letters .... for 24 time zones.
--
Daniel

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 by: Char Jackson - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:59 UTC

On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>[]
>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>><snip>
>>>
>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>>
>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would describe
>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due
>>south.
>>
>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
>and then on only two days a year.

The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at
midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)

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In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov
2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall
>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>[]
>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>>><snip>
>>>>
>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>>>
>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would
>>>describe
>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due
>>>south.
>>>
>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
>>and then on only two days a year.
>
>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at
>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)
>
I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean
"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for
anyone not between the two tropics.
--
J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/<1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf

You know what the big secret about posh people is? Most of them are lovely.
- Richard Osman, RT 2016/7/9-15

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 by: Char Jackson - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 08:38 UTC

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:

>In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov
>2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
>>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall
>>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>>[]
>>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>>>>
>>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would
>>>>describe
>>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say it was due
>>>>south.
>>>>
>>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
>>>and then on only two days a year.
>>
>>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at
>>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)
>>
>I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean
>"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for
>anyone not between the two tropics.

We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is
approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't
make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.

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 by: John Hall - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:11 UTC

In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com>, Char Jackson
<none@none.invalid> writes
>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>
>>In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov
>>2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>
>>>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
>>>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall
>>>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>>>[]
>>>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>>>>>
>>>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would
>>>>>describe
>>>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say
>>>>>it was due
>>>>>south.
>>>>>
>>>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
>>>>and then on only two days a year.
>>>
>>>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at
>>>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)
>>>
>>I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean
>>"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for
>>anyone not between the two tropics.
>
>We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is
>approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't
>make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.
>

I'm with the other John on this. Would you say that an aeroplane was
"overhead" if it was merely at its highest angular elevation above your
horizon? Also, even by your definition, if you are north of the Arctic
Circle then the sun won't be "overhead" at midday every day of the year,
as for part of the year it will never be visible.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

Re: Windows 32-bit

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 by: J. P. Gilliver - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:28 UTC

In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com> at Wed, 22 Nov
2023 02:38:39, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
[]
>We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is
>approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't
>make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.
>
Ah. Some people add a word - "directly overhead". I'd call your version
"at its highest", not "overhead".
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Do ministers do more than lay people?

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 by: Paul - Wed, 22 Nov 2023 15:12 UTC

On 11/22/2023 5:28 AM, J. P. Gilliver wrote:
> In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com> at Wed, 22 Nov 2023 02:38:39, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
> []
>> We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is
>> approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't
>> make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.
>>
> Ah. Some people add a word - "directly overhead". I'd call your version "at its highest", not "overhead".

https://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/sunandseasons.html

"If you live at a mid-northern latitude, you always see the noon sun somewhere in the southern sky."

There are a few terms like "zenith" and "meridian" on the diagram.

https://physics.weber.edu/schroeder/ua/SunOnCelestialSphere.png

The stick man in the diagram, is from a country known as Cartesia.
And he is just visiting the diagram, and does not live there. Presumably
the students in the Weber physics lecture hall, are from Cartesia too.

Paul

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 by: Char Jackson - Thu, 23 Nov 2023 05:08 UTC

On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 10:11:48 +0000, John Hall <john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:

>In message <3merlitvuo7i8a6sjoa9vnjfdglhp6djso@4ax.com>, Char Jackson
><none@none.invalid> writes
>>On Wed, 22 Nov 2023 05:02:51 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver" <G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>
>>>In message <ofrqlidg6aftkj03vts05255cvg6uil099@4ax.com> at Tue, 21 Nov
>>>2023 20:59:33, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>>On Tue, 21 Nov 2023 10:12:14 +0000, "J. P. Gilliver"
>>>><G6JPG@255soft.uk> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>In message <38eoli9gt1t7jqlao7duhnckl4sh1186tb@4ax.com> at Mon, 20 Nov
>>>>>2023 23:00:29, Char Jackson <none@none.invalid> writes
>>>>>>On Mon, 20 Nov 2023 18:23:45 +0000, John Hall
>>>>>><john_nospam@jhall.co.uk> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>In message <ujf9j4$8v0s$1@dont-email.me>, Daniel65
>>>>>>><daniel47@nomail.afraid.org> writes
>>>>>[]
>>>>>>>>Bloody Hell!! I'd be in real trouble if the sun were anything like 'due
>>>>>>>>south' at Noon!! ;-P
>>>>>>><snip>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>Presumably you're in the southern hemisphere?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>I don't know about him but I'm in the northern hemisphere and I would
>>>>>>describe
>>>>>>the sun as being overhead at midday, but I certainly wouldn't say
>>>>>>it was due
>>>>>>south.
>>>>>>
>>>>>It'll only be overhead if you're south of the tropic of cancer (~23½ºN),
>>>>>and then on only two days a year.
>>>>
>>>>The nice thing about being well north of there is that the sun is overhead at
>>>>midday every day of the year. None of this due south business. ;-)
>>>>
>>>I think you're using the word "overhead" differently to me. Do you mean
>>>"above the horizon"? I mean "directly above me", which it never is for
>>>anyone not between the two tropics.
>>
>>We're definitely using 'overhead' differently. For me, it's when the sun is
>>approximately at its highest point in the sky for the day. Your usage doesn't
>>make sense to me, and I assume you'd say the same about me/mine.
>>
>
>I'm with the other John on this.

Could be a UK thing, I suppose.

>Would you say that an aeroplane was
>"overhead" if it was merely at its highest angular elevation above your
>horizon?

Of course, but it's not necessary to stray away from the example of the sun.
Each of us is aware that the sun rises, moves through the sky, and eventually
sets.

>Also, even by, your definition, if you are north of the Arctic
>Circle then the sun won't be "overhead" at midday every day of the year,
>as for part of the year it will never be visible.

Another stretch.

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 by: Steve Hayes - Fri, 29 Dec 2023 07:49 UTC

On 19 Nov 2023 19:34:29 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
wrote:

>Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> On 17 Nov 2023 16:16:59 GMT, Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Steve Hayes <hayesstw@telkomsa.net> wrote:
>> >> Someone stole my laptop computer, and I'm beginning to be concerned
>> >> that it may be irreplaceable.
>> >>
>> >> It was running Windows 7, 32-bit, and it seems that most, if not all,
>> >> laptops sold nowadays with Windows installed are 64-bit, which means
>> >> they won't run a lot of my software, and that means that they won't
>> >> allow me to access a lot of the research data I have collected over
>> >> the last 30 years.
>> >
>> > 64-bit Windows systems can run 32-bit software/programs just fine, so
>> >I think you mean you (also) have *16-bit* software/programs which you
>> >need to run. Correct?
>>
>> Yes, and 8-bit ones too. 32-bit Windows runs those just fine, at least
>> all the ones I use regularly. There are some it doesn't, but that's a
>> hardware rather than an O/S problem, something to do with clock speed.
>> Programs written in TurboPascal, for example, won't run on faster
>> machines.
>
> "8-bit ones" sounds a bit strange, because all (IBM-like) PCs have
>always been 16-bit. But perhaps you mean byte-level interpretive code or
>some such. Can you give some more details about these "8-bit ones"?

I think early programs running on IBM PC DOS or MS DOS were 8-bit,
running on 8088 processors. The 286 and 386 ones were 16-bit.

>
> Anyway, about this software, has it been written for Windows 1.x, 2.x,
>3.0, 3.1, etc. and was running on 32-bit Windows 7? If so, WineVDM
>mentioned by Ralph Fox may be a solution. Like Ralph, I have no
>experience with WineVDM, but looking at the documentation, it seems that
>it might fit the bill.
>
> Another question: Are these really windows programs, i.e. GUI programs
>which actually use windows and run in windows (note: lower case 'w',
>i.e. the technology, not the (Microsoft) prodoct) or are they programs
>which may use graphics, but run in a Command Prompt window?

Now sure what you mean there.

One Windows program, a Calendar program, which runs in 32-bit Windows,
but not 64-bit, so it must have been written for 16-bit Windows.

Anyway, I have now acquired a 2nd-hand Dell with a 30-bit Windows 10
OS, and my DOS programs appear to run on it, so I'm not going to need
VirtualBox just yet.

But thanks to everyone who replied on the Windows question (the time
discussion was less useful).

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 by: Steve Hayes - Fri, 29 Dec 2023 07:54 UTC

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 13:52:22 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
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>When dealing with virtual machines, you want a good supply of RAM for
>this. Modern machines make it pretty easy to get quantities of RAM.
>For example, W11 Host specifies 4GB of RAM, a W11 Virtual machine, would
>use 4GB of RAM. That is 8GB already, and I don't have a browser open yet.
>The next multiple for RAM, is 16GB.

Thanks, yes, that's one of the thinks I wanted to know. Most starter
Win 11 machines have 4Gig RAM and I was thinking one might need at
least twice that to run a piggy-back virual OS on top of it.

But, as I mentioned elsewhere, I've managed to get a 2nd-hand machine
with Win 10 32-bit, so I'll see how well that works.

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 by: Steve Hayes - Fri, 29 Dec 2023 07:59 UTC

On Sun, 19 Nov 2023 03:17:28 -0500, Paul <nospam@needed.invalid>
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>Also, if you go the virtual machine route, you have to be careful to
>make backups of your virtual machine file. Microsoft does not provide
>high quality support for activation issues with virtual machines. You
>can ask the poster "T" (todd), regarding what happened to his
>virtual machine that was activated. He could not get Microsoft to help
>him, and restore his activation. Backing up the container,
>is to provide a means to roll back and regain your activation.
>Not all activation issues can be fixed that way, but some of them can.

Once again, thanks for all the information, and especially this. Saved
for if I ever have to go the VM route.

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