On 2023-05-12 14:39, Andy Burns wrote:
> Graham J wrote:
>
>> Here in the UK mobile coverage is very patchy and my mobile doesn't
>> work in the house (in a rural area about 140km from London).  By
>> contrast friends who have recently visited Spain say that mobile
>> coverage is good and they get internet connection speeds that are 10x
>> better than achieved by their mobiles in the UK.
>
> Not sure I'd agree that it's "very" patch nowadays, yes there are
> notspots and if you live in one it'll matter to you.
>
> Parts of spain used to have WiMax coverage rather than 3g/4g/5g, not
> sure if that's still the case?
>

I don't know. Rural areas, I guess. Yes, I had a friend that used it. He
did have a landline on copper, though.

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On 2023-05-12 17:07, Beyond the pale wrote:
> On Fri, 12 May 2023 11:48:18 +0200, Carlos E.R. wrote:
>
>>> The better question is why would anyone put their calendar on the Internet?
>>> On principle alone, that's just not a good idea in any way you shape it.
>>
>> Comfort. Not needing to do anything. It just works.
>
> I'm all for comfort.
>
> For me, I can only say that it's more comfortable (to employ your sentiment)
> to locally export my calendar directly to my mobile device on my own LAN
> than it is to copy my calendar to the Internet just to get onto my phone.

I don't copy the calendar.

I had one calendar on the phone, and I had played in the past with the
Thunderbird calendar on the computer. One day, I learnt that Thunderbird
could connect to my gmail account and use the Google calendar. I did
that, and since them, the two are simply synced.

Since then, I only have to just use the calendar in the computer or in
the phone, and events appear on both places automatically; actually on
all my computers and partitions. I don't have to think about it, or do
anything about it. It simply works.

>
> My comfort originates in knowing that my calendar isn't on the Internet.

Fair enough.

Were I to worry about that, I'd use my own server or hire some provider
out there.

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On 2023-05-12 16:16, Ken Blake wrote:
> On Thu, 11 May 2023 15:52:11 -0500, Beyond the pale
> <invalid@is.invalid> wrote:
>
>> The cellphone is only used when I'm away from the computer.
>> Isn't that how most people who have a landline use a cellphone?
>
> Most? I don't know for sure, but I doubt it. Probably some, but not
> me.
>
>
>>> Why not just use the Android device?
>>
>> That's the whole point of a mobile phone. Isn't it?
>
> It used to be, but for most people, not anymore.
>
>
>> To use it when you're away from your home landline and/or computer.
>
> I use its smart phone features when I'm home, but in a room other than
> the one my computer is in. I read Kindle books on it when I'm in bed
> before going to sleep.
>
> I still have a landline, but I'm on the verge of giving it up. Almost
> the only calls I get on it these days are spam. And it's easier to
> make calls on my smart phone.

I have a few reasons to keep the landline.

One, is that it has been the same number since my parents bought this
house in the 60's, so all family connections know that number and can
reach me if they wish.

Another, is that I have several mail accounts with my ISP; lots of
people and businesses know one of those addresses so that changing email
would be a major undertaken, AND the ISP ties the mail accounts to
having the land line (I learnt of this recently).

Of course, in retrospect I should not have used the ISP mail accounts.
But at the time there were not many other options. Gmail did not exist.
Now it is too late.

Of course, it is no longer POTS. It is VoIP over fibre. The telco hides
this, and when asked, refuses to give the SIP credentials. They charge
for things like the phone displaying the calling number, which on VoIP
are part of the protocol and costs nothing.

And it is a comprehensive contract, including landline, internet, tv on
demand, mobile. Specially on the mobile, all calls are free. On the land
line, some of the calls have a cost.

Aside of that, I never make a phone call using the landline, and I get
very few actual phone calls, not even one a month, if I discount the
spam calls.

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On 12-05-2023 23:45 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:

>> For me, I can only say that it's more comfortable (to employ your sentiment)
>> to locally export my calendar directly to my mobile device on my own LAN
>> than it is to copy my calendar to the Internet just to get onto my phone.
>
> I don't copy the calendar.

Actually you do copy the calendar.

You just don't have any direct control over that copy on some server.

So you don't see the copy. But it's there.

On 2023-05-12 20:59, mike wrote:
> On 12-05-2023 23:45 "Carlos E.R." <robin_listas@es.invalid> wrote:
>
>>> For me, I can only say that it's more comfortable (to employ your
>>> sentiment)
>>> to locally export my calendar directly to my mobile device on my own LAN
>>> than it is to copy my calendar to the Internet just to get onto my
>>> phone.
>>
>> I don't copy the calendar.
>
> Actually you do copy the calendar.
>
> You just don't have any direct control over that copy on some server.
>
> So you don't see the copy. But it's there.

By "I don't copy the calendar" means that /I/ don't copy the calendar.
The software will do whatever it needs to do, but /I/ don't do anything.

I just login once in life.

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On 09-05-2023 19:19 Beyond the pale <invalid@is.invalid> wrote:

> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?) and if I manage it from
> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?
>
> Is there a database file I can just copy over to the Android sd card?
> And then is there an Android app that reads the Lightning calendar db?

Didn't read the whole thread but you should be able to export your calendar
from Lightning and import it into Android using F-Droid's offline calendar.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/org.sufficientlysecure.localcalendar/

I think it was superseded by Etar though, which is also on F-Droid.
https://f-droid.org/en/packages/ws.xsoh.etar/

Either one should import/export Lightning calendar data but I haven't
tested it as I use acalendar instead which is on the Google Play Store.
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=org.withouthat.acalendar&hl=en_US&gl=US

If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?) and if I manage it from
Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?

Is there a database file I can just copy over to the Android sd card?
And then is there an Android app that reads the Lightning calendar db?

Beyond the pale wrote:

> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?)

lightning has been built-in to thunderbird for years, nothing separate
to install

Alt-3 should show the calendar.

> and if I manage it from
> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?

probably best to sync the thunderbird to the google calendar that the
phone is already using ... I don't use that so can't give the exact
steps ... I would expect it to require oAuth2

On Wed, 10 May 2023 10:51:34 +0100, Andy Burns wrote:

>> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?)
>
> lightning has been built-in to thunderbird for years, nothing separate
> to install
>
> Alt-3 should show the calendar.

Thanks. I've never used Thunderbird or Lightning before. Nor calendars.

I tested Alt-3 briefly by adding an event and I noticed this DB was created
thunderbird\profile\calendar-data\{local.sqlite,local.sqlite-shm,local.sqlite-wal}

Copied that calendar-data directory over to the Android phone sd card.

>> and if I manage it from
>> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
>> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?
>
> probably best to sync the thunderbird to the google calendar that the
> phone is already using ... I don't use that so can't give the exact
> steps ... I would expect it to require oAuth2

No desire to put it on the Internet and don't use a google account.

Installed Simple Calendar Pro to see if it can read TB calendar-data.
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.simplemobiletools.calendar.pro/

Says it supports syncing events via calendars supporting CalDAV protocol.
Any suggestions for the next step in setting up a TB sync on my LAN?

On 2023-05-10, Beyond the pale <invalid@is.invalid> wrote:
> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?) and if I manage it from
> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?
>
> Is there a database file I can just copy over to the Android sd card?
> And then is there an Android app that reads the Lightning calendar db?

I think Android calendars typically import/export "*.ics" format which, if
correct, means the question is whether or not thunderbird exports ics.

Does it?

On 5/10/23 08:24, this is what Incubus wrote:
> On 2023-05-10, Beyond the pale <invalid@is.invalid> wrote:
>> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?) and if I manage it from
>> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
>> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?
>>
>> Is there a database file I can just copy over to the Android sd card?
>> And then is there an Android app that reads the Lightning calendar db?
>
> I think Android calendars typically import/export "*.ics" format which, if
> correct, means the question is whether or not thunderbird exports ics.
>
> Does it?
Yes TB does. I use it to backup all my calendar data to a format that is almost system wide/software wide acceptable.
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On Wed, 10 May 2023 08:43:58 -0400, Big Al wrote:

>> I think Android calendars typically import/export "*.ics" format which, if
>> correct, means the question is whether or not thunderbird exports ics.
>>
>> Does it?
> Yes TB does.
> I use it to backup all my calendar data to a format that is almost
> system wide/software wide acceptable.

That ics format sounds good because the object would be to export that
calendar file from Thunderbird and import that same file on Android.

I'm in Thunderbird right now looking for that export to ics format.
https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/exporting-and-sharing-a-calendar

All I want is to export a file from Lightning on Windows and import that
file on Android, without my calendar ever leaving the confines of the LAN.

As suggested by Dave Royal, I just now installed this Thunderbird add on
https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/dav-4-tbsync/

But it seems it's not needed in Thunderbird 102 and above because it says
"Thunderbird 102 natively supports CalDAV & CardDAV sync and this
provider for TbSync is technically no longer needed. You can setup your
CardDAV contacts and CalDAV calendars without TbSync."

I guess a "sync" is better than a "mirror" which is better than a "copy"
but if a sync requires so much overhead then I don't want to sync.

I'll be fine with a "mirror" or with a "copy" of the calendar file from
Windows to Android and then using the calendar on Android in the Simple
Tools Simple Calendar Pro that I installed from the F-Droid site.
https://f-droid.org/packages/com.simplemobiletools.calendar.pro/

Dave Royal suggested Google or Microsoft sync but I don't want my data on
the Internet & besides, I don't have nor would I ever want a Google or
Microsoft account. Dave suggested https://thegood.cloud/ but even that
requires an account on the Internet.

Why do I need an Internet "account" just to copy a file from Thunderbird to
Android? I should be able to export from Thunderbird in some format that
the Android phone will accept.

If the ics format is that format, I'm ok with that.
I just have to find that button to export ics from Lightning calendar.

Beyond the pale wrote:

> I noticed this DB was created
> thunderbird\profile\calendar-data\{local.sqlite,local.sqlite-shm,local.sqlite-wal}
>
> Copied that calendar-data directory over to the Android phone sd card.

although lots of android uses SQLite DBs, I don't thing the android
calender app will know what to do with a thunderbird calendar DB

On May 10, 2023, Beyond the pale wrote
(in article<news:u3g7n1$35n0o$1@news.mixmin.net>):

> I'm in Thunderbird right now looking for that export to ics format.
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/exporting-and-sharing-a-calendar

When you dig into what that mozilla support document says, it implies you
can't copy a file from lightning to android without a server involved.

According to that support document, lightning requires either a webdav or
caldav server to copy a calender export file from thunderbird to android.

Open lightning, events & tasks, publish, my calendar, http://mywebdav.url
If you don't have a webdav server on your lan you'll need to add one first.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebDAV

To keep it on your lan, you'll need to find out if there is a windows or
android webdav server that you'd want to set up for that calender sync job.

Alternatively that support document says thunderbird can export
Open thunderbird, events & tasks, export, my calender, html ics or csv

You should be able to export directly from windows to the android sdcard.
Or you can even email it to yourself by saving it in thunderbird drafts.

You'll have to find a way to import the calender once it is on android.

Ron, the humblest guy in town.

On 10 May 2023 08:55:06 -0500 Beyond the pale wrote:

>As suggested by Dave Royal, I just now installed this Thunderbird add on
>https://addons.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/addon/dav-4-tbsync/

I didn't _suggest_ you install that addon. I referred you to it so you
knew it existed - and that it's built in to later versions of TB; you
didn't say what version you have.
>I guess a "sync" is better than a "mirror" which is better than a "copy">

Yes. And you asked "What's the best way to sync or copy..."

>Why do I need an Internet "account" just to copy a file from Thunderbird to
>Android? I should be able to export from Thunderbird in some format that
>the Android phone will accept.

If you want to _sync_ you need a server. Nextcloud is open source. You can
run it on a machine on your LAN if you want. How about on a Raspberry Pi?
Or run it in Windows 10 user WSL. You'll certainly learn a lot.

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On 5/10/23 09:55, this is what Beyond the pale wrote:
> If the ics format is that format, I'm ok with that.
> I just have to find that button to export ics from Lightning calendar.

Open the calendar in TB.
Pick an calendar in the left sidebar.
The right click that and pick export.

https://i.postimg.cc/NyWcxtx6/export1.png

https://i.postimg.cc/sBBzSx5f/export2.png
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On Wed, 10 May 2023 16:02:07 -0000 (UTC), Dave Royal wrote:
>>I guess a "sync" is better than a "mirror" which is better than a "copy">
>
> Yes. And you asked "What's the best way to sync or copy..."

Agree. I just want to be able to bring the calendar over from Windows
Thunderbird to Android without needing to put the Internet in between.

I don't care (at this point) whether it's a LAN sync, mirror or copy.
I just want to be able to do it somehow staying on the LAN.

Probably many people do it.
How do they do it?

This link I found searching for servers seems to say it can sync calendars.
https://www.maketecheasier.com/sync-caldav-carddav-android/

>>Why do I need an Internet "account" just to copy a file from Thunderbird to
>>Android? I should be able to export from Thunderbird in some format that
>>the Android phone will accept.
>
> If you want to _sync_ you need a server. Nextcloud is open source. You can
> run it on a machine on your LAN if you want. How about on a Raspberry Pi?
> Or run it in Windows 10 user WSL. You'll certainly learn a lot.

I can't complain then if I won't be able to sync because I don't mind
setting up a Windows or Android server but I'm not going to use WSL or a
Raspberry Pi because that's too complicated, so I'll mirror or copy.

Following the instructions previously sent I was able to get an ics file
out of Windows Thunderbird Lightning by selecting a week and then doing
Events & Tasks | Export | Home.ics

The other way that was suggested requires a webdav server to already exist.
Alt-F3 | Events & Tasks | Publish | https://example.com/webdav/calendar.ics

I didn't find anything for how to set up a caldav server on Windows.
https://www.davical.org/

But I found this which says you can set up a caldav server on Android.
https://www.davx5.com/ & https://f-droid.org/packages/at.bitfire.davdroid/

Looking up how to set up a webdav server on Windows, this might work.
https://medium.odrive.com/how-to-easily-setup-a-webdav-server-on-windows-and-sync-to-it-8469b9259435

And looking up how to set up a webdav server on Android, this may work.
https://www.techrepublic.com/article/add-a-webdav-server-to-your-android-device/

At this point there are a few untested directions so it would be really
nice if someone who has synced, mirrored or copied their Thunderbird
Lightning calendar from Windows to Android can tell me how they did it.

Which method seems like it will be the most fruitful to you?

Beyond the pale wrote:

> That ics format sounds good because the object would be to export that
> calendar file from Thunderbird and import that same file on Android.
>
> I'm in Thunderbird right now looking for that export to ics format.
> https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/exporting-and-sharing-a-calendar
>
> All I want is to export a file from Lightning on Windows and import that
> file on Android, without my calendar ever leaving the confines of the LAN.
>
> As suggested by Dave Royal, I just now installed this Thunderbird add on

You don't need an add-on to export a calendar to .ics,
just use the menu option

Events&Tasks > Export ...

Am 10.05.23 um 03:19 schrieb Beyond the pale:
> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?) and if I manage it from
> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?
>
> Is there a database file I can just copy over to the Android sd card?
> And then is there an Android app that reads the Lightning calendar db?

Use an CalDAV-Server and connect both devices to it. Then they will sync
automatically.

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Am 11.05.23 um 14:04 schrieb Joerg Lorenz:
> Am 10.05.23 um 03:19 schrieb Beyond the pale:
>> If I add the Thunderbird calendar app (Lightning?) and if I manage it from
>> Windows, what's the best way to sync or copy that calendar database over to
>> an Android phone so I can use it as read-only (or read/write if possible)?
>>
>> Is there a database file I can just copy over to the Android sd card?
>> And then is there an Android app that reads the Lightning calendar db?
>
> Use an CalDAV-Server and connect both devices to it. Then they will sync
> automatically.

Here an example but there are many more of them. You do not have to set
it up yourself.

https://help.yahoo.com/kb/SLN4707.html

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