Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6

Will standard Intel drivers work?

Dan wrote:

> Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>
> Will standard Intel drivers work?

I don't think Dell play the nasty trick that Lenovo used to, of
requiring a 'blessed' Mini PCIe card, so I'd say chances are good.

On 03/03/2024 in message <2go8uild1t63176te0g8tut4pjbiem8i3f@4ax.com> Dan
wrote:

>Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>
>https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>
>
>Will standard Intel drivers work?

I use one of these on my laptop:

https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08GM1MV6B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1

It worked extremely well and is a lot cheaper but doe take a USB socket.

--
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You can't tell which way the train went by looking at the tracks

On 03/03/2024 in message <l4jas0FhpurU2@mid.individual.net> Andy Burns
wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>
>>Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>>
>>https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>>
>>Will standard Intel drivers work?
>
>I don't think Dell play the nasty trick that Lenovo used to, of requiring
>a 'blessed' Mini PCIe card, so I'd say chances are good.

Bless you my son :-)

I fell into that trap with a Lenovo PC, PITA.

--
Jeff Gaines Dorset UK
The only thing necessary for evil to prevail is for good people to do or
say nothing. (Edmund Burke)

On 3/3/2024 8:05 AM, Andy Burns wrote:
> Dan wrote:
>
>> Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>>
>> Will standard Intel drivers work?
>
> I don't think Dell play the nasty trick that Lenovo used to, of requiring a 'blessed' Mini PCIe card, so I'd say chances are good.

That might have been the whitelisting of "Centrino" laptops.

Maybe three different Intel Wifi modules would work.
A Broadcom would not chip-select if put in its place,
which means the Centrino BIOS had been armed (by someone) to
prevent it from being chip selected.

Some forms of BIOS switches are not absolute. If you turn
off a SATA port in the BIOS, Linux can turn it back on :-)
Which is annoying, but what can you do.

The Wifi 6E is tri-band, the antennas in the laptop
might be dual band. I don't know what this means
particularly -- in some countries the 6GHz band is
"perfectly useless", so it's not like you're necessarily
losing anything. 6GHz is only available "if the band
is quiet".

Intel makes two kinds of modules, and generally the
CNVi are "the wrong ones". CNVi is apparently like a
winmodem, in that parts of it are missing and located
in the chipset. This is a very bad idea, for modular hardware.
The OP has selected the non-CNVi one and as far as I know,
that's the correct one. The Intel Wifi 6 I have in two
desktops here, those are the non-CNVi ones and suitable
for PCIe slots.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CNVi

If you have a local computer store with a returns policy,
there are enough of those Intel ones around, they should
be a stock item. If it did not work for some reason,
the store may have a money-back policy or similar.

There's only two of those in town here, so if I needed
one bad enough today, I could get it.

The BT 5, the Microsoft stack doesn't really expose
anything new. The IoT transmission modes won't be there.
If you want the newest audio profile, the product box had
better have a CD with a third party BT stack in it.
There is something newer than aptX.

Paul

Paul wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>
> The Wifi 6E is tri-band, the antennas in the laptop
> might be dual band. I don't know what this means
> particularly

I haven't got 6GHz WiFi here, I suspect Dan's mum isn't likely to have
it either ...

Dan <dannewsgroupsAAAA888@outlook.com> wrote:

> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6

"Currently unavailable".

VanguardLH wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>
> "Currently unavailable".

I stock in Amazon UK, which (judging by the xpost) is relevant ...

Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
>> Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>
> The Wifi 6E is tri-band, the antennas in the laptop might be dual
> band.

The Dell L502X was introduced back in 2011. Wi-Fi 6E (and now 7)
weren't even wet dreams back then.

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> VanguardLH wrote:
>
>> Dan wrote:
>>
>>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>>
>> "Currently unavailable".
>
> I stock in Amazon UK, which (judging by the xpost) is relevant ...

Amazon UK (using the OP's URL that points to amazon.co.uk) says
"Currently unavailable" when I (in the USA) visit the Amazon UK page.
Do you see something different from wherever you begin your route to
retrieve their web page?

Jeff Gaines <jgnewsid@outlook.com> wrote:

> Dan wrote:
>
>> Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>>
>> Will standard Intel drivers work?

I didn't find a manufacturer site for this product, so no more details
than what the Amazon states. Probably will work with the Intel drivers,
but do the ones already installed support Wi-Fi 6E (and 7)?

> I use one of these on my laptop:
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B08GM1MV6B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_search_asin_title?ie=UTF8&psc=1
>
> It worked extremely well and is a lot cheaper but doe take a USB
> socket.

We don't know if the OP wants to upgrade his wi-fi or Bluetooth
capabilities (it's a combo card), or if something is physically broken
requiring replacement.

We also don't to what the OP intends to connect for a wi-fi access point
or wi-fi capable router that support Wi-Fi 6 GHz. He will have to
replace more than just the wifi/BT card in his laptop to use 2.4, 5, and
6 GHz wi-fi bands. That might work at his mum's home if the APs (access
points) or router support 6E (and 7, as noted below), but it's a laptop,
so where is she going to find 6 GHz wi-fi hotspots when out? Most
likely she'll be using 2.4 or 5 when away from home, and at home, too,
until her APs or router/modem get replaced. Is she playing online video
games, or just doing e-mail, web surfing, and other low-level stuff?
It's like buying a Bugatti Chiron Supersport 300+ (300 MPH), but no
access to the AutoBahn (which is unlimited speed in a few de-restricted
runs): great potential, nowhere to play.

Paul mentions the antennae in the laptop may only be tuned for 2.4 and 5
GHz bands. 6E and 7 were introduced MANY years after the OP's laptop
got released. Someone far more trained in antenna theory can answer if
antennae for 2.4 and 5 Ghz will work sufficient well for 6 and 7 GHz.

I've seen maps of wi-fi hotspots, but I don't remember seeing any that
told you the bands available at each hotspot, like 2.4, 5, 6 GHz, for
one only, for the first two, or for all 3. However, where I am is not
dictated by where are wi-fi hotspots, so I haven't bothered to check for
quite a while what wi-fi maps will present for details. Also, after
getting a large smartphone (which I'm not dismantling to unsolder old
components to replace with faster new ones), I don't bother toting
around my laptop or netbook anymore.

https://www.theverge.com/2020/4/23/21231623/6ghz-wifi-6e-explained-speed-availability-fcc-approval

There's even Wi-Fi 7:

https://www.wired.com/story/what-is-wi-fi-7/

VanguardLH wrote:

> Amazon UK (using the OP's URL that points to amazon.co.uk) says
> "Currently unavailable" when I (in the USA) visit the Amazon UK page.
> Do you see something different from wherever you begin your route to
> retrieve their web page?

Yes, I see

FREE delivery 9 - 16 March. Details
Deliver to Andy - Leicester
In stock

Andy Burns wrote:

> FREE delivery 9 - 16 March. Details
> Deliver to Andy - Leicester
> In stock

Seems to be fulfilled from China.

Dan wrote on 3/3/24 4:43 AM:
> Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>
>
> Will standard Intel drivers work?
>

If the router is not 6G capable, then it might be consider
over-buying(paying) for features that will go unused, but afaics, likely
to work on mum's device if using Win10's latest version/build.
- Mum's Dell L502X laptop was first released in 2011. Hopefully, she's
using Win10 21H2 or latest version 22H2 *and not* Win7.

Accessing that UK link from this location shows the product as being
'Unavailable'
Amazon US shows the comparable different brand wifi card as $30 U.S.

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Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:

> Andy Burns wrote:
>
>> FREE delivery 9 - 16 March. Details
>> Deliver to Andy - Leicester
>> In stock
>
> Seems to be fulfilled from China.

At eBay, I can see the shipping location. Not at Amazon. Where did you
see shipping was from China (which could be 45 days to get through
customs and then actual ship)? Logged into Amazon, but still no
shipping info. I was going to try to "add to cart" to see if I then got
shipping info. Nope. With "Currently not available", I can't see where
is the seller.

Some Chinese sellers operate regional warehouses, or use shared
warehouse facilities (e.g., City of Industry, CA USA). They stock their
regional warehouse, so shipping is from there. Customs has already been
passed. From those shipping from Asia, yeah, wait a long time for
delivery due to the long customs delay.

With eBay, I can select "Item location: USA only" filter. Presumably
this is selectable on the region for eBay (the TLD in their domain). No
such filter with Amazon. At eBay, I can select the "Free shipping"
filter. Not at Amazon. No, I'm not paying for Amazon Prime to get free
shipping on the very few items I order there per year.

With eBay, I get their Buyer Protection coverage, and I have used it a
few times. I haven't ordered enough from Amazon to remember if they
have something similar (for non-Prime purchases).

On Sun, 3 Mar 2024 14:07:00 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dan wrote on 3/3/24 4:43 AM:
>> Will this work for my mums Dell L502X laptop:
>>
>> https://www.amazon.co.uk/MPE-AXE3000H-AX210HMW-5374Mbps-Bluetooth-802-11ax/dp/B0BZYSRJS6
>>
>>
>> Will standard Intel drivers work?
>>
>
>If the router is not 6G capable, then it might be consider
>over-buying(paying) for features that will go unused, but afaics, likely
>to work on mum's device if using Win10's latest version/build.
> - Mum's Dell L502X laptop was first released in 2011. Hopefully, she's
>using Win10 21H2 or latest version 22H2 *and not* Win7.
>
>Accessing that UK link from this location shows the product as being
>'Unavailable'
>Amazon US shows the comparable different brand wifi card as $30 U.S.

I use a Asus RTAX 88U pro on a community fibre 1 gig down / up.
6Ghz will not be used. But the laptop has a n spec and this card an ac
spec.
So, the original post I made the product is no longer available. So
Can I use another
pci-e ac spec module?

Dan wrote:

> So, the original post I made the product is no longer available.

Odd, still shows in stock to me in the UK ...

"In stock Quantity:1
Add to Basket
Buy Now
Dispatches from Teday Global Store"

VanguardLH <V@nguard.lh> wrote:
> Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
>
> > Andy Burns wrote:
> >
> >> FREE delivery 9 - 16 March. Details
> >> Deliver to Andy - Leicester
> >> In stock

Often if Amazon knows your address it won't show you items that can't be
shipped to you. If I go on Amazon.com when logged in with a UK account many
of the items appear out of stock, but if I change my zip code to a US
address then they come back.

> > Seems to be fulfilled from China.
>
> At eBay, I can see the shipping location. Not at Amazon. Where did you
> see shipping was from China (which could be 45 days to get through
> customs and then actual ship)? Logged into Amazon, but still no
> shipping info. I was going to try to "add to cart" to see if I then got
> shipping info. Nope. With "Currently not available", I can't see where
> is the seller.

Looking at the seller information:

Business Name: Shenzhen Tedai Technology Co., Ltd.
Business Type: Privately-owned business
Trade Register Number: 91440300MA5G6DE32Y
Business Address:
莲花街道康欣社区北环大道7039号民华大厦705
深圳市
福田区
广东省
518000
CN

> Some Chinese sellers operate regional warehouses, or use shared
> warehouse facilities (e.g., City of Industry, CA USA). They stock their
> regional warehouse, so shipping is from there. Customs has already been
> passed. From those shipping from Asia, yeah, wait a long time for
> delivery due to the long customs delay.

Standard UK Royal Mail delivery is 1-2 days (theoretically). Cheap couriers
can be more like 3-5 days. To take 12 days suggests it's coming from
abroad. EU is of the order of a week. Given the seller is in China and the
two-week delivery time it suggests that's where it's coming from.

> With eBay, I can select "Item location: USA only" filter. Presumably
> this is selectable on the region for eBay (the TLD in their domain). No
> such filter with Amazon. At eBay, I can select the "Free shipping"
> filter. Not at Amazon. No, I'm not paying for Amazon Prime to get free
> shipping on the very few items I order there per year.

If you have Prime it's worth using that button to filter Chinese shipping.
Third party sellers can sell via Prime from their own stocks if they ship
for arrival next day.

If you don't have Prime there's a 'Free UK Delivery by Amazon' button which
also filters them.

Both obscure some third party sellers, but often those aren't worth
bothering with (eg high postage for a small item).

> With eBay, I get their Buyer Protection coverage, and I have used it a
> few times. I haven't ordered enough from Amazon to remember if they
> have something similar (for non-Prime purchases).

If the seller doesn't produce the goods you can report it to Amazon. You
often make it hard to find the live chat option (it's a hall of mirrors of
'helpful' links when you go to report something) but once you have them
(based in the Philippines or somewhere like that) on live chat they will
often refund with no hassles.

Theo

Andy Burns wrote on 3/4/24 12:52 AM:
> Dan wrote:
>
>> So, the original post I made the product is no longer available.
>
> Odd, still shows in stock to me in the UK ...
>
> "In stock Quantity:1
> Add to Basket
> Buy Now
> Dispatches from Teday Global Store"
>

Yes, my comment was 'from this location' - implied U.S.
- the UK leak shows 'not available.'

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On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 07:52:13 +0000, Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk>
wrote:

>Dan wrote:
>
>> So, the original post I made the product is no longer available.
>
>Odd, still shows in stock to me in the UK ...
>
>"In stock Quantity:1
>Add to Basket
>Buy Now
>Dispatches from Teday Global Store"

Looks that way. So will it fit in my mum laptop?
Can I use Intel drivers for it?

Dan <dannewsgroupsAAAA888@outlook.com> wrote:

> So will it fit in my mum laptop?
> Can I use Intel drivers for it?

From hunting around online, looks like the maker is Fenvi. See:

https://www.fenvi.com/about.html

Says they cooperate with Intel. Did a search on their site to find:

https://www.fenvi.com/drive.html?keyword=MPE-AXE3000H

Shows 2 product with the same product ID. When I click on either, a
download appears for Win10/11 drivers. 2 drivers are in the .zip file:
wi-fi and bluetooth.

I'd probably first see if the new card works with the existing drivers
already installed, or embedded in Windows (select the card in Device
Manager, and see what drivers are listed for it, or if it has a yellow
exclamation mark). If the current or embedded drivers don't work, then
I'd try their downloaded drivers.

I can't address fitment. Their product page at:

https://www.fenvi.com/product_detail_41.html

gives hardly any actual details, just a bunch of marketing content. You
might ask the Amazon seller to give you some dimensions, like width, and
length from card side to top side. From the pic at the mfr site, looks
like there is a metal shield attached. Might be for shielding, but
looks like it is pressed into the mounting holes. Take the back plate
off your laptop, and look what yours looks like, then ask the Amazon
seller if a shield plate is attached to the card.

Several respondents ponder why you want to upgrade ancient hardware with
a new card that probably won't give you the speed boost you want.

Dan wrote on 3/3/24 11:40 PM:
> I use a Asus RTAX 88U pro on a community fibre 1 gig down / up.
> 6Ghz will not be used. But the laptop has a n spec and this card an ac
> spec.

Once connected, Windows 10 will attempt to install its included drivers
or download them(in the background) or provide the option to use Windows
Update to check for drivers.
- in almost all cases, the first will occur.

Then, if not functional, you can look for drivers on the manufacturing site.

i.e. based on the product information, their is little reason to believe
the device would not work.

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On Mon, 4 Mar 2024 22:39:46 -0700, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ <winstonmvp@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Dan wrote on 3/3/24 11:40 PM:
>> I use a Asus RTAX 88U pro on a community fibre 1 gig down / up.
>> 6Ghz will not be used. But the laptop has a n spec and this card an ac
>> spec.
>
>Once connected, Windows 10 will attempt to install its included drivers
>or download them(in the background) or provide the option to use Windows
>Update to check for drivers.
> - in almost all cases, the first will occur.
>
>Then, if not functional, you can look for drivers on the manufacturing site.
>
>i.e. based on the product information, their is little reason to believe
>the device would not work.

Thanks to all. I have downloaded drivers from Intel.
I will measure inside her laptop and see

...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Dan wrote on 3/3/24 11:40 PM:
>
>> I use a Asus RTAX 88U pro on a community fibre 1 gig down / up.
>> 6Ghz will not be used. But the laptop has a n spec and this card an ac
>> spec.
>
> Once connected, Windows 10 will attempt to install its included drivers
> or download them(in the background) or provide the option to use Windows
> Update to check for drivers.
>  - in almost all cases, the first will occur.
>
> Then, if not functional, you can look for drivers on the manufacturing
> site.
>
> i.e. based on the product information, their is little reason to believe
> the device would not work.
Does the laptop have an ethernet port, which could temporarily be used
to allow it to download whatever drivers it wants? If not then download
the drivers by hand before installation ...

Andy Burns <usenet@andyburns.uk> wrote:
> Does the laptop have an ethernet port, which could temporarily be used
> to allow it to download whatever drivers it wants? If not then download
> the drivers by hand before installation ...

If it doesn't have ethernet, a USB ethernet dongle or a USB wifi adapter is
a handy thing to have...

Theo