On 2024-03-09, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
> I have a .plan file someone can "finger".

I have a razor-sharp flint stone fragment with which I can skin a rabbit!

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On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:46:32 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
><433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote in <20240308013928.226@kylheku.com>:
>
>> On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>> We like to give customers a soft landing when turning down services.
>>> I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good shell providers,
>>> places like Panix.
>>
>> That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating
>> systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
>
> That turns out not to be the case.
>
> Some shell users don't want to be system administrators.
>
>>
>>> "bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of them might be able
>>> to transition to being a system administrator, but a lot just want to
>>> run tin, pine, mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
>>
>> To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet
>> connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
>> all the above packages.
>
> ...with all the system administration that entails.
>
> I suppose the formal name for my request is recommendations for "managed
> shell services".
>
> Thanks to those who responded, sdf.org and the tildeverse are great
> suggestions.
>

Part of your community could move to tilde.pink . There's no http, the
server runs NetBSD and there's limited disk space. But maybe that's not
an issue? More information on tilde.pink :

gemini://tilde.pink
gopher://tilde.pink

More information on gemini:

https://geminiprotocol.net

You can find us on irc in #pink . Server tilde.chat port 6697 (tls).

On Sun, 10 Mar 2024, Julius Bernotas wrote:

> On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>> On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 09:46:32 -0000 (UTC), Kaz Kylheku
>> <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote in <20240308013928.226@kylheku.com>:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-08, vallor <vallor@cultnix.org> wrote:
>>>> We like to give customers a soft landing when turning down services.
>>>> I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions for good shell providers,
>>>> places like Panix.
>>>
>>> That concept mostly went away 30 years ago with free Unix-like operating
>>> systems that run on low-spec consumer hardware.
>>
>> That turns out not to be the case.
>>
>> Some shell users don't want to be system administrators.
>>
>>>
>>>> "bare-bones" for the users I'm thinking of. Some of them might be able
>>>> to transition to being a system administrator, but a lot just want to
>>>> run tin, pine, mutt, irssi, tf, and so forth.
>>>
>>> To access some remote shell account you need a machine that is internet
>>> connected and can run SSH. That machine can just run a freeware OS with
>>> all the above packages.
>>
>> ...with all the system administration that entails.
>>
>> I suppose the formal name for my request is recommendations for "managed
>> shell services".
>>
>> Thanks to those who responded, sdf.org and the tildeverse are great
>> suggestions.
>>
>
> Part of your community could move to tilde.pink . There's no http, the
> server runs NetBSD and there's limited disk space. But maybe that's not
> an issue? More information on tilde.pink :
>
> gemini://tilde.pink
> gopher://tilde.pink
>
> More information on gemini:
>
> https://geminiprotocol.net
>
> You can find us on irc in #pink . Server tilde.chat port 6697 (tls).
>

Speaking of gopher and gemini, what would you need there in order to cut
off the regular internet completely? And I don't count the commercial
internet (banking, travelling, online shopping), but apart from those use
cases, what would it take for you to shift completely onto gopher or
gemini?

On 2024-03-10, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:

----snip----

> Speaking of gopher and gemini, what would you need there in order to cut
> off the regular internet completely? And I don't count the commercial
> internet (banking, travelling, online shopping), but apart from those use
> cases, what would it take for you to shift completely onto gopher or
> gemini?

"Solving captchas." Would be an answer that matches your question. It's
a mystery to me why in the era of ChatGPT humans still need to solve
captchas.

On 2024-03-12, Julius Bernotas <gaussianblue@tilde.pink> wrote:
> On 2024-03-10, D <nospam@example.net> wrote:
>
> ----snip----
>
>> Speaking of gopher and gemini, what would you need there in order to cut
>> off the regular internet completely? And I don't count the commercial
>> internet (banking, travelling, online shopping), but apart from those use
>> cases, what would it take for you to shift completely onto gopher or
>> gemini?
>
> "Solving captchas." Would be an answer that matches your question. It's
> a mystery to me why in the era of ChatGPT humans still need to solve
> captchas.

Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
in the era of self-driving cars.

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On 2024-03-12 11:48, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
> in the era of self-driving cars.

Prove you are _not_ an AI by speeding between traffic lights.

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On 2024-03-12, Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-12 11:48, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
>> in the era of self-driving cars.
>
> Prove you are _not_ an AI by speeding between traffic lights.

Sure; if you can't refute the "A", you can always refute the "I".

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On 3/8/24 02:36, vallor wrote:
> We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
> down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
> for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
> user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
> I'm hoping for.

Panix is hard to beat.

In comp.unix.shell, Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-09, Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> wrote:
>> I have a .plan file someone can "finger".
> I have a razor-sharp flint stone fragment with which I can
> skin a rabbit!

What does that have to do with shell account services? Maybe there's an
SCA or experimental archeology group that cares.

Elijah
------
now recalls that identd service is offered, too

On 2024-03-13, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
> On 3/8/24 02:36, vallor wrote:
>> We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
>> down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
>> for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
>> user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
>> I'm hoping for.
>
> Panix is hard to beat.

How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?

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Anthony Howe <achowe@snert.com> writes:

> On 2024-03-12 11:48, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> Prove you're a human by identifying a motorcycle or traffic light ...
>> in the era of self-driving cars.
>
> Prove you are _not_ an AI by speeding between traffic lights.

Lol! Loved it.

In comp.unix.shell, Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-13, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
> > Panix is hard to beat.
> How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?

I can get that Panix may not be for everyone, but your bullshit hating
on it sure says things about you.

(How many Panix customers do you know outside this thread? What makes
you think people living in their parents basements pay a premium over an
ec2 host? Or using dyndns from a parent's basement?)

Elijah
------
has no virtual machines at AWS outside of $WORK

On 3/13/24 02:11, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
> How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?

I am up to Five grandchildren and ALL of them are more mature than you

In article <ut06st$i22$1@reader1.panix.com>,
Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
>On 3/13/24 02:11, Kaz Kylheku wrote:
>> How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?
>
>I am up to Five grandchildren and ALL of them are more mature than you
>

You must REALLY be old.

Or you breed like the Boebert clan...

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Kaz Kylheku <433-929-6894@kylheku.com> wrote:
> On 2024-03-13, Popping Mad <rainbow@colition.gov> wrote:
>> On 3/8/24 02:36, vallor wrote:
>>> We like to give customers a soft landing when turning
>>> down services. I'm wondering if anyone has suggestions
>>> for good shell providers, places like Panix. I'm a panix
>>> user myself, and that seems like a good example of suggestions
>>> I'm hoping for.
>>
>> Panix is hard to beat.
>
> How about: Panix, plus living in your parents' basement?
>

How about avoiding epithets and personalities?

(I'm surprised someone of your stature would set such a tone.)

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On Fri, 8 Mar 2024 19:21:37 -0000 (UTC), vallor wrote:

> Thanks to those who responded, sdf.org and the tildeverse are great
> suggestions.

Just checked sdf.org, and found “©1987-2065”.

Coincidentally, the latter is the year in which the old Gerry/Sylvia-
Anderson series “Thunderbirds” was set ...

On 25.03.2024 03:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>
> Just checked sdf.org, and found “©1987-2065”.
>
> Coincidentally, the latter is the year in which the old Gerry/Sylvia-
> Anderson series “Thunderbirds” was set ...

I didn't know about that date. But what a coincidence that just these
days I was looking that series! (Wasn't expecting that anyone knows
about that old series in the first place.)

Janis

On 25.03.24 06:25, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 25.03.2024 03:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>
>> Just checked sdf.org, and found “©1987-2065”.
>>
>> Coincidentally, the latter is the year in which the old Gerry/Sylvia-
>> Anderson series “Thunderbirds” was set ...
>
> I didn't know about that date. But what a coincidence that just these
> days I was looking that series! (Wasn't expecting that anyone knows
> about that old series in the first place.)

I do! I even have the complete series here on DVD ;-) I just LOVED them!
I even built myself a cap like they wore.
Recently there was a 3D animated series somewhere ...

Josef

On 25.03.2024 11:40, Josef Moellers wrote:
> On 25.03.24 06:25, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
>> On 25.03.2024 03:36, Lawrence D'Oliveiro wrote:
>>>
>>> Just checked sdf.org, and found “©1987-2065”.
>>>
>>> Coincidentally, the latter is the year in which the old Gerry/Sylvia-
>>> Anderson series “Thunderbirds” was set ...
>>
>> I didn't know about that date. But what a coincidence that just these
>> days I was looking that series! (Wasn't expecting that anyone knows
>> about that old series in the first place.)
>
> I do! I even have the complete series here on DVD ;-)

Same here. (Otherwise I couldn't see them [in TV] these days. :-)

> I just LOVED them!

The model scenery and effects I (still) think are really amazing!

But, to be honest, the dialogs, the primitive "tech speak", and
the illogical details of the stories is something that annoys me
these days.

Still interesting.

Janis

On Mon, 25 Mar 2024 12:11:34 +0100, Janis Papanagnou wrote:

> The model scenery and effects I (still) think are really amazing!

Fun fact: the “Supermarionation” term referred to the electromechanical
system for triggering movements of the puppets’ mouths from the audio
track. Previously the puppeteers had to make these movements manually.

The reason why the heads were so big relative to the body in
“Thunderbirds” was because the mechanism for this was in the head. In the
later “Captain Scarlet”, they put most of the mechanism in the torso. This
allowed the head-body proportions to be closer to human-normal.

Also:
<https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/AdventureFriendlyWorld>,
<https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/NoOSHACompliance>