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* BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?Boris
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Subject: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?
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 by: Boris - Fri, 15 Mar 2024 22:12 UTC

Running Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build 19045.4170

KB5034441 keeps failing to install on my Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build
19045.4170

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5034441-windows-recovery-
environment-update-for-windows-10-version-21h2-and-22h2-january-9-2024-
62c04204-aaa5-4fee-a02a-2fdea17075a8

This update "addresses a security vulnerability that could allow
attackers to bypass BitLocker encryption by using WinRE."

I wondered why my Windows 10 Home was getting this update downloaded to
my machine because what I've read says that BitLocker doesn't come with
Windows 10 Home. I thought that might explain the install failure.
Based on this, I decided that this update didn't apply to my OS and used
Windows Update Show/Hide to hide the update.

Afterwards, I decided to search for the term "BitLocker". Everything
found 150 objects. Huh? But I'm running Windows 10 Home. What's up?

OK, let's say that BitLocker is on my Windows 10 Home machine.
Requirements for this update state, "This update requires 250 MB of free
space in the recovery partition to install successfully. If the recovery
partition does not have sufficient free space, this update will fail."

reagentc /info tells me that Windows RE status is Enabled

Disk Management shows I have two recovery partitions, 856 MB and 11.94
GB. Diskpart shows the same.

https://postimg.cc/gallery/VSSKNkY

Perhaps the update is looking to install itself on the 856 MB partition,
where there's not enough room?

I'm not trying to get this update installed. I suspect I'd have to
resize the 856 MB partition. I'm just wondering why Everyting shows 150
BitLocker objects. (Maybe it's there in case the user upgraded to
Windows 10 Pro?}

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Sat, 16 Mar 2024 00:00 UTC

Boris wrote on 3/15/24 3:12 PM:
> Running Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build 19045.4170
>
> KB5034441 keeps failing to install on my Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build
> 19045.4170
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5034441-windows-recovery-
> environment-update-for-windows-10-version-21h2-and-22h2-january-9-2024-
> 62c04204-aaa5-4fee-a02a-2fdea17075a8
>
> This update "addresses a security vulnerability that could allow
> attackers to bypass BitLocker encryption by using WinRE."

Bitlocker applicability or not, KB5034441 updates the WinRE Recovery
Partition.
- WinRE update have been include in monthly cumulative update since
June 2023, but not all requiring and version/build number update or
sufficient free space in the WinRE partition.

>
> I wondered why my Windows 10 Home was getting this update downloaded to
> my machine because what I've read says that BitLocker doesn't come with
> Windows 10 Home. I thought that might explain the install failure.
> Based on this, I decided that this update didn't apply to my OS and used
> Windows Update Show/Hide to hide the update.
See above
>
> Afterwards, I decided to search for the term "BitLocker". Everything
> found 150 objects. Huh? But I'm running Windows 10 Home. What's up?
See above
>
> OK, let's say that BitLocker is on my Windows 10 Home machine.
> Requirements for this update state, "This update requires 250 MB of free
> space in the recovery partition to install successfully. If the recovery
> partition does not have sufficient free space, this update will fail."

See above
>
> reagentc /info tells me that Windows RE status is Enabled
As it should
it also showed the disk and partition number for the WinRE partition.
It is likely that you saw in reagentc /info's output
=> harddisk0, partition4
>
> Disk Management shows I have two recovery partitions, 856 MB and 11.94
> GB. Diskpart shows the same.
As they should.
856 MB partition is the WinRE partition
11.94 GB is the OEM included partition(as-shipped, factory image
version/build of the o/s and all software, drivers, apps)
>
> https://postimg.cc/gallery/VSSKNkY
>
> Perhaps the update is looking to install itself on the 856 MB partition,
> where there's not enough room?
Correct.
You can determine the free space of the 856 MB partition by using a
Powershell admin command prompt
Get-Volume
>
> I'm not trying to get this update installed. I suspect I'd have to
> resize the 856 MB partition. I'm just wondering why Everyting shows 150
> BitLocker objects. (Maybe it's there in case the user upgraded to
> Windows 10 Pro?
Correct, good assumption...the 856 MB probably lacks sufficient space.
Unlike earlier updates, this WinRE partition update requires more space
to update the winre.wim version and build in addition to the included
security patch....the space is needed to perform the update, not the size
of the installed build/version or the final increase in size of the WinRE
partition.

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Subject: Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?
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 by: Paul - Sat, 16 Mar 2024 01:10 UTC

On 3/15/2024 6:12 PM, Boris wrote:
> Running Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build 19045.4170
>
> KB5034441 keeps failing to install on my Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build
> 19045.4170
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5034441-windows-recovery-
> environment-update-for-windows-10-version-21h2-and-22h2-january-9-2024-
> 62c04204-aaa5-4fee-a02a-2fdea17075a8
>
> This update "addresses a security vulnerability that could allow
> attackers to bypass BitLocker encryption by using WinRE."
>
> I wondered why my Windows 10 Home was getting this update downloaded to
> my machine because what I've read says that BitLocker doesn't come with
> Windows 10 Home. I thought that might explain the install failure.
> Based on this, I decided that this update didn't apply to my OS and used
> Windows Update Show/Hide to hide the update.
>
> Afterwards, I decided to search for the term "BitLocker". Everything
> found 150 objects. Huh? But I'm running Windows 10 Home. What's up?
>
> OK, let's say that BitLocker is on my Windows 10 Home machine.
> Requirements for this update state, "This update requires 250 MB of free
> space in the recovery partition to install successfully. If the recovery
> partition does not have sufficient free space, this update will fail."
>
> reagentc /info tells me that Windows RE status is Enabled
>
> Disk Management shows I have two recovery partitions, 856 MB and 11.94
> GB. Diskpart shows the same.
>
> https://postimg.cc/gallery/VSSKNkY
>
> Perhaps the update is looking to install itself on the 856 MB partition,
> where there's not enough room?
>
> I'm not trying to get this update installed. I suspect I'd have to
> resize the 856 MB partition. I'm just wondering why Everyting shows 150
> BitLocker objects. (Maybe it's there in case the user upgraded to
> Windows 10 Pro?}
>

admin terminal:

manage-bde -status

And a typical response

Size: 118.73 GB
BitLocker Version: None
Conversion Status: Fully Decrypted
Percentage Encrypted: 0.0%
Encryption Method: None
Protection Status: Protection Off
Lock Status: Unlocked
Identification Field: None
Key Protectors: None Found

In that example, no sign of "software Bitlocker", a Win10 Pro feature,
and no sign of FDE (a replacement for Bitlocker and can be applied
to a Home installation, on certain brands of OEM laptops). FDE is Full Disk
Encryption and presumably something in the TPM has a key protector for
the FDE. FDE is not bulletproof, and I don't think it would constitute
a "good enough practice" for HIPPA, since it's known to suck.

*******

$> diskpart

Microsoft DiskPart version 10.0.22621.1

Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation.
On computer: WALLACE

DISKPART> list disk

Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
-------- ------------- ------- ------- --- ---
Disk 0 Online 3726 GB 2794 GB *

DISKPART> select disk 0

Disk 0 is now the selected disk.

DISKPART> list partition

Partition ### Type Size Offset
------------- ---------------- ------- -------
Partition 1 System 100 MB 1024 KB
Partition 2 Reserved 16 MB 101 MB
Partition 3 Primary 118 GB 117 MB (Win11Home)
Partition 4 Recovery 649 MB 118 GB
Partition 5 Primary 128 GB 119 GB (Win10Pro)
Partition 6 Recovery 1025 MB 248 GB <=== Win10 Recovery
Partition 7 Primary 682 GB 249 GB

DISKPART> select partition 6

Partition 6 is now the selected partition.

DISKPART> assign letter=k

DiskPart successfully assigned the drive letter or mount point.

DISKPART> exit

Leaving DiskPart...
$> k:
$> cmd
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.22631.3296]
(c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

K:\>dir /ah
Volume in drive K has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 6C1C-D72A

Directory of K:\

01/14/2024 01:55 PM 0 $WINRE_BACKUP_PARTITION.MARKER
01/14/2024 01:49 PM 112 bootTel.dat
01/14/2024 01:50 PM <DIR> Recovery
05/24/2023 06:11 AM <DIR> System Volume Information
2 File(s) 112 bytes
2 Dir(s) 539,164,672 bytes free

K:\>cd Recovery

K:\Recovery>dir /ah
Volume in drive K has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 6C1C-D72A

Directory of K:\Recovery

01/14/2024 01:50 PM <DIR> .
01/14/2024 01:55 PM <DIR> ..
01/14/2024 01:55 PM <DIR> WindowsRE
0 File(s) 0 bytes
3 Dir(s) 539,164,672 bytes free

K:\Recovery>cd WindowsRE

K:\Recovery\WindowsRE>dir /ah
Volume in drive K has no label.
Volume Serial Number is 6C1C-D72A

Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE

01/14/2024 01:55 PM <DIR> .
01/14/2024 01:50 PM <DIR> ..
12/07/2019 05:08 AM 3,170,304 boot.sdi
01/14/2024 01:50 PM 1,109 ReAgent.xml
01/14/2024 01:55 PM 517,679,270 winre.wim <=== can't copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get it
3 File(s) 520,850,683 bytes
2 Dir(s) 539,164,672 bytes free

493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)

The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
some amount of "safety room".

My guess is, some other mysterious force is preventing
'4441 from entry.

Paul

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 by: MikeS - Sat, 16 Mar 2024 07:55 UTC

On 15/03/2024 22:12, Boris wrote:
> Running Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build 19045.4170
>
> KB5034441 keeps failing to install on my Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build
> 19045.4170
>
> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5034441-windows-recovery-
> environment-update-for-windows-10-version-21h2-and-22h2-january-9-2024-
> 62c04204-aaa5-4fee-a02a-2fdea17075a8
>
> This update "addresses a security vulnerability that could allow
> attackers to bypass BitLocker encryption by using WinRE."
>
> I wondered why my Windows 10 Home was getting this update downloaded to
> my machine because what I've read says that BitLocker doesn't come with
> Windows 10 Home. I thought that might explain the install failure.
> Based on this, I decided that this update didn't apply to my OS and used
> Windows Update Show/Hide to hide the update.
>
> Afterwards, I decided to search for the term "BitLocker". Everything
> found 150 objects. Huh? But I'm running Windows 10 Home. What's up?
>
> OK, let's say that BitLocker is on my Windows 10 Home machine.
> Requirements for this update state, "This update requires 250 MB of free
> space in the recovery partition to install successfully. If the recovery
> partition does not have sufficient free space, this update will fail."
>
> reagentc /info tells me that Windows RE status is Enabled
>
> Disk Management shows I have two recovery partitions, 856 MB and 11.94
> GB. Diskpart shows the same.
>
> https://postimg.cc/gallery/VSSKNkY
>
> Perhaps the update is looking to install itself on the 856 MB partition,
> where there's not enough room?
>
> I'm not trying to get this update installed. I suspect I'd have to
> resize the 856 MB partition. I'm just wondering why Everyting shows 150
> BitLocker objects. (Maybe it's there in case the user upgraded to
> Windows 10 Pro?}

Was Windows 10 upgraded from an older version of Windows?
I have an old Toshiba laptop that came with Win 8 Home and I remember
needing to turn BitLocker off.

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 by: Boris - Sat, 16 Mar 2024 16:49 UTC

MikeS <mikes@invalid.net> wrote in news:ut3j95$21sl6$1@i2pn2.org:

> On 15/03/2024 22:12, Boris wrote:
>> Running Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build 19045.4170
>>
>> KB5034441 keeps failing to install on my Windows 10 Home, 22H2, build
>> 19045.4170
>>
>> https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/topic/kb5034441-windows-recovery-
>> environment-update-for-windows-10-version-21h2-and-22h2-january-9-2024-
>> 62c04204-aaa5-4fee-a02a-2fdea17075a8
>>
>> This update "addresses a security vulnerability that could allow
>> attackers to bypass BitLocker encryption by using WinRE."
>>
>> I wondered why my Windows 10 Home was getting this update downloaded to
>> my machine because what I've read says that BitLocker doesn't come with
>> Windows 10 Home. I thought that might explain the install failure.
>> Based on this, I decided that this update didn't apply to my OS and used
>> Windows Update Show/Hide to hide the update.
>>
>> Afterwards, I decided to search for the term "BitLocker". Everything
>> found 150 objects. Huh? But I'm running Windows 10 Home. What's up?
>>
>> OK, let's say that BitLocker is on my Windows 10 Home machine.
>> Requirements for this update state, "This update requires 250 MB of free
>> space in the recovery partition to install successfully. If the recovery
>> partition does not have sufficient free space, this update will fail."
>>
>> reagentc /info tells me that Windows RE status is Enabled
>>
>> Disk Management shows I have two recovery partitions, 856 MB and 11.94
>> GB. Diskpart shows the same.
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/gallery/VSSKNkY
>>
>> Perhaps the update is looking to install itself on the 856 MB partition,
>> where there's not enough room?
>>
>> I'm not trying to get this update installed. I suspect I'd have to
>> resize the 856 MB partition. I'm just wondering why Everyting shows 150
>> BitLocker objects. (Maybe it's there in case the user upgraded to
>> Windows 10 Pro?}
>
> Was Windows 10 upgraded from an older version of Windows?
> I have an old Toshiba laptop that came with Win 8 Home and I remember
> needing to turn BitLocker off.
>
>

This is the Dell OEM install, I think from mid-2016. I think it was
version 1607.

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Sat, 16 Mar 2024 18:16 UTC

Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
> Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>
> 01/14/2024 01:55 PM <DIR> .
> 01/14/2024 01:50 PM <DIR> ..
> 12/07/2019 05:08 AM 3,170,304 boot.sdi
> 01/14/2024 01:50 PM 1,109 ReAgent.xml
> 01/14/2024 01:55 PM 517,679,270 winre.wim <=== can't copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get it
> 3 File(s) 520,850,683 bytes
> 2 Dir(s) 539,164,672 bytes free
>
> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>
> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
> some amount of "safety room".

Looks like winre.wim was updated.
Free space on that device only matters for the next update.

I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to the
installation process requiremenet, not the size of the existing or
updated files.
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Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?

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Subject: Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?
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 by: Paul - Sat, 16 Mar 2024 19:31 UTC

On 3/16/2024 2:16 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
> Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
>>   Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>>
>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM    <DIR>          .
>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM    <DIR>          ..
>> 12/07/2019  05:08 AM         3,170,304 boot.sdi
>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM             1,109 ReAgent.xml
>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM       517,679,270 winre.wim         <=== can't copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get it
>>                 3 File(s)    520,850,683 bytes
>>                 2 Dir(s)     539,164,672 bytes free
>>
>> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>>
>> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
>> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
>> some amount of "safety room".
>
> Looks like winre.wim was updated.
> Free space on that device only matters for the next update.
>
> I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to the installation process requiremenet, not the size of the existing or updated files.

I was referring to the difference between the OPs 829MB
versus the 493MB demonstrated by my winre.wim . There
is no reason for them to be exactly the same size, but
neither do I expect an "elephant" to be hiding in there.
There should be *lots* of elbow room for '4441
to install, between 829 and 493 (336 space left over).
The 829 tells me the OP had already taken heed of
some advice to up-size that partition. I don't think 829
is a canonical number for a vanilla installation.

I would want to check the reagentc status again (in
an admin terminal).

reagentc /info

It's hard to believe the installer doesn't have write
permission in there. Or, maybe it is unable to create
the temporary area it uses for preparing the winre.wim .

Paul

Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Sun, 17 Mar 2024 08:52 UTC

Paul wrote on 3/16/24 12:31 PM:
> On 3/16/2024 2:16 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>> Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
>>>   Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>>>
>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM    <DIR>          .
>>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM    <DIR>          ..
>>> 12/07/2019  05:08 AM         3,170,304 boot.sdi
>>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM             1,109 ReAgent.xml
>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM       517,679,270 winre.wim         <=== can't copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get it
>>>                 3 File(s)    520,850,683 bytes
>>>                 2 Dir(s)     539,164,672 bytes free
>>>
>>> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>>>
>>> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
>>> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
>>> some amount of "safety room".
>>
>> Looks like winre.wim was updated.
>> Free space on that device only matters for the next update.
>>
>> I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to the installation process requiremenet, not the size of the existing or updated files.
>
> I was referring to the difference between the OPs 829MB
> versus the 493MB demonstrated by my winre.wim . There
> is no reason for them to be exactly the same size, but
> neither do I expect an "elephant" to be hiding in there.
> There should be *lots* of elbow room for '4441
> to install, between 829 and 493 (336 space left over).
> The 829 tells me the OP had already taken heed of
> some advice to up-size that partition. I don't think 829
> is a canonical number for a vanilla installation.
>
> I would want to check the reagentc status again (in
> an admin terminal).
>
> reagentc /info
>
> It's hard to believe the installer doesn't have write
> permission in there. Or, maybe it is unable to create
> the temporary area it uses for preparing the winre.wim .
>
> Paul
>
Hi,Paul.
Just about every system I've seen reported or even my own have different
sizes for the WinRE partition sizes, free space before and after
installing KB5034441(and its safe o/s update).

Was your 493 MB winre.wim with its Jan. 2024 date previously updated with
KB5034441. Also, comparing a system with an updated winre.wim with another.
Your WinRE partition, W10Pro(partition #6) is 1025 MB(your results)
The OP's WinRe partition 856 MB(looks like you referred to it as 829 MB?)
- if your Win10 device was updated with KB5034441 and the op's wasn't(it
was reported as not being update) it would be after(yours) vs.
before(comparison).
=>Yes, the difference between 856 and 493 would be 364 MB, but imo, the
comparison, in this case, is only your 1025 MB WinRE partition vs. the
op's 856 MB.

It would be helpful, if the op(Boris in this thread) reported the results
of the WinRE partition size and free space.
Powershell admin mode
Get-Volume

Other comments:
---------------
1. WinRE partition on my Win10 Pro device, updated with KB5034441
- WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 355 MB, winre.wim 661 MB
=> This device with the 661 MB winre.wim after updating with 5034441,
without having to shrink C/resize WinRE - the 1024 MB partition was
created at an earlier time during a clean install replacing an HDD with SSD

2. Win11 Pro, not the same o/s for comparison sake, and on another device
has:
WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 195 MB, winre.wim 810 MB
....but it does indicate that winre.wim and the WinRE partition total
size, free space is not necessarily common(nor has it ever been) across
the same or later o/s and other devices(including yours and probably many
others too).
- ...I could add another of my Win 10 Pro devices with a different
WinRE partition(total, free space, and different winre.wim) size
e.g. my Surface 3 W10Pro 22H2, which updated with 5034441 without a
necessary shrink/resize but required advanced prep after initially
failing 5034441 - disabled System Restore points, Disk Cleanup in admin
mode(selecting everything), disabled WU, BITS, delete Software
Distribution and let Windows rebuild...but that would only add more
confirmation that WinRE partition size(and its files, free space) varies
quite a bit across devices...maybe even validating the MSFT 250 MB shrink
choice to increase WinRE partition size is a number specifically for the
installation requirements across hundreds of million devices with only a
small bit for winre.wim size increase(which has been growing periodically
for the last 8 yrs.)

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Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?

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 by: Boris - Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:07 UTC

=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ut6b0c$3ef2l$1@dont-email.me:

> Paul wrote on 3/16/24 12:31 PM:
>> On 3/16/2024 2:16 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>> Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
>>>>   Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>>>>
>>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM    <DIR>          .
>>>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM    <DIR>          ..
>>>> 12/07/2019  05:08 AM         3,170,304 boot.sdi
>>>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM             1,109 ReAgent.xml
>>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM       517,679,270
>>>> winre.wim         <=== can't copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get
>>>> it
>>>>                 3 File(s)    520,850,683 bytes
>>>>                 2 Dir(s)     539,164,672 bytes
>>>> free
>>>>
>>>> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>>>>
>>>> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
>>>> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
>>>> some amount of "safety room".
>>>
>>> Looks like winre.wim was updated.
>>> Free space on that device only matters for the next update.
>>>
>>> I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to the
>>> installation process requiremenet, not the size of the existing or
>>> updated files.
>>
>> I was referring to the difference between the OPs 829MB
>> versus the 493MB demonstrated by my winre.wim . There
>> is no reason for them to be exactly the same size, but
>> neither do I expect an "elephant" to be hiding in there.
>> There should be *lots* of elbow room for '4441
>> to install, between 829 and 493 (336 space left over).
>> The 829 tells me the OP had already taken heed of
>> some advice to up-size that partition. I don't think 829
>> is a canonical number for a vanilla installation.
>>
>> I would want to check the reagentc status again (in
>> an admin terminal).
>>
>> reagentc /info
>>
>> It's hard to believe the installer doesn't have write
>> permission in there. Or, maybe it is unable to create
>> the temporary area it uses for preparing the winre.wim .
>>
>> Paul
>>
> Hi,Paul.
> Just about every system I've seen reported or even my own have
> different sizes for the WinRE partition sizes, free space before and
> after installing KB5034441(and its safe o/s update).
>
> Was your 493 MB winre.wim with its Jan. 2024 date previously updated
> with KB5034441. Also, comparing a system with an updated winre.wim
> with another. Your WinRE partition, W10Pro(partition #6) is 1025
> MB(your results) The OP's WinRe partition 856 MB(looks like you
> referred to it as 829 MB?) - if your Win10 device was updated with
> KB5034441 and the op's wasn't(it was reported as not being update) it
> would be after(yours) vs. before(comparison).
> =>Yes, the difference between 856 and 493 would be 364 MB, but imo,
> the
> comparison, in this case, is only your 1025 MB WinRE partition vs. the
> op's 856 MB.
>
> It would be helpful, if the op(Boris in this thread) reported the
> results of the WinRE partition size and free space.
> Powershell admin mode
> Get-Volume
>
> Other comments:
> ---------------
> 1. WinRE partition on my Win10 Pro device, updated with KB5034441
> - WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 355 MB, winre.wim 661 MB
> => This device with the 661 MB winre.wim after updating with
> 5034441,
> without having to shrink C/resize WinRE - the 1024 MB partition was
> created at an earlier time during a clean install replacing an HDD
> with SSD
>
> 2. Win11 Pro, not the same o/s for comparison sake, and on another
> device has:
> WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 195 MB, winre.wim 810 MB
> ...but it does indicate that winre.wim and the WinRE partition total
> size, free space is not necessarily common(nor has it ever been)
> across the same or later o/s and other devices(including yours and
> probably many others too).
> - ...I could add another of my Win 10 Pro devices with a different
> WinRE partition(total, free space, and different winre.wim) size
> e.g. my Surface 3 W10Pro 22H2, which updated with 5034441 without a
> necessary shrink/resize but required advanced prep after initially
> failing 5034441 - disabled System Restore points, Disk Cleanup in
> admin mode(selecting everything), disabled WU, BITS, delete Software
> Distribution and let Windows rebuild...but that would only add more
> confirmation that WinRE partition size(and its files, free space)
> varies quite a bit across devices...maybe even validating the MSFT 250
> MB shrink choice to increase WinRE partition size is a number
> specifically for the installation requirements across hundreds of
> million devices with only a small bit for winre.wim size
> increase(which has been growing periodically for the last 8 yrs.)
>
>

Below is a copy/paste of Get-Volume. Sorry it's wrapped, so here's a
screenshot that may be easier to read:

https://postimg.cc/5Q8gcM1L

Windows PowerShell
Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.

Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-Volume

DriveLetter FriendlyName FileSystemType DriveType HealthStatus
OperationalStatus SizeRemaining Size
----------- ------------ -------------- --------- ------------
----------------- ------------- ----
D Unknown CD-ROM Healthy Unknown
0 B 0 B
Image NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
620.39 MB 11.94 GB
NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
426.64 MB 856 MB
ESP FAT32 Fixed Healthy OK
462.12 MB 496 MB
C OS NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
791.73 GB 918.12 GB

PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>

------------------------------------

Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated March
3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.

convert gpt
create partition efi size=200
format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
assign letter="S"
create partition msr size=16
create partition primary
shrink minimum=12679
format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
assign letter="W"
create partition primary size=450 id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
format quick fs=ntfs label="WINRETOOLS"
assign letter="T"
gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
create partition primary size=12229 id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
format quick fs=ntfs label="Image"
assign letter="R"
gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
assign letter="Q"
gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
list vol
exit

----------------------------

This directory contained:

AfterImageApply_BDB0C1E8-6951-46C4-AB7F-C07B29F462FD.cmd, 3/13/2022
bootmenu.xml, 6/12/2015
DellEFI.wim, 3/23/2016
diskpart.txt, 3/23/2016
DK-EXC.exe, 7/15/2015
EnableWinRE.log, 3/23/2016
ResetConfig.xml, 3/13/2022
ResetConfig_F62B90D4-A654-4CFE-B625-213D47A83416.xml, 3/23/2016

I thought some of the above may be of interest/helpful.

Thanks.

Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?

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 by: Paul - Sun, 17 Mar 2024 16:38 UTC

On 3/17/2024 12:07 PM, Boris wrote:
> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ut6b0c$3ef2l$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Paul wrote on 3/16/24 12:31 PM:
>>> On 3/16/2024 2:16 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>> Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
>>>>>   Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>>>>>
>>>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM    <DIR>          .
>>>>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM    <DIR>          ..
>>>>> 12/07/2019  05:08 AM         3,170,304 boot.sdi
>>>>> 01/14/2024  01:50 PM             1,109 ReAgent.xml
>>>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM       517,679,270
>>>>> winre.wim         <=== can't copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get
>>>>> it
>>>>>                 3 File(s)    520,850,683 bytes
>>>>>                 2 Dir(s)     539,164,672 bytes
>>>>> free
>>>>>
>>>>> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>>>>>
>>>>> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
>>>>> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
>>>>> some amount of "safety room".
>>>>
>>>> Looks like winre.wim was updated.
>>>> Free space on that device only matters for the next update.
>>>>
>>>> I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to the
>>>> installation process requiremenet, not the size of the existing or
>>>> updated files.
>>>
>>> I was referring to the difference between the OPs 829MB
>>> versus the 493MB demonstrated by my winre.wim . There
>>> is no reason for them to be exactly the same size, but
>>> neither do I expect an "elephant" to be hiding in there.
>>> There should be *lots* of elbow room for '4441
>>> to install, between 829 and 493 (336 space left over).
>>> The 829 tells me the OP had already taken heed of
>>> some advice to up-size that partition. I don't think 829
>>> is a canonical number for a vanilla installation.
>>>
>>> I would want to check the reagentc status again (in
>>> an admin terminal).
>>>
>>> reagentc /info
>>>
>>> It's hard to believe the installer doesn't have write
>>> permission in there. Or, maybe it is unable to create
>>> the temporary area it uses for preparing the winre.wim .
>>>
>>> Paul
>>>
>> Hi,Paul.
>> Just about every system I've seen reported or even my own have
>> different sizes for the WinRE partition sizes, free space before and
>> after installing KB5034441(and its safe o/s update).
>>
>> Was your 493 MB winre.wim with its Jan. 2024 date previously updated
>> with KB5034441. Also, comparing a system with an updated winre.wim
>> with another. Your WinRE partition, W10Pro(partition #6) is 1025
>> MB(your results) The OP's WinRe partition 856 MB(looks like you
>> referred to it as 829 MB?) - if your Win10 device was updated with
>> KB5034441 and the op's wasn't(it was reported as not being update) it
>> would be after(yours) vs. before(comparison).
>> =>Yes, the difference between 856 and 493 would be 364 MB, but imo,
>> the
>> comparison, in this case, is only your 1025 MB WinRE partition vs. the
>> op's 856 MB.
>>
>> It would be helpful, if the op(Boris in this thread) reported the
>> results of the WinRE partition size and free space.
>> Powershell admin mode
>> Get-Volume
>>
>> Other comments:
>> ---------------
>> 1. WinRE partition on my Win10 Pro device, updated with KB5034441
>> - WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 355 MB, winre.wim 661 MB
>> => This device with the 661 MB winre.wim after updating with
>> 5034441,
>> without having to shrink C/resize WinRE - the 1024 MB partition was
>> created at an earlier time during a clean install replacing an HDD
>> with SSD
>>
>> 2. Win11 Pro, not the same o/s for comparison sake, and on another
>> device has:
>> WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 195 MB, winre.wim 810 MB
>> ...but it does indicate that winre.wim and the WinRE partition total
>> size, free space is not necessarily common(nor has it ever been)
>> across the same or later o/s and other devices(including yours and
>> probably many others too).
>> - ...I could add another of my Win 10 Pro devices with a different
>> WinRE partition(total, free space, and different winre.wim) size
>> e.g. my Surface 3 W10Pro 22H2, which updated with 5034441 without a
>> necessary shrink/resize but required advanced prep after initially
>> failing 5034441 - disabled System Restore points, Disk Cleanup in
>> admin mode(selecting everything), disabled WU, BITS, delete Software
>> Distribution and let Windows rebuild...but that would only add more
>> confirmation that WinRE partition size(and its files, free space)
>> varies quite a bit across devices...maybe even validating the MSFT 250
>> MB shrink choice to increase WinRE partition size is a number
>> specifically for the installation requirements across hundreds of
>> million devices with only a small bit for winre.wim size
>> increase(which has been growing periodically for the last 8 yrs.)
>>
>>
>
> Below is a copy/paste of Get-Volume. Sorry it's wrapped, so here's a
> screenshot that may be easier to read:
>
> https://postimg.cc/5Q8gcM1L
>
> Windows PowerShell
> Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>
> Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6
>
> PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-Volume
>
> DriveLetter FriendlyName FileSystemType DriveType HealthStatus
> OperationalStatus SizeRemaining Size
> ----------- ------------ -------------- --------- ------------
> ----------------- ------------- ----
> D Unknown CD-ROM Healthy Unknown
> 0 B 0 B
> Image NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
> 620.39 MB 11.94 GB
> NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
> 426.64 MB 856 MB
> ESP FAT32 Fixed Healthy OK
> 462.12 MB 496 MB
> C OS NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
> 791.73 GB 918.12 GB
>
>
> PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>
>
> ------------------------------------
>
> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated March
> 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>
> convert gpt
> create partition efi size=200
> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
> assign letter="S"
> create partition msr size=16
> create partition primary
> shrink minimum=12679
> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
> assign letter="W"
> create partition primary size=450 id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
> format quick fs=ntfs label="WINRETOOLS"
> assign letter="T"
> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
> create partition primary size=12229 id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
> format quick fs=ntfs label="Image"
> assign letter="R"
> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
> assign letter="Q"
> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
> list vol
> exit
>
> ----------------------------
>
> This directory contained:
>
> AfterImageApply_BDB0C1E8-6951-46C4-AB7F-C07B29F462FD.cmd, 3/13/2022
> bootmenu.xml, 6/12/2015
> DellEFI.wim, 3/23/2016
> diskpart.txt, 3/23/2016
> DK-EXC.exe, 7/15/2015
> EnableWinRE.log, 3/23/2016
> ResetConfig.xml, 3/13/2022
> ResetConfig_F62B90D4-A654-4CFE-B625-213D47A83416.xml, 3/23/2016
>
> I thought some of the above may be of interest/helpful.
>
> Thanks.
>

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Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:ut769q$3k7ga$1@dont-email.me:

> On 3/17/2024 12:07 PM, Boris wrote:
>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ut6b0c$3ef2l$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Paul wrote on 3/16/24 12:31 PM:
>>>> On 3/16/2024 2:16 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>> Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
>>>>>>   Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM   
>>>>>> <DIR>          . 01/14/2024  01:50
>>>>>> PM    <DIR>          ..
>>>>>> 12/07/2019  05:08 AM         3,170,304
>>>>>> boot.sdi 01/14/2024  01:50
>>>>>> PM             1,109
>>>>>> ReAgent.xml 01/14/2024  01:55 PM      
>>>>>> 517,679,270 winre.wim         <=== can't
>>>>>> copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get it
>>>>>>                 3
>>>>>> File(s)    520,850,683 bytes
>>>>>>                 2
>>>>>> Dir(s)     539,164,672 bytes free
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
>>>>>> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
>>>>>> some amount of "safety room".
>>>>>
>>>>> Looks like winre.wim was updated.
>>>>> Free space on that device only matters for the next update.
>>>>>
>>>>> I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to
>>>>> the installation process requiremenet, not the size of the
>>>>> existing or updated files.
>>>>
>>>> I was referring to the difference between the OPs 829MB
>>>> versus the 493MB demonstrated by my winre.wim . There
>>>> is no reason for them to be exactly the same size, but
>>>> neither do I expect an "elephant" to be hiding in there.
>>>> There should be *lots* of elbow room for '4441
>>>> to install, between 829 and 493 (336 space left over).
>>>> The 829 tells me the OP had already taken heed of
>>>> some advice to up-size that partition. I don't think 829
>>>> is a canonical number for a vanilla installation.
>>>>
>>>> I would want to check the reagentc status again (in
>>>> an admin terminal).
>>>>
>>>> reagentc /info
>>>>
>>>> It's hard to believe the installer doesn't have write
>>>> permission in there. Or, maybe it is unable to create
>>>> the temporary area it uses for preparing the winre.wim .
>>>>
>>>> Paul
>>>>
>>> Hi,Paul.
>>> Just about every system I've seen reported or even my own have
>>> different sizes for the WinRE partition sizes, free space before and
>>> after installing KB5034441(and its safe o/s update).
>>>
>>> Was your 493 MB winre.wim with its Jan. 2024 date previously updated
>>> with KB5034441. Also, comparing a system with an updated winre.wim
>>> with another. Your WinRE partition, W10Pro(partition #6) is 1025
>>> MB(your results) The OP's WinRe partition 856 MB(looks like you
>>> referred to it as 829 MB?) - if your Win10 device was updated with
>>> KB5034441 and the op's wasn't(it was reported as not being update)
>>> it would be after(yours) vs. before(comparison).
>>> =>Yes, the difference between 856 and 493 would be 364 MB, but
>>> imo, the
>>> comparison, in this case, is only your 1025 MB WinRE partition vs.
>>> the op's 856 MB.
>>>
>>> It would be helpful, if the op(Boris in this thread) reported the
>>> results of the WinRE partition size and free space.
>>> Powershell admin mode
>>> Get-Volume
>>>
>>> Other comments:
>>> ---------------
>>> 1. WinRE partition on my Win10 Pro device, updated with KB5034441
>>> - WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 355 MB, winre.wim 661
>>> MB => This device with the 661 MB winre.wim after updating with
>>> 5034441,
>>> without having to shrink C/resize WinRE - the 1024 MB partition was
>>> created at an earlier time during a clean install replacing an HDD
>>> with SSD
>>>
>>> 2. Win11 Pro, not the same o/s for comparison sake, and on another
>>> device has:
>>> WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 195 MB, winre.wim 810 MB
>>> ...but it does indicate that winre.wim and the WinRE partition total
>>> size, free space is not necessarily common(nor has it ever been)
>>> across the same or later o/s and other devices(including yours and
>>> probably many others too).
>>> - ...I could add another of my Win 10 Pro devices with a different
>>> WinRE partition(total, free space, and different winre.wim) size
>>> e.g. my Surface 3 W10Pro 22H2, which updated with 5034441 without a
>>> necessary shrink/resize but required advanced prep after initially
>>> failing 5034441 - disabled System Restore points, Disk Cleanup in
>>> admin mode(selecting everything), disabled WU, BITS, delete Software
>>> Distribution and let Windows rebuild...but that would only add more
>>> confirmation that WinRE partition size(and its files, free space)
>>> varies quite a bit across devices...maybe even validating the MSFT
>>> 250 MB shrink choice to increase WinRE partition size is a number
>>> specifically for the installation requirements across hundreds of
>>> million devices with only a small bit for winre.wim size
>>> increase(which has been growing periodically for the last 8 yrs.)
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Below is a copy/paste of Get-Volume. Sorry it's wrapped, so here's a
>> screenshot that may be easier to read:
>>
>> https://postimg.cc/5Q8gcM1L
>>
>> Windows PowerShell
>> Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>>
>> Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6
>>
>> PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-Volume
>>
>> DriveLetter FriendlyName FileSystemType DriveType HealthStatus
>> OperationalStatus SizeRemaining Size
>> ----------- ------------ -------------- --------- ------------
>> ----------------- ------------- ----
>> D Unknown CD-ROM Healthy
>> Unknown 0 B 0 B
>> Image NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
>>
>> 620.39 MB 11.94 GB
>> NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
>>
>> 426.64 MB 856 MB
>> ESP FAT32 Fixed Healthy OK
>>
>> 462.12 MB 496 MB
>> C OS NTFS Fixed Healthy OK
>> 791.73 GB 918.12 GB
>>
>>
>> PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>
>>
>> ------------------------------------
>>
>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>
>> convert gpt
>> create partition efi size=200
>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>> assign letter="S"
>> create partition msr size=16
>> create partition primary
>> shrink minimum=12679
>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>> assign letter="W"
>> create partition primary size=450
>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>> create partition primary size=12229
>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>> assign letter="Q"
>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>> list vol
>> exit
>>
>> ----------------------------
>>
>> This directory contained:
>>
>> AfterImageApply_BDB0C1E8-6951-46C4-AB7F-C07B29F462FD.cmd, 3/13/2022
>> bootmenu.xml, 6/12/2015
>> DellEFI.wim, 3/23/2016
>> diskpart.txt, 3/23/2016
>> DK-EXC.exe, 7/15/2015
>> EnableWinRE.log, 3/23/2016
>> ResetConfig.xml, 3/13/2022
>> ResetConfig_F62B90D4-A654-4CFE-B625-213D47A83416.xml, 3/23/2016
>>
>> I thought some of the above may be of interest/helpful.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>
>
> If you do
>
> admin terminal:
>
> reagentc /info # assuming it is actually enabled... we'll try
> some more things reagentc /disable
> reagentc /enable
> reagentc /info
>
> does the status come back to the original value ?
>
> Do any of the steps fail ?
>
> Perhaps that might verify the plumbing on it.
>
> Paul
>
>


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On 3/17/2024 3:21 PM, Boris wrote:
> Paul <nospam@needed.invalid> wrote in news:ut769q$3k7ga$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> On 3/17/2024 12:07 PM, Boris wrote:
>>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ut6b0c$3ef2l$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Paul wrote on 3/16/24 12:31 PM:
>>>>> On 3/16/2024 2:16 PM, ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ wrote:
>>>>>> Paul wrote on 3/15/24 6:10 PM:
>>>>>>>   Directory of K:\Recovery\WindowsRE
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 01/14/2024  01:55 PM   
>>>>>>> <DIR>          . 01/14/2024  01:50
>>>>>>> PM    <DIR>          ..
>>>>>>> 12/07/2019  05:08 AM         3,170,304
>>>>>>> boot.sdi 01/14/2024  01:50
>>>>>>> PM             1,109
>>>>>>> ReAgent.xml 01/14/2024  01:55 PM      
>>>>>>> 517,679,270 winre.wim         <=== can't
>>>>>>> copy, but Testdisk 7.0 can get it
>>>>>>>                 3
>>>>>>> File(s)    520,850,683 bytes
>>>>>>>                 2
>>>>>>> Dir(s)     539,164,672 bytes free
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 493 MB (517,679,270 bytes)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The size does not look like a challenge for the 1GB
>>>>>>> partition I gave it. They are likely leaving
>>>>>>> some amount of "safety room".
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Looks like winre.wim was updated.
>>>>>> Free space on that device only matters for the next update.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I've covered this before...the free space requirement applies to
>>>>>> the installation process requiremenet, not the size of the
>>>>>> existing or updated files.
>>>>>
>>>>> I was referring to the difference between the OPs 829MB
>>>>> versus the 493MB demonstrated by my winre.wim . There
>>>>> is no reason for them to be exactly the same size, but
>>>>> neither do I expect an "elephant" to be hiding in there.
>>>>> There should be *lots* of elbow room for '4441
>>>>> to install, between 829 and 493 (336 space left over).
>>>>> The 829 tells me the OP had already taken heed of
>>>>> some advice to up-size that partition. I don't think 829
>>>>> is a canonical number for a vanilla installation.
>>>>>
>>>>> I would want to check the reagentc status again (in
>>>>> an admin terminal).
>>>>>
>>>>> reagentc /info
>>>>>
>>>>> It's hard to believe the installer doesn't have write
>>>>> permission in there. Or, maybe it is unable to create
>>>>> the temporary area it uses for preparing the winre.wim .
>>>>>
>>>>> Paul
>>>>>
>>>> Hi,Paul.
>>>> Just about every system I've seen reported or even my own have
>>>> different sizes for the WinRE partition sizes, free space before and
>>>> after installing KB5034441(and its safe o/s update).
>>>>
>>>> Was your 493 MB winre.wim with its Jan. 2024 date previously updated
>>>> with KB5034441. Also, comparing a system with an updated winre.wim
>>>> with another. Your WinRE partition, W10Pro(partition #6) is 1025
>>>> MB(your results) The OP's WinRe partition 856 MB(looks like you
>>>> referred to it as 829 MB?) - if your Win10 device was updated with
>>>> KB5034441 and the op's wasn't(it was reported as not being update)
>>>> it would be after(yours) vs. before(comparison).
>>>> =>Yes, the difference between 856 and 493 would be 364 MB, but
>>>> imo, the
>>>> comparison, in this case, is only your 1025 MB WinRE partition vs.
>>>> the op's 856 MB.
>>>>
>>>> It would be helpful, if the op(Boris in this thread) reported the
>>>> results of the WinRE partition size and free space.
>>>> Powershell admin mode
>>>> Get-Volume
>>>>
>>>> Other comments:
>>>> ---------------
>>>> 1. WinRE partition on my Win10 Pro device, updated with KB5034441
>>>> - WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 355 MB, winre.wim 661
>>>> MB => This device with the 661 MB winre.wim after updating with
>>>> 5034441,
>>>> without having to shrink C/resize WinRE - the 1024 MB partition was
>>>> created at an earlier time during a clean install replacing an HDD
>>>> with SSD
>>>>
>>>> 2. Win11 Pro, not the same o/s for comparison sake, and on another
>>>> device has:
>>>> WinRE partition total 1024 MB, free space 195 MB, winre.wim 810 MB
>>>> ...but it does indicate that winre.wim and the WinRE partition total
>>>> size, free space is not necessarily common(nor has it ever been)
>>>> across the same or later o/s and other devices(including yours and
>>>> probably many others too).
>>>> - ...I could add another of my Win 10 Pro devices with a different
>>>> WinRE partition(total, free space, and different winre.wim) size
>>>> e.g. my Surface 3 W10Pro 22H2, which updated with 5034441 without a
>>>> necessary shrink/resize but required advanced prep after initially
>>>> failing 5034441 - disabled System Restore points, Disk Cleanup in
>>>> admin mode(selecting everything), disabled WU, BITS, delete Software
>>>> Distribution and let Windows rebuild...but that would only add more
>>>> confirmation that WinRE partition size(and its files, free space)
>>>> varies quite a bit across devices...maybe even validating the MSFT
>>>> 250 MB shrink choice to increase WinRE partition size is a number
>>>> specifically for the installation requirements across hundreds of
>>>> million devices with only a small bit for winre.wim size
>>>> increase(which has been growing periodically for the last 8 yrs.)
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Below is a copy/paste of Get-Volume. Sorry it's wrapped, so here's a
>>> screenshot that may be easier to read:
>>>
>>> https://postimg.cc/5Q8gcM1L
>>>
>>> Windows PowerShell
>>> Copyright (C) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>>>
>>> Try the new cross-platform PowerShell https://aka.ms/pscore6
>>>
>>> PS C:\WINDOWS\system32> Get-Volume
>>>
>>> DriveLetter FriendlyName FileSystemType DriveType HealthStatus OperationalStatus SizeRemaining Size
>>> ----------- ------------ -------------- --------- ------------ ----------------- ------------- ----
>>> D Unknown CD-ROM Healthy Unknown 0 B 0 B
>>> Image NTFS Fixed Healthy OK 620.39 MB 11.94 GB
>>> NTFS Fixed Healthy OK 426.64 MB 856 MB
>>> ESP FAT32 Fixed Healthy OK 462.12 MB 496 MB
>>> C OS NTFS Fixed Healthy OK 791.73 GB 918.12 GB
>>>
>>> PS C:\WINDOWS\system32>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>>
>>> convert gpt
>>> create partition efi size=200
>>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>>> assign letter="S"
>>> create partition msr size=16
>>> create partition primary
>>> shrink minimum=12679
>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>>> assign letter="W"
>>> create partition primary size=450
>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>> create partition primary size=12229
>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>>> assign letter="Q"
>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>> list vol
>>> exit
>>>
>>> ----------------------------
>>>
>>> This directory contained:
>>>
>>> AfterImageApply_BDB0C1E8-6951-46C4-AB7F-C07B29F462FD.cmd, 3/13/2022
>>> bootmenu.xml, 6/12/2015
>>> DellEFI.wim, 3/23/2016
>>> diskpart.txt, 3/23/2016
>>> DK-EXC.exe, 7/15/2015
>>> EnableWinRE.log, 3/23/2016
>>> ResetConfig.xml, 3/13/2022
>>> ResetConfig_F62B90D4-A654-4CFE-B625-213D47A83416.xml, 3/23/2016
>>>
>>> I thought some of the above may be of interest/helpful.
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> If you do
>>
>> admin terminal:
>>
>> reagentc /info # assuming it is actually enabled... we'll try some more things
>> reagentc /disable
>> reagentc /enable
>> reagentc /info
>>
>> does the status come back to the original value ?
>>
>> Do any of the steps fail ?
>>
>> Perhaps that might verify the plumbing on it.
>>
>> Paul
>>
>>
>
> Boot Configration Data changed:
>
> Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.19045.4170]
> (c) Microsoft Corporation. All rights reserved.
>
> C:\WINDOWS\system32>reagentc /info
> Windows Recovery Environment (Windows RE) and system reset configuration
> Information:
>
> Windows RE status: Enabled
> Windows RE location: \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE
> Boot Configuration Data (BCD) identifier: 4e779847-a827-11e9-8e98-847beb199e33
> Recovery image location:
> Recovery image index: 0
> Custom image location:
> Custom image index: 0
>
> REAGENTC.EXE: Operation Successful.
>
>
> C:\WINDOWS\system32>reagentc /disable
> REAGENTC.EXE: Operation Successful.
>
>
> C:\WINDOWS\system32>reagentc /enable
> REAGENTC.EXE: Operation Successful.
>
>
> C:\WINDOWS\system32>reagentc /info
> Windows Recovery Environment (Windows RE) and system reset configuration
> Information:
>
> Windows RE status: Enabled
> Windows RE location: \\?\GLOBALROOT\device\harddisk0\partition4\Recovery\WindowsRE
> Boot Configuration Data (BCD) identifier: 3fd1cfd0-e492-11ee-9040-2c6e8556f413
> Recovery image location:
> Recovery image index: 0
> Custom image location:
> Custom image index: 0
>
> REAGENTC.EXE: Operation Successful.


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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Mon, 18 Mar 2024 17:48 UTC

Boris wrote on 3/17/24 9:07 AM:
>
> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated March
> 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>
> convert gpt
> create partition efi size=200
> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
> assign letter="S"
> create partition msr size=16
> create partition primary
> shrink minimum=12679
> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
> assign letter="W"
> create partition primary size=450 id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
> format quick fs=ntfs label="WINRETOOLS"
> assign letter="T"
> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
> create partition primary size=12229 id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
> format quick fs=ntfs label="Image"
> assign letter="R"
> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
> assign letter="Q"
> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
> list vol
> exit

>
It's common for OEM's to include a *.txt file with the as-shipped
factory partitioning commands. During a factory reset, the *.txt file
extension is the requirement for diskpart to run the file as a script.

The above file indicates the OEM created 6 partitions
System 200MB
MSR 16 MB
Windows (GB in size less the following 3 partitions)
Recovery(Win RE Tools 450 MB)- the active WinRE partition
Image (11.9 GB) - the factory image of Windows and all pre-installed
software and apps
Dell Support(~1 GB) - Dell utilities probably used when running an app
Dell included in Windows to do or support the returning/resetting the
device to the as-shipped factory condition.

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 by: Boris - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 15:51 UTC

=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
news:ut9uop$9vgm$1@dont-email.me:

> Boris wrote on 3/17/24 9:07 AM:
>>
>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>
>> convert gpt
>> create partition efi size=200
>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>> assign letter="S"
>> create partition msr size=16
>> create partition primary
>> shrink minimum=12679
>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>> assign letter="W"
>> create partition primary size=450
>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>> create partition primary size=12229
>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>> assign letter="Q"
>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>> list vol
>> exit
>
>>
> It's common for OEM's to include a *.txt file with the as-shipped
> factory partitioning commands. During a factory reset, the *.txt file
> extension is the requirement for diskpart to run the file as a script.
>
> The above file indicates the OEM created 6 partitions
> System 200MB
> MSR 16 MB
> Windows (GB in size less the following 3 partitions)
> Recovery(Win RE Tools 450 MB)- the active WinRE partition
> Image (11.9 GB) - the factory image of Windows and all pre-installed
> software and apps
> Dell Support(~1 GB) - Dell utilities probably used when running an app
> Dell included in Windows to do or support the returning/resetting the
> device to the as-shipped factory condition.
>
>
>

Thanks.

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Tue, 19 Mar 2024 19:46 UTC

Boris wrote on 3/19/24 8:51 AM:
> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:ut9uop$9vgm$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Boris wrote on 3/17/24 9:07 AM:
>>>
>>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>>
>>> convert gpt
>>> create partition efi size=200
>>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>>> assign letter="S"
>>> create partition msr size=16
>>> create partition primary
>>> shrink minimum=12679
>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>>> assign letter="W"
>>> create partition primary size=450
>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>> create partition primary size=12229
>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>>> assign letter="Q"
>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>> list vol
>>> exit
>>
>>>
>> It's common for OEM's to include a *.txt file with the as-shipped
>> factory partitioning commands. During a factory reset, the *.txt file
>> extension is the requirement for diskpart to run the file as a script.
>>
>> The above file indicates the OEM created 6 partitions
>> System 200MB
>> MSR 16 MB
>> Windows (GB in size less the following 3 partitions)
>> Recovery(Win RE Tools 450 MB)- the active WinRE partition
>> Image (11.9 GB) - the factory image of Windows and all pre-installed
>> software and apps
>> Dell Support(~1 GB) - Dell utilities probably used when running an app
>> Dell included in Windows to do or support the returning/resetting the
>> device to the as-shipped factory condition.
>>
>>
>>
>
> Thanks.
>
You're welcome.
Fyi...if you compare the OEM factor partitioning with the partitioning
you reported.
- System(ESP aka EFI) partition is different 200 MB vs. 496 MB(500 MB
in Disk Management
- WinRE partition(Win RE Tools) is different 450 MB vs. 856 MB

The OEM partitioning files shows 6 partitions created(#6 as DellSupport)
yet your pics only indicate 5 partitions(counting the hidden 16 MB MSR),
which probably indicates that the DELLSUPPORT partition shown in the OEM
partitioning file is also hidden or no longer present.

You might be able to see the presence of the supposed DELLSUPPORT via a
Powershell or Command.com admin window(session) using Diskpart

In Diskpart
List disk
Sel disk # (the #-number that list disk shows for the o/s (probably 0)
List part

You should at least see partition 1 to 4 -vSystem, Reserved(the MSR),
Primary(Windows), Recovery, #5 Image...and if present, #6 DELLSUPPORT

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Re: BitLocker on Windows 10 Home?

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 by: Boris - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 03:55 UTC

=?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
news:utcq36$10m09$1@dont-email.me:

> Boris wrote on 3/19/24 8:51 AM:
>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:ut9uop$9vgm$1@dont-email.me:
>>
>>> Boris wrote on 3/17/24 9:07 AM:
>>>>
>>>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>>>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>>>
>>>> convert gpt
>>>> create partition efi size=200
>>>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>>>> assign letter="S"
>>>> create partition msr size=16
>>>> create partition primary
>>>> shrink minimum=12679
>>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>>>> assign letter="W"
>>>> create partition primary size=450
>>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>> create partition primary size=12229
>>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>>>> assign letter="Q"
>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>> list vol
>>>> exit
>>>
>>>>
>>> It's common for OEM's to include a *.txt file with the as-shipped
>>> factory partitioning commands. During a factory reset, the *.txt
>>> file extension is the requirement for diskpart to run the file as a
>>> script.
>>>
>>> The above file indicates the OEM created 6 partitions
>>> System 200MB
>>> MSR 16 MB
>>> Windows (GB in size less the following 3 partitions)
>>> Recovery(Win RE Tools 450 MB)- the active WinRE partition
>>> Image (11.9 GB) - the factory image of Windows and all pre-installed
>>> software and apps
>>> Dell Support(~1 GB) - Dell utilities probably used when running an
>>> app Dell included in Windows to do or support the
>>> returning/resetting the device to the as-shipped factory condition.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
> You're welcome.
> Fyi...if you compare the OEM factor partitioning with the
> partitioning
> you reported.
> - System(ESP aka EFI) partition is different 200 MB vs. 496 MB(500
> MB
> in Disk Management
> - WinRE partition(Win RE Tools) is different 450 MB vs. 856 MB
>
> The OEM partitioning files shows 6 partitions created(#6 as
> DellSupport) yet your pics only indicate 5 partitions(counting the
> hidden 16 MB MSR), which probably indicates that the DELLSUPPORT
> partition shown in the OEM partitioning file is also hidden or no
> longer present.
It was difficult for me to line up the partitons as shown by the OEM
partitioning file, Disk Management, and Diskpart. Partitions numbers
and sizes were different. I thought it was odd that Disk Management
showed Free Space 100% for all but the boot disk, OS (C:)
>
> You might be able to see the presence of the supposed DELLSUPPORT via
> a Powershell or Command.com admin window(session) using Diskpart
>
> In Diskpart
> List disk
> Sel disk # (the #-number that list disk shows for the o/s (probably 0)
> List part
>
> You should at least see partition 1 to 4 -vSystem, Reserved(the MSR),
> Primary(Windows), Recovery, #5 Image...and if present, #6 DELLSUPPORT
>

DISKPART> List disk

Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
-------- ------------- ------- ------- --- ---
Disk 0 Online 931 GB 0 B *

DISKPART> Sel disk 0

Disk 0 is now the selected disk.

DISKPART> List part

Partition ### Type Size Offset
------------- ---------------- ------- -------
Partition 1 System 500 MB 1024 KB
Partition 2 Reserved 128 MB 501 MB
Partition 3 Primary 918 GB 629 MB
Partition 4 Recovery 856 MB 918 GB
Partition 5 Recovery 11 GB 919 GB

DISKPART>

It does appear that the DELLSUPPORT partition #6 is either missing or
hidden.

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Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote in
news:XnsB13BD4C5F871EBorisinvalidinvalid@135.181.20.170:

> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
> news:utcq36$10m09$1@dont-email.me:
>
>> Boris wrote on 3/19/24 8:51 AM:
>>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
>>> news:ut9uop$9vgm$1@dont-email.me:
>>>
>>>> Boris wrote on 3/17/24 9:07 AM:
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>>>>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>>>>
>>>>> convert gpt
>>>>> create partition efi size=200
>>>>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>>>>> assign letter="S"
>>>>> create partition msr size=16
>>>>> create partition primary
>>>>> shrink minimum=12679
>>>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>>>>> assign letter="W"
>>>>> create partition primary size=450
>>>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>>>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>>> create partition primary size=12229
>>>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>>>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>>>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>>>>> assign letter="Q"
>>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>>> list vol
>>>>> exit
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>> It's common for OEM's to include a *.txt file with the as-shipped
>>>> factory partitioning commands. During a factory reset, the *.txt
>>>> file extension is the requirement for diskpart to run the file as a
>>>> script.
>>>>
>>>> The above file indicates the OEM created 6 partitions
>>>> System 200MB
>>>> MSR 16 MB
>>>> Windows (GB in size less the following 3 partitions)
>>>> Recovery(Win RE Tools 450 MB)- the active WinRE partition
>>>> Image (11.9 GB) - the factory image of Windows and all pre-installed
>>>> software and apps
>>>> Dell Support(~1 GB) - Dell utilities probably used when running an
>>>> app Dell included in Windows to do or support the
>>>> returning/resetting the device to the as-shipped factory condition.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks.
>>>
>> You're welcome.
>> Fyi...if you compare the OEM factor partitioning with the
>> partitioning
>> you reported.
>> - System(ESP aka EFI) partition is different 200 MB vs. 496 MB(500
>> MB
>> in Disk Management
>> - WinRE partition(Win RE Tools) is different 450 MB vs. 856 MB
>>
>> The OEM partitioning files shows 6 partitions created(#6 as
>> DellSupport) yet your pics only indicate 5 partitions(counting the
>> hidden 16 MB MSR), which probably indicates that the DELLSUPPORT
>> partition shown in the OEM partitioning file is also hidden or no
>> longer present.
> It was difficult for me to line up the partitons as shown by the OEM
> partitioning file, Disk Management, and Diskpart. Partitions numbers
> and sizes were different. I thought it was odd that Disk Management
> showed Free Space 100% for all but the boot disk, OS (C:)
>>
>> You might be able to see the presence of the supposed DELLSUPPORT via
>> a Powershell or Command.com admin window(session) using Diskpart
>>
>> In Diskpart
>> List disk
>> Sel disk # (the #-number that list disk shows for the o/s (probably 0)
>> List part
>>
>> You should at least see partition 1 to 4 -vSystem, Reserved(the MSR),
>> Primary(Windows), Recovery, #5 Image...and if present, #6 DELLSUPPORT
>>
>
>
> DISKPART> List disk
>
> Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
> -------- ------------- ------- ------- --- ---
> Disk 0 Online 931 GB 0 B *
>
> DISKPART> Sel disk 0
>
> Disk 0 is now the selected disk.
>
> DISKPART> List part
>
> Partition ### Type Size Offset
> ------------- ---------------- ------- -------
> Partition 1 System 500 MB 1024 KB
> Partition 2 Reserved 128 MB 501 MB
> Partition 3 Primary 918 GB 629 MB
> Partition 4 Recovery 856 MB 918 GB
> Partition 5 Recovery 11 GB 919 GB
>
> DISKPART>
>
> It does appear that the DELLSUPPORT partition #6 is either missing or
> hidden.

Two interesting posts found at dell.com

https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/windows-
general/partitions-on-dell-laptop/647f9ce5f4ccf8a8de1151a1

https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/windows-general/what-are-
all-these-partitions/647f7df1f4ccf8a8dec5ed21

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 by: ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ - Thu, 21 Mar 2024 06:36 UTC

Boris wrote on 3/20/24 9:20 PM:
> Boris <Boris@invalid.invalid> wrote in
> news:XnsB13BD4C5F871EBorisinvalidinvalid@135.181.20.170:
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>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
>> news:utcq36$10m09$1@dont-email.me:
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>>> Boris wrote on 3/19/24 8:51 AM:
>>>> =?UTF-8?B?Li4ud8Khw7HCp8KxwqTDsSA=?= <winstonmvp@gmail.com> wrote in
>>>> news:ut9uop$9vgm$1@dont-email.me:
>>>>
>>>>> Boris wrote on 3/17/24 9:07 AM:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, in C:\Recovery\OEM I found this file titled 'diskpart', dated
>>>>>> March 3, 2016, about five months before I purchased this machine.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> convert gpt
>>>>>> create partition efi size=200
>>>>>> format quick fs=fat32 label="ESP"
>>>>>> assign letter="S"
>>>>>> create partition msr size=16
>>>>>> create partition primary
>>>>>> shrink minimum=12679
>>>>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="OS"
>>>>>> assign letter="W"
>>>>>> create partition primary size=450
>>>>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>>>>> label="WINRETOOLS" assign letter="T"
>>>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>>>> create partition primary size=12229
>>>>>> id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac format quick fs=ntfs
>>>>>> label="Image" assign letter="R"
>>>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>>>> create partition primary id=de94bba4-06d1-4d40-a16a-bfd50179d6ac
>>>>>> format quick fs=ntfs label="DELLSUPPORT"
>>>>>> assign letter="Q"
>>>>>> gpt attributes=0x8000000000000001
>>>>>> list vol
>>>>>> exit
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>> It's common for OEM's to include a *.txt file with the as-shipped
>>>>> factory partitioning commands. During a factory reset, the *.txt
>>>>> file extension is the requirement for diskpart to run the file as a
>>>>> script.
>>>>>
>>>>> The above file indicates the OEM created 6 partitions
>>>>> System 200MB
>>>>> MSR 16 MB
>>>>> Windows (GB in size less the following 3 partitions)
>>>>> Recovery(Win RE Tools 450 MB)- the active WinRE partition
>>>>> Image (11.9 GB) - the factory image of Windows and all pre-installed
>>>>> software and apps
>>>>> Dell Support(~1 GB) - Dell utilities probably used when running an
>>>>> app Dell included in Windows to do or support the
>>>>> returning/resetting the device to the as-shipped factory condition.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks.
>>>>
>>> You're welcome.
>>> Fyi...if you compare the OEM factor partitioning with the
>>> partitioning
>>> you reported.
>>> - System(ESP aka EFI) partition is different 200 MB vs. 496 MB(500
>>> MB
>>> in Disk Management
>>> - WinRE partition(Win RE Tools) is different 450 MB vs. 856 MB
>>>
>>> The OEM partitioning files shows 6 partitions created(#6 as
>>> DellSupport) yet your pics only indicate 5 partitions(counting the
>>> hidden 16 MB MSR), which probably indicates that the DELLSUPPORT
>>> partition shown in the OEM partitioning file is also hidden or no
>>> longer present.
>> It was difficult for me to line up the partitons as shown by the OEM
>> partitioning file, Disk Management, and Diskpart. Partitions numbers
>> and sizes were different. I thought it was odd that Disk Management
>> showed Free Space 100% for all but the boot disk, OS (C:)
>>>
>>> You might be able to see the presence of the supposed DELLSUPPORT via
>>> a Powershell or Command.com admin window(session) using Diskpart
>>>
>>> In Diskpart
>>> List disk
>>> Sel disk # (the #-number that list disk shows for the o/s (probably 0)
>>> List part
>>>
>>> You should at least see partition 1 to 4 -vSystem, Reserved(the MSR),
>>> Primary(Windows), Recovery, #5 Image...and if present, #6 DELLSUPPORT
>>>
>>
>>
>> DISKPART> List disk
>>
>> Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
>> -------- ------------- ------- ------- --- ---
>> Disk 0 Online 931 GB 0 B *
>>
>> DISKPART> Sel disk 0
>>
>> Disk 0 is now the selected disk.
>>
>> DISKPART> List part
>>
>> Partition ### Type Size Offset
>> ------------- ---------------- ------- -------
>> Partition 1 System 500 MB 1024 KB
>> Partition 2 Reserved 128 MB 501 MB
>> Partition 3 Primary 918 GB 629 MB
>> Partition 4 Recovery 856 MB 918 GB
>> Partition 5 Recovery 11 GB 919 GB
>>
>> DISKPART>
>>
>> It does appear that the DELLSUPPORT partition #6 is either missing or
>> hidden.
>
> Two interesting posts found at dell.com
>
> <https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/windows-general/partitions-on-dell-laptop/647f9ce5f4ccf8a8de1151a1>
>
> <https://www.dell.com/community/en/conversations/windows-general/what-are-all-these-partitions/647f7df1f4ccf8a8dec5ed21>
>

The first link indicates(as mentioned earlier about the OEM script file)
the DELLSUPPORT partition is a 1 GB.
Since its not shown locally that does seem to validate its hidden from
the usual methods to look for its presence or no longer present.

The second link indicates(in the picture posted by another user) that the
DELLSUPPORT partition is visible in Disk Management - which should also
be shown in Diskpart(list part) and Powershell Get-Volume.
If that user's pic is representative of all Dell devices, the the
partition appears to be no longer present
....but that's user's post is from 2018(over 5 yrs ago), thus it's also
possible that your device meets one or more of the following conditions:
a. had the partition at one time and no longer present
b. the OEM script you found on the o/s was not used to build the device
c. Dell imaged the device at the factory without the DELLSUPPORT
partition but included the OEM partition script file(for who knows what
reason) possibly if the device uses Dell included utilities in Windows to
reset to factory the partition would(maybe) be created
d: Using Dell included utilities in Windows may fail if the DELLSUPPORT
partition is missing(no longer present)
e. Dell included utilities don't or no longer need the DELLSUPPORT
partition if the code is elsewhere(in a folder on the o/s drive) or on a
recommended Recovery media the user creates
f. something else that others' may have opinions
g. Not much to worry about(especially if never used or needed)

Since Win10 is digitally licensed...the need to reset to factory may no
longer be of value since Windows can be clean-installed using freely
available Win10 created media, as well as your desired software, but
without all the Dell included utilities.
I've had multiple OEM laptops(Micron, HP, Acer) and tablets(Surface)
and have never, ever had a reason to reset the device to factory
condition using OEM tools. Once the warranty is expired I just wipe the
device, partition the drives, then clean install Windows, if unique
drivers are needed their always available from the OEM or hardware
manufacturer's web sites.

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