A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
get the same problem here.
When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
"I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.

Ed

On 11/7/2023 5:50 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
> A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I get the same problem here.
> When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
>
> Ed

Yes

There is a huge spamming campaign being conducted through Google Groups.

The spammers were sending *ten thousand* spam posts a day, to comp.lang.c ,
before GG closed the group to posting.

The tick box is intended to stop "naive automation", where the attack
is done with nothing more than HTML stuff.

The humans posting spam this morning, are having no problem with the challenge.

Next up, Google switches to a torrent of Fire Hydrants and Bicycle Captchas.
The foreigners are completely baffled by the bicycles, because
they only drive posh automobiles.

What will Googles next parlor trick be ?

Will Google pull a rabbit from a hat ? "Nothing up my sleeve!"

https://wiltme2.files.wordpress.com/2011/12/rocky_bullwinkle.jpg

It remains to be seen, how Google thinks it can solve this problem
it has created, with tiny bandaids. Maybe two dialog boxes with
two boxes to tick. Or, a cavalcade of boxes, until the OS
runs out of windows (500 or so) :-) Now, this idea, I like :-)
Would you click 500 times, to post your spam to GG ?
I know I would.

Paul

Paul wrote:

[snip]

>
> It remains to be seen, how Google thinks it can solve this problem
> it has created, with tiny bandaids. Maybe two dialog boxes with
> two boxes to tick. Or, a cavalcade of boxes, until the OS
> runs out of windows (500 or so) :-) Now, this idea, I like :-)
> Would you click 500 times, to post your spam to GG ?
> I know I would.

Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses such
as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges. I note that Google
does not check against blacklists.

There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6.

--
Graham J

On 2023-11-07 15:21, Graham J wrote:
> Paul wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
>>
>> It remains to be seen, how Google thinks it can solve this problem
>> it has created, with tiny bandaids. Maybe two dialog boxes with
>> two boxes to tick. Or, a cavalcade of boxes, until the OS
>> runs out of windows (500 or so) :-) Now, this idea, I like :-)
>> Would you click 500 times, to post your spam to GG ?
>> I know I would.
>
> Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses such
> as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges.  I note that Google
> does not check against blacklists.
>
> There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6.

Why? :-?

If you are going to say because everybody will have fixed IPs, and thus
identified, I'll say that there are ISPs which announced they would give
users dynamic IPv6 addresses. Fixed would cost extra.

Daft, eh?

Telefónica, which is my ISP back home (I'm not at my regular address
now), invited people to participate in a Beta program to test IPv6. And
yes, the IPs were dynamic. We complained. They switched to fixed, but I
don't know if the change will be permanent.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
> On 11/7/2023 5:50 AM, Ed Cryer wrote:
>> A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
>> get the same problem here.
>> When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
>> "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
>>
>> Ed
>
> Yes
>
> There is a huge spamming campaign being conducted through Google Groups.
>
> The spammers were sending *ten thousand* spam posts a day, to comp.lang.c ,
> before GG closed the group to posting.
>
> The tick box is intended to stop "naive automation", where the attack
> is done with nothing more than HTML stuff.
>
> The humans posting spam this morning, are having no problem with the challenge.
>
> Next up, Google switches to a torrent of Fire Hydrants and Bicycle Captchas.
> The foreigners are completely baffled by the bicycles, because
> they only drive posh automobiles.

Actually it's the fire hydrants. How are we supposed to know what a US fire
hydrant looks like?

Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
> get the same problem here.
> When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
> "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.

Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often
spam. Eternal September is a good free option
http://www.eternal-september.org/

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:01:28 -0000 (UTC), in
<uiff8o$1gm6m$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:

>Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>
>Actually it's the fire hydrants. How are we supposed to know what a US fire
>hydrant looks like?

Dare I suggest you ask Google?
--
Jim H

On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:06:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>
> Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
> > A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
> > get the same problem here.
> > When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
> > "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
>
> Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often
> spam. Eternal September is a good free option
> http://www.eternal-september.org/

And news.individual.net is so reasonably priced that it might as well
be free: 10 euro a year. You can pay through Paypal.

Good spam protection, but no binary newsgroups.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On 2023-11-08 16:58, Jim H wrote:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:01:28 -0000 (UTC), in
> <uiff8o$1gm6m$3@dont-email.me>, Chris <ithinkiam@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Actually it's the fire hydrants. How are we supposed to know what a US fire
>> hydrant looks like?
>
> Dare I suggest you ask Google?

:-)

Some days ago Amazon asked me for login with a different browser a
captcha that I could not decipher. I tried a few times. Then I asked for
a voice instead: it came back in English! I'm talking of Amazon Spain.

I could not login.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

Stan Brown wrote on 11/8/23 10:29 AM:
> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:06:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>
>> Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>> A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
>>> get the same problem here.
>>> When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
>>> "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
>>
>> Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often
>> spam. Eternal September is a good free option
>> http://www.eternal-september.org/
>
> And news.individual.net is so reasonably priced that it might as well
> be free: 10 euro a year. You can pay through Paypal.
>
> Good spam protection, but no binary newsgroups.
>
I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited to
customers with a home tax base in Germany.

Though I don't recall if the issue was due to service availability or the
desired method of payment(credit card, Paypal, bank transfer, etc.)

--
....w¡ñ§±¤ñ

....w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:

> I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
> problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
> under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
> to customers with a home tax base in Germany.

I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect
would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
are not an option (unless linked via paypal).

On 2023-11-09 10:05, Andy Burns wrote:
> ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>
>> I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had
>> a problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
>> under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
>> to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
>
> I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
> paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect
> would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
> are not an option (unless linked via paypal).

I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

In message <uii4n4$242ag$1@dont-email.me>, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ
<winstonmvp@gmail.com> writes
>I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
>problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
>under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
>to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
>
>Though I don't recall if the issue was due to service availability or
>the desired method of payment(credit card, Paypal, bank transfer, etc.)

I live in the UK and have never had a problem paying, using Paypal, even
though we are no longer in the EU. Paying by bank transfer also seems to
be an option. ISTR that they used to accept payment by credit card, but
for whatever reason they no longer do so.
--
John Hall
"Acting is merely the art of keeping a large group of people
from coughing."
Sir Ralph Richardson (1902-83)

Carlos E. R. <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
> On 2023-11-09 10:05, Andy Burns wrote:
> > ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> >
> >> I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had
> >> a problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
> >> under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
> >> to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
> >
> > I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
> > paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect
> > would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
> > are not an option (unless linked via paypal).
>
> I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
> bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.

Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.

As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)

Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 01:19:46 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
> problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
> under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited to
> customers with a home tax base in Germany.

As far as I know, that has never been the case. I've
used n.i.n for more years than I can recall, and I've
never been to Germany or had any business dealings
there, apart from n.i.n itself.

It _is_ true that, a decade or so ago, their preferred
method of payment was though some form of direct bank
transfer that was not well known in the US. But they've
been accepting Paypal for quite a few years now, and
that's been trouble free.

--
Stan Brown, Tehachapi, California, USA
https://BrownMath.com/
Shikata ga nai...

On Thu, 9 Nov 2023 01:19:46 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Stan Brown wrote on 11/8/23 10:29 AM:
>> On Wed, 8 Nov 2023 08:06:26 -0000 (UTC), Chris wrote:
>>>
>>> Ed Cryer <ed@somewhere.in.the.uk> wrote:
>>>> A friend of mine uses GG, and he's asked me to look into a problem. I
>>>> get the same problem here.
>>>> When I try to send, I get the catchpa without any images. I click on
>>>> "I'm not a robot", get a big tick, but nothing else.
>>>
>>> Don't use GG. Many automatically killfile posts from GG as it's very often
>>> spam. Eternal September is a good free option
>>> http://www.eternal-september.org/
>>
>> And news.individual.net is so reasonably priced that it might as well
>> be free: 10 euro a year. You can pay through Paypal.
>>
>> Good spam protection, but no binary newsgroups.
>>
>I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
>problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
>under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited to
>customers with a home tax base in Germany.
>
>Though I don't recall if the issue was due to service availability or the
>desired method of payment(credit card, Paypal, bank transfer, etc.)

I have no problem using or paying for news.individual.net here in the
USA. I don't remember how I've paid for it.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote

>> I recall and earlier discussion from a user in another group that had a
>> problem registering or paying for news.individual.net which operates
>> under German law. The comment was related to the service being limited
>> to customers with a home tax base in Germany.
>
> I don't live in Germany, not even in the EU, but I have no problems
> paying for NIN by paypal (bank transfer is also an option but I suspect
> would incur transfer charges from outside the EU). Debit/Credit cards
> are not an option (unless linked via paypal).

How would you pay for any subscription, without giving away your privacy?

Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote

>> I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
>> bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
>
> Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.
>
> As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
> used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
> I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
> still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
>
> Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
> April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
> service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)

The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.

Surrender is easy. Giving up is easy. Losing privacy is easy.

But how do you set up subscription payments _without_ surrendering privacy?

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

> I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
> bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.

There is a reason it has always been easy to lead sheep to slaughter.

They don't put up a fight when they are herded into the slaughterhouse.
It's just too easy for them to walk up that gangplank into the abattoir.

But how do you pay that subscription _without_ surrendering your privacy?

On 2023-11-10 00:23, Wally J wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>
>>> I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
>>> bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
>>
>> Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.
>>
>> As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
>> used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
>> I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
>> still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
>>
>> Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
>> April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
>> service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)
>
> The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.

ROTFL!

>
> Surrender is easy. Giving up is easy. Losing privacy is easy.
>
> But how do you set up subscription payments _without_ surrendering privacy?

Sigh (one more item to annotate into Arlen manias)

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

>> The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.
>
> ROTFL!

I've studied people like you for years, who act like dumb sheep, Carlos.
I think it's interesting you can't even comprehend the subject of privacy.

You don't understand it.
So you ridicule it.

Do you know why you ridiculed the adult concept of privacy, Carlos?
I do.

Wally J <walterjones@invalid.nospam> wrote:
> Frank Slootweg <this@ddress.is.invalid> wrote
>
> >> I pay them via direct bank transfer, which is gratis for me if done via
> >> bank web page. And I don't live in Germany.
> >
> > Same for me. I live in The Netherlands, i.e. part of the EU.
> >
> > As to the requirement to have a home tax base in Germany: That indeed
> > used to be mentioned (on their website), but was never actually needed.
> > I could no longer find it mentioned on their website, but perhaps it's
> > still there somewhere. (If someone finds it, please say exactly where.)
> >
> > Anyway, I registered in July 2003, so over 20 years ago, and from
> > April 1, 2005, News.Individual.Net became a paid (instead of free)
> > service. Worth every one of the 190 Euros! :-)
>
> The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.
>
> Surrender is easy. Giving up is easy. Losing privacy is easy.
>
> But how do you set up subscription payments _without_ surrendering privacy?

Earth to 'Arlen': Read the first (attribution) line of your post, have
a good think and you'll hopefully realize what nonsense you blabbered,
again.

HTH.

HAND. EOD. NI.

On 2023-11-10 03:45, Wally J wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
>>> The problem isn't the cost to your pocket, but the cost to your privacy.
>>
>> ROTFL!
>
> I've studied people like you for years, who act like dumb sheep, Carlos.
> I think it's interesting you can't even comprehend the subject of privacy.
>
> You don't understand it.
> So you ridicule it.
>
> Do you know why you ridiculed the adult concept of privacy, Carlos?
> I do.

Arlen, you are a paranoid.

Probably, you also don't buy anything online because they will know who
you are. You only pay cash.

GOD ALMIGHTY, you are MAD! You are ready to be interned in a mad house!
Paranoid mad!

Not wanting to use an internet service, handled by a helpful individual,
because he will know your real name!

OH MY GOD! DISASTER! I WILl BE KNOWN AND RECOGNIZED!

So what, Arlen? You know my real name, too. What is the problem? I don't
hide.

Or you are a criminal sought by justice internationally.

Or you are on the FBI protection scheme, hiding from the mafia. Do they
know you write on internet?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.

"Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote

| > There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6.
| | Why? :-?
| | If you are going to say because everybody will have fixed IPs, and thus
| identified, I'll say that there are ISPs which announced they would give
| users dynamic IPv6 addresses. Fixed would cost extra.
|

Fixed would also mean that anyone could operate their
own web server. ISPs have historically tried to prevent
that, dividing the Internet into owners and consumers.

On 2023-11-10 14:33, Newyana2 wrote:
> "Carlos E. R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote
>
> | > There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6.
> |
> | Why? :-?
> |
> | If you are going to say because everybody will have fixed IPs, and thus
> | identified, I'll say that there are ISPs which announced they would give
> | users dynamic IPv6 addresses. Fixed would cost extra.
> |
>
> Fixed would also mean that anyone could operate their
> own web server. ISPs have historically tried to prevent
> that, dividing the Internet into owners and consumers.

Yes, of course, I know.

There is a world of features that could open up with IPv6 on fixed
addresses. Instead of mailing your photos to your aunt, you could simply
link to them in your computer. You could work on the same file, shared
between a group of people, using your own computers instead of a public
cloud, thus improving privacy.

But my question is on this paragraph:

> Reputable ISPs will not accept emails from blacklisted IP addresses such as are used by Vodafone within their CGNAT ranges. I note that Google does not check against blacklists.
>
> There's no easy solution until all ISPs use IPV6

Why?

--
Cheers,
Carlos E.R.