On 5/1/2023 9:46 AM, mechanic wrote:
> On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 20:49:12 +0100, Johnny Misco wrote:
>
>> The reason Windows 11 requires enhanced hardware requirements is
>> because there might be plans for the future to increase security.
>> Don't forget Microsoft operating system is under constant attacks
>> by its enemies to destroy its reputation so Microsoft needs to
>> take appropriate actions to protect itself and its reputation.
>
> https://www.pcworld.com/article/394823/why-windows-11-is-leaving-so-many-pcs-behind.html
>
> Virtualisation is the future! Talk of TMP is missing the point.
>
My machine (Win11 compatible), has both fTPM and hardware TPM 2.0.

The hardware TPM 2.0 avoids the "stutter" problem in the fTPM (fixed?).

Well, I've been running Windows 11 for what, a year or so,
and the TPM has not been used even once. It's like a dead
parrot sketch. (This is because the BIOS is set to
UEFI/CSM, for broad compatibility with the "stuff" that
boots on it. Every machine here is an experiment.)

Yet, virtualization is the future. Still waiting for
one of my nested VM attempts to work. Still waiting.
It's supposed to require setting some field somewhere
to "I'm a Host" in your Guest.

The hardware support for nesting, is supposed to be
dead simple. Just three calls for the whole thing.
The trouble starts, with the complex software needed
to make those three simple calls work. For the hosting
software writer, it's no fun at all.

And... that's the future.

At least I got a hint just yesterday, why Task Manager
is no longer accurate. It does NOT list all running
processes any more! Using resmon, I spotted "Memory Compressor"
running and wrote down the PID. Next, I went to Task Manager,
sorted by PID and... no Memory Compressor. Missing.
Cool or what :-/

Progress is a bitch.

Nirvana for a user, is an impossibly complex operating
paradigm for their computer. Or so I'm told by various
flavours of "rainbow boffins" who have been consuming
too many designer drugs. I'll see your tuffi and
raise you a merk and a blogpip. See you in Level 39 Heaven.

Paul

On 5/1/2023 9:38 AM, mechanic wrote:
> On 30 Apr 2023 19:08:20 GMT, Frank Slootweg wrote:
>
>> Exactly. There is no reason, technical or otherwise, that Windows 11
>> could not have been made to run on "older hardware". There is no reason
>> to limit it to only selected new CPUs and only to systems with TPM.
>> These are artificial limitations, meant to sell hardware, period.
>
> Well there's no doubt that developments in security for operating
> systems are being ramped up, with HVCI/VBS features being gradually
> introduced as defaults in new machines. It would be too cynical to
> put that down as purely a sales driven move.
>
> https://www.tomshardware.com/news/windows-11-gaming-benchmarks-performance-vbs-hvci-security
> https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows-hardware/design/device-experiences/oem-vbs
>
> There are always those who look back fondly to the steam-driven
> 16-bit machine era, progress always causes discontent!
>

The OS makes no attempt to summarize "settings and their tradeoffs".

Would a user know that their Sandbox is not enabled ?

Would a user know why their computer is slow ?

Would a user, given Task Manager and Resmon, be able
to figure out what is going on ? Of course not! Virtualization
for the win, no observability tools. Task Manager *lies*
about what is going on.

There isn't even a proper block diagram of the
system for users to look at. The last one was
from early Win10 (like 2015 or so).

I rely on my Kill-O-Watt, to estimate when
evil is being done that Task Manager cannot see.
And this plan of mine, has been in operation
since *before* shit like this started happening.
Originally fitted as an idea, back when surreptitious
Bitcoin Mining on GPUs was a thing (before GPU tab
was added to Task Manager).

And I did detect an anomaly within just the last
two weeks. I could not see it. I could see the
power consumption. A reboot... removed it. Baseline
idle consumption restored. The attack was browser
based, because I saw the screen flash. But with
browser exited, power demand was still there.

Obfuscating OS operation, is not progress. We still
rely on end users, to make observations and take
corrective action.

Paul

Paul wrote:
> Well, I've been running Windows 11 for what, a year or so,
> and the TPM has not been used even once. It's like a dead
> parrot sketch. (This is because the BIOS is set to
> UEFI/CSM, for broad compatibility with the "stuff" that
> boots on it. Every machine here is an experiment.)

>
>    Paul
:)
You probably don't use BitLocker, have a need to provide a
cryptographic key for authentication and/or unlocking encryption,
receive encrypted messages, maintaining SSL certs on websites, or Face
recognition(Windows Hello). Maybe not even using the TPM features in
Outlook, Firefox, Chrome or a PIN for logon[1]

Unlikely someone is going to sneak in grab the device, remove the TPM
chip and try to boot the device.

Beyond confirming that the o/s and firmware on the device are what
they're supposed to be....like many of us, running Win11 with a TPM
capable device, the TPM being present and not really used is the norm.

I use a Pin on Win11 and even on Win10(that device not Win11 capable -
CPU too old, TPM 1.2 chip)

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On Sun, 30 Apr 2023 20:49:12 +0100, Johnny Misco wrote:
> Microsoft doesn't make raw hardware so there is no financial interest as
> far as Microsoft is concerned.

I don't believe that's correct.

They make money by licensing Windows to the various OEMS. Unless they
do so for a flat rate -- which seems unlikely to me -- the more
computers a manufacturer sells, the more money the manufacturer pays
Microsoft.

That's Microsoft's financial interest in seeing hardware increase --
they get license fees without having to manufacture hardware
themselves, and the incremental cost to Microsoft of providing a
license is zero.

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Shikata ga nai...

https://www.bleepingcomputer.com/news/microsoft/microsoft-windows-10-22h2-is-the-final-version-of-windows-10/

>>>
Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.

Windows 10 22H2 reached general availability in October 2022 and
entered broad deployment on November 18, 2022.

All editions of Windows 10 22H2 (Home, Pro, Enterprise, Education, Pro
Education, Pro for Workstations, and IoT Enterprise editions) will
reach their end of servicing in October 2025.

"The current version, 22H2, will be the final version of Windows 10,
and all editions will remain in support with monthly security update
releases though that date," said Jason Leznek, Principal Product
Manager for Windows Servicing and Delivery.

"We highly encourage you to transition to Windows 11 now as there
won't be any additional Windows 10 feature updates."

Users and organizations who must remain on Windows 10 are advised to
upgrade their devices to Windows 10 22H2 to keep receiving monthly
security update releases through October 14, 2025, when Windows 10
reaches its end of support.
<<<

This is why I never hesitated to upgrade to Win11, in 2021. I had a
brand new computer, perfectly suited to the upgrade, and any minor
issues with the initial release were miniscule compared to sticking
with a dated OS. Putting off the upgrade just isn't in my blood, I
like to have new experiences.

--
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On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>

Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
would be the last version of Windows?

Their promises are written on water.

--
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Shikata ga nai...

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>
>Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>would be the last version of Windows?
>
>Their promises are written on water.

It was actually an employee spouting off, who said that particular
thing, not an official announcement by Microsoft. But it is
interesting how much Win10 changed over the course of its existence,
before Win11's release. When I initially upgraded from 7 to 10, on my
old computer, it supported that hardware quite well, but by the time I
tried putting 20H2 on that machine, after having run Linux for two
years, avoiding the public beta test between 1809 and that version of
Win10, it was a disaster. I needed to build this newer machine, to
effectively use Windows again. But that led to being able to upgrade
to 11, which has been fun.

--
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On 4/27/2023 3:50 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>
>
> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
> would be the last version of Windows?
>
> Their promises are written on water.
>

"Here, why don't you jump in this hole. It's warmer in here"

"Mama, why is the floor moving." "Oh, that's just Microsoft dear."

I think the Windows 10 customers will be perfectly comfortable
until 2025 at least. A couple more years of "the floor ain't movin".
Nobody to mess up your Task Manager (fix CPU graphs!!! -- do
I have to use my imagination for proper decorations???).

Paul

Joel <joelcrump@gmail.com> wrote in
news:atkl4it3pc4ag0hasngtujl7gv6fmu7cvj@4ax.com:

> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>
>>Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>>would be the last version of Windows?
>>
>>Their promises are written on water.
>
>
> It was actually an employee spouting off, who said that particular
> thing, not an official announcement by Microsoft. But it is
> interesting how much Win10 changed over the course of its existence,
> before Win11's release. When I initially upgraded from 7 to 10, on my
> old computer, it supported that hardware quite well, but by the time I
> tried putting 20H2 on that machine, after having run Linux for two
> years, avoiding the public beta test between 1809 and that version of
> Win10, it was a disaster. I needed to build this newer machine, to
> effectively use Windows again. But that led to being able to upgrade
> to 11, which has been fun.
>

I recall that sttatement too. I didn't believe it. MS forces upgrades
on people to get their money.

Long about the time Win10 was introduced I bought a used HP laptop with
W7Pro on it. After 12 years in my possession it needed CHKDSK run to fix
a minor issue. It still runs great, does everthing I need, and will
likely live on for a while before the backup machine I bought will be
needed for spare parts.

Meanwhile my wife keeps upgrading and cursing at her Win10 laptop, Win11
laptop, and Iphone for terrible UI and apps. She is a power user though.

I prefer my i9 to her i7. The old OS/2 system is still going strong as
does the Linuz system.

Enjoy,

David

On 2023-04-27 22:04, Paul wrote:
> On 4/27/2023 3:50 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>>
>>
>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>> would be the last version of Windows?
>>
>> Their promises are written on water.
>>
>
> "Here, why don't you jump in this hole. It's warmer in here"
>
> "Mama, why is the floor moving." "Oh, that's just Microsoft dear."
>
> I think the Windows 10 customers will be perfectly comfortable
> until 2025 at least. A couple more years of "the floor ain't movin".
> Nobody to mess up your Task Manager (fix CPU graphs!!! --  do
> I have to use my imagination for proper decorations???).

None of my old laptops offered to upgrade to 11.

And my new laptop doesn't have any windows in it.

I may get a virtual machine running 11 at some point, when/if needed.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
> > Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
> > update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
> >

> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
> would be the last version of Windows?

> Their promises are written on water.

Same with Apple's Mac OS X. ;)
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On 4/27/2023 5:25 PM, Carlos E.R. wrote:

>
> I may get a virtual machine running 11 at some point, when/if needed.
>

I use VMWare Workstation player for that. It has "swtpm" and allows
the VM to have fake TPM 2.0 .

The problem with the latest VirtualBox, is TPM is implemented as
"TPM passthru", which means your platform has to have a TPM 2.0
chip, to participate.

The purpose of getting all the details right, is so you don't
have to cheat by using Rufus. The problem with Rufus, is the OS
won't do a smooth upgrade to the next point release if you used
Rufus. Consequently, if you want pristine behavior, like your
VM was as good as a physical Win11 machine, you have to emulate
all the features needed.

I have just one VM, in that state right now. My setup only works
on the Zen3 (not my older Intel setup).

One thing I still can't get working, is nested virtualization.
I should be able to put a Guest window in a Guest window.
Just like I could back in SoftWindows days :-) You have to set
this in the hosting software (enable nesting). The claim is, it
needs to be enabled, but it's still not working. No party admits
guilt about that.

Paul

Stan Brown wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>
>
> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
> would be the last version of Windows?
>
> Their promises are written on water.
>
Out of context.

Your memory should include the context in which it was mentioned.
- At that time of mention, Win10 was the last o/s being worked on.
The current being worked on 'was' Win11, the last one being worked on
was Win10.
:)

Win10 at this time, unless Win12 is announced as being worked on,
is/would still be the last o/s.

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Joel wrote:
> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>
>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>> would be the last version of Windows?
>>
>> Their promises are written on water.
>
>
> It was actually an employee spouting off, who said that particular
> thing, not an official announcement by Microsoft. But it is
> interesting how much Win
>

It wasn't a spout off, but a misinterpretation(media and others) and
choice of words(by the developer) with less information and clarity.

At the time of mention, Win10 'was' the last os(being worked on).

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Paul wrote:
> On 4/27/2023 3:50 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>>
>>
>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>> would be the last version of Windows?
>>
>> Their promises are written on water.
>>
>
> "Here, why don't you jump in this hole. It's warmer in here"
>
> "Mama, why is the floor moving." "Oh, that's just Microsoft dear."
>
> I think the Windows 10 customers will be perfectly comfortable
> until 2025 at least. A couple more years of "the floor ain't movin".
> Nobody to mess up your Task Manager (fix CPU graphs!!! --  do
> I have to use my imagination for proper decorations???).
>
>    Paul

Actually reasonably good, everyone has two more years to make it look
like Windows 7. No more complaints that feature updates cause problems
incapable of being validated.

Just don't let your imagination travel down the path of rebooting to fix
artifacts caused by Fast Start.

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On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:50:25 -0700, Stan Brown
<the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:

>On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>
>
>Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>would be the last version of Windows?

Yes, I remember, but it was a meaningless thing to say. All it meant
was that new releases of Windows wouldn't get a new name or number.

What Microsoft, or any other software company, calls something is just
a marketing decision. They gave Windows 10 a new number, but it could
just as easily been called 8.2. And Windows 11 could have been called
8.3, or if 10 was called 10, it could have been called 10.1.

What they decide to call something doesn't really reflect how
different it is.

>Their promises are written on water.

Maybe, so, but in this case, it was a meaningless promise. All they
did was change the name of a new release.

On 4/27/23 16:25, Carlos E.R. wrote:

[snip

> I may get a virtual machine running 11 at some point, when/if needed.

I have a Windows 11 VM (which was installed with the TPM/secure boot
bypass). It didn't get 22H2. Wednesday, I upgraded VirtualBox and
enabled those features. That day it got 22H2.

--
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http://notstupid.us/

"Martyrs have been sincere. And so have tyrants. Wise men have been
sincere. And so have fools." [E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Church Is a
Burden, Not a Benefit, In Social Life"]

On 4/28/2023 10:26 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>
> Maybe, so, but in this case, it was a meaningless promise. All they
> did was change the name of a new release.

The delivery strategy hasn't changed, just the marketing of it.

It's like a bread making factory, where the loaves are
all the same, but you can cut them thick or you can cut them thin.

The other scheme wasn't generating the revenue, so they'll
dribble out OSes instead. Just make an adjustment to the loaf cutter.

Paul

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:
>On 4/28/2023 10:26 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> Maybe, so, but in this case, it was a meaningless promise. All they
>> did was change the name of a new release.
>
>The delivery strategy hasn't changed, just the marketing of it.
>
>It's like a bread making factory, where the loaves are
>all the same, but you can cut them thick or you can cut them thin.
>
>The other scheme wasn't generating the revenue, so they'll
>dribble out OSes instead. Just make an adjustment to the loaf cutter.

I actually see Win11 as a genuinely new version in that they made
aesthetic changes that keep it up to date, even though the internals
were mostly already there underneath Win10's interface. There are
some ways 11 changes the internals that are useful, but ultimately,
the choice to upgrade or not tends to come from other factors, I for
one embrace the change altogether, which is why I upgraded
immediately.

--
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On 2023-04-28 05:10, ...winston wrote:
> Joel wrote:
>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>
>>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>>
>>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>>> would be the last version of Windows?
>>>
>>> Their promises are written on water.
>>
>>
>> It was actually an employee spouting off, who said that particular
>> thing, not an official announcement by Microsoft.  But it is
>> interesting how much Win
>>
>
> It wasn't a spout off, but a misinterpretation(media and others) and
> choice of words(by the developer) with less information and clarity.
>
> At the time of mention, Win10 'was' the last os(being worked on).

Microsoft did no effort at all to rectify the misunderstanding.

--
Cheers, Carlos.

Paul wrote:
> On 4/28/2023 10:26 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
>>
>> Maybe, so, but in this case, it was a meaningless promise. All they
>> did was change the name of a new release.
>
> The delivery strategy hasn't changed, just the marketing of it.
>
> It's like a bread making factory, where the loaves are
> all the same, but you can cut them thick or you can cut them thin.
>
> The other scheme wasn't generating the revenue, so they'll
> dribble out OSes instead. Just make an adjustment to the loaf cutter.
>
>    Paul
>
>
Maybe not...on the delivery strategy beyond the perceived marketing spin.
Delivery falls under 'WaaS' - Windows as a Service which changed the
release schedule for a new o/s.
Instead of the typical new o/s every couple of years:
3 yrs between 7 and 8, one year between 8 and 8.1, 2 years between 8.1
and 10(or 3 between 7 and 8.1)
We now have with WaaS - 6 yrs between 10 and 11(2015 to 2021) with
smaller feature releases, initially 2x per yr but now 1x per year.

I.e. two changes to the delivery.
With the advent of WaaS - 6 yrs between the last 2 released o/s(10 and
11) instead of the typical 3yrs and feature releases reduced from 2 yrs
to 1 yr.

Yes, the marketing goes along with it, but the timing for delivering a
new o/s is/was a real change.

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Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 12:50:25 -0700, Stan Brown
> <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 27 Apr 2023 15:44:48 -0400, Joel wrote:
>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>>
>>
>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>> would be the last version of Windows?
>
> Yes, I remember, but it was a meaningless thing to say. All it meant
> was that new releases of Windows wouldn't get a new name or number.
>
> What Microsoft, or any other software company, calls something is just
> a marketing decision. They gave Windows 10 a new number, but it could
> just as easily been called 8.2. And Windows 11 could have been called
> 8.3, or if 10 was called 10, it could have been called 10.1.
>
> What they decide to call something doesn't really reflect how
> different it is.
>
>
>> Their promises are written on water.
>
> Maybe, so, but in this case, it was a meaningless promise. All they
> did was change the name of a new release.
>
That may be part of the understanding, but if one looks at the context
in what and when it was stated.
"Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the
last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10."
- That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer
evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference. Nixon was
explaining how Microsoft was launching Windows 8.1 last year, but in the
background it was developing Windows 10.

In the same light, if the same was said today about Win11 *and* Win12(or
whatever it will be called), then Win11 would be the last version of
Window they(MSFT) are working on) until that happens Win10 is still the
'last o/s' they are working on...and now with recent news that 22H2 will
be the last feature update for Win10, the only thing they are working on
the last o/s(Win10) is providing security updates, no more feature updates.
- Note: No more feature updates does not exclude out-of-band updates
to patch or fix something that arises until 2025, nor does it exclude
..NET updates that are integrated within the o/s.

Confusing? Always, but if we learned anything the confusing from their
end hasn't changed much since 1995 and lol...should be expected without
being surprised.

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"...winston" <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the
>last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10."
>- That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer
>evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference. Nixon was
>explaining how Microsoft was launching Windows 8.1 last year, but in the
>background it was developing Windows 10.
>
>In the same light, if the same was said today about Win11 *and* Win12(or
>whatever it will be called), then Win11 would be the last version of
>Window they(MSFT) are working on) until that happens Win10 is still the
>'last o/s' they are working on...and now with recent news that 22H2 will
>be the last feature update for Win10, the only thing they are working on
>the last o/s(Win10) is providing security updates, no more feature updates.
> - Note: No more feature updates does not exclude out-of-band updates
>to patch or fix something that arises until 2025, nor does it exclude
>.NET updates that are integrated within the o/s.
>
>Confusing? Always, but if we learned anything the confusing from their
>end hasn't changed much since 1995 and lol...should be expected without
>being surprised.

Microsoft is a quirky company, when it comes to their OS, but
undeniably, they are where the real innovation is. Windows will never
be what macOS is, to its fans, nor what Unix/Linux is to the server
realm, and its desktop enthusiasts, but if you simply want the most
software, the most hardware support, Win11 is where it's at, today.

--
Joel Crump

Carlos E.R. wrote:
> On 2023-04-28 05:10, ...winston wrote:
>> Joel wrote:
>>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>>>
>>>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>>>> would be the last version of Windows?
>>>>
>>>> Their promises are written on water.
>>>
>>>
>>> It was actually an employee spouting off, who said that particular
>>> thing, not an official announcement by Microsoft.  But it is
>>> interesting how much Win
>>>
>>
>> It wasn't a spout off, but a misinterpretation(media and others) and
>> choice of words(by the developer) with less information and clarity.
>>
>> At the time of mention, Win10 'was' the last os(being worked on).
>
> Microsoft did no effort at all to rectify the misunderstanding.
>
They didn't need to, they understood the context in which it was stated.

"Right now we’re releasing Windows 10, and because Windows 10 is the
last version of Windows, we’re all still working on Windows 10."
- That was the message from Microsoft employee Jerry Nixon, a developer
evangelist speaking at the company's Ignite conference. Nixon was
explaining how Microsoft was launching Windows 8.1 last year, but in the
background it was developing Windows 10.

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On 2023-04-29 02:26, ...winston wrote:
> Carlos E.R. wrote:
>> On 2023-04-28 05:10, ...winston wrote:
>>> Joel wrote:
>>>> Stan Brown <the_stan_brown@fastmail.fm> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>> Microsoft says Windows 10, version 22H2 will be the last feature
>>>>>> update to be released for the Windows 10 operating system.
>>>>>
>>>>> Anybody but me remember Microsoft saying repeatedly that Windows 10
>>>>> would be the last version of Windows?
>>>>>
>>>>> Their promises are written on water.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> It was actually an employee spouting off, who said that particular
>>>> thing, not an official announcement by Microsoft.  But it is
>>>> interesting how much Win
>>>>
>>>
>>> It wasn't a spout off, but a misinterpretation(media and others) and
>>> choice of words(by the developer) with less information and clarity.
>>>
>>> At the time of mention, Win10 'was' the last os(being worked on).
>>
>> Microsoft did no effort at all to rectify the misunderstanding.
>>
> They didn't need to, they understood the context in which it was stated.

They might, the public didn't. I didn't. Till this thread, I understood
that M$ lied on their promise that W10 would be the last one.

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Cheers, Carlos.