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The MicroAce, the Jupiter Ace, and?

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Subject: The MicroAce, the Jupiter Ace, and?
From: jsavard@ecn.ab.ca (Quadibloc)
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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 02:46 UTC

I thought that at one point, I was looking for pictures of the Sinclair ZX81 or
the Timex Sinclair 1000, and I kept seeing pictures of a similar-looking, but
different, device.

But now I can't find what I saw!

What I saw was like this:

The external case was white, and in shape it was identical to that of the
ZX80.

The keyboard had red keys on it, not blue, like those of the MicroAce.

But the computer had ROMs in it for the FORTH language, like the Jupiter
Ace.

Now I can't find that computer at all!

Looking for it, I found out about the MicroAce, which just copied the
ROMs from the ZX80, and was an unauthorized clone... and the Jupiter
Ace, which was by an unrelated outfit, which had buttons like the
Spectrum, but limited RAM like the ZX80, and FORTH ROMs.

But not the device I had seen before.

Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
dream?

John Savard

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From: chucktheouch@gmnol.com (D.J.)
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Subject: Re: The MicroAce, the Jupiter Ace, and?
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 by: D.J. - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 15:17 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:46:13 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca>
wrote:
>I thought that at one point, I was looking for pictures of the Sinclair ZX81 or
>the Timex Sinclair 1000, and I kept seeing pictures of a similar-looking, but
>different, device.
>
>But now I can't find what I saw!
>
>What I saw was like this:
>
>The external case was white, and in shape it was identical to that of the
>ZX80.
>
>The keyboard had red keys on it, not blue, like those of the MicroAce.
>
>But the computer had ROMs in it for the FORTH language, like the Jupiter
>Ace.
>
>Now I can't find that computer at all!
>
>Looking for it, I found out about the MicroAce, which just copied the
>ROMs from the ZX80, and was an unauthorized clone... and the Jupiter
>Ace, which was by an unrelated outfit, which had buttons like the
>Spectrum, but limited RAM like the ZX80, and FORTH ROMs.
>
>But not the device I had seen before.
>
>Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
>dream?

Have you looked on youtube ? There are ZX-81 channels on there.
--
Jim

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 by: OldbieOne - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:57 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:46:13 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> did make
me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>I thought that at one point, I was looking for pictures of the Sinclair ZX81 or
>the Timex Sinclair 1000, and I kept seeing pictures of a similar-looking, but
>different, device.
>
>But now I can't find what I saw!
>
>What I saw was like this:
>
>The external case was white, and in shape it was identical to that of the
>ZX80.
>
>The keyboard had red keys on it, not blue, like those of the MicroAce.
>
>But the computer had ROMs in it for the FORTH language, like the Jupiter
>Ace.
>
>Now I can't find that computer at all!
>
>Looking for it, I found out about the MicroAce, which just copied the
>ROMs from the ZX80, and was an unauthorized clone... and the Jupiter
>Ace, which was by an unrelated outfit, which had buttons like the
>Spectrum, but limited RAM like the ZX80, and FORTH ROMs.
>
>But not the device I had seen before.
>
>Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
>dream?

Another blast from the past! Many fond memories of Sinclair. I think what you
may have seen was one of the Soviet clones... potentially a "Digra" or "Hobeta"
varient. I'm not sure which was a clone of the Sincialr ZX81 and which was the
clone of the ZX Spectrum though.

--
OldbieOne [TM]
The One Who Tells It Like It is!
Brought to you by RetroPC

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 by: OldbieOne - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:00 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:46:13 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> did make
me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

<snipped>
>
>Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
>dream?

I just found this after hitting send on the previous reply. Hopefully this might
help

http://rk.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/computers/clones/russian.htm

--
OldbieOne [TM]
The One Who Tells It Like It is!
Brought to you by RetroPC

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 19:15 UTC

On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:46:13 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:
>
> I thought that at one point, I was looking for pictures of the Sinclair ZX81 or
> the Timex Sinclair 1000, and I kept seeing pictures of a similar-looking, but
> different, device.
>
> But now I can't find what I saw!
>
> What I saw was like this:
>
> The external case was white, and in shape it was identical to that of the
> ZX80.

The ZX80 is bulgy, the ZX81 flat, no?

> The keyboard had red keys on it, not blue, like those of the MicroAce.

Rubber or "chiclet"? Or even real keys?

> But the computer had ROMs in it for the FORTH language, like the Jupiter
> Ace.
>
> Now I can't find that computer at all!
>
> Looking for it, I found out about the MicroAce, which just copied the
> ROMs from the ZX80, and was an unauthorized clone... and the Jupiter
> Ace, which was by an unrelated outfit, which had buttons like the
> Spectrum, but limited RAM like the ZX80, and FORTH ROMs.

Probably not. But Acorn tried to compete with the (later) Spectrum with
the Electron. Might have the same shape and similar colours. But no
FORTH. AFAIK the Ace was the *only* home computer coming with FORTH,
while every other came with BASIC.

Also "bulgy" and able to deal with roms was the Atari 400.

> But not the device I had seen before.
>
> Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
> dream?

It's hard to look into your dreams when not even you can. ;-)
--
Andreas

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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 22:19 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 12:15:50 PM UTC-7, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:

> > The keyboard had red keys on it, not blue, like those of the MicroAce.

> Rubber or "chiclet"? Or even real keys?

Just the same sort of keyboard as the ZX80 or ZX81. But not only were
they red, like on the MicroAce, but unlike the MicroAce, where the keys
were on a white background, I think the background was black, like on
the ZX80.

John Savard

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 by: Quadibloc - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 22:20 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 10:59:36 AM UTC-7, OldbieOne wrote:

> I just found this after hitting send on the previous reply. Hopefully this might
> help
>
> http://rk.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/computers/clones/russian.htm

Thank you, but this was definitely a computer that was for sale in the United
States.

John Savard

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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Fri, 10 Mar 2023 23:59 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:57:49 GMT, OldbieOne wrote:
>
> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:46:13 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> did make
> me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>
>>Looking for it, I found out about the MicroAce, which just copied the
>>ROMs from the ZX80, and was an unauthorized clone... and the Jupiter
>>Ace, which was by an unrelated outfit, which had buttons like the
>>Spectrum, but limited RAM like the ZX80, and FORTH ROMs.
>>
>>But not the device I had seen before.
>>
>>Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
>>dream?
>
> Another blast from the past! Many fond memories of Sinclair. I think what you
> may have seen was one of the Soviet clones... potentially a "Digra" or "Hobeta"
> varient. I'm not sure which was a clone of the Sincialr ZX81 and which was the
> clone of the ZX Spectrum though.

I think one clone was called what would be translated to "Peter The
Great". *g* Hmm, cannot verify this at this moment though.
--
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 by: Andreas Kohlbach - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 00:01 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:19:58 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc wrote:
>
> On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 12:15:50 PM UTC-7, Andreas Kohlbach wrote:
>
>> > The keyboard had red keys on it, not blue, like those of the MicroAce.
>
>> Rubber or "chiclet"? Or even real keys?
>
> Just the same sort of keyboard as the ZX80 or ZX81. But not only were
> they red, like on the MicroAce, but unlike the MicroAce, where the keys
> were on a white background, I think the background was black, like on
> the ZX80.

What do you mean with background. The colour of the case/shell? The ZX80
had a white case, the ZX81 black.
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 by: OldbieOne - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 00:13 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 14:20:47 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> did make
me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 10:59:36a??AM UTC-7, OldbieOne wrote:
>
>> I just found this after hitting send on the previous reply. Hopefully this might
>> help
>>
>> http://rk.nvg.ntnu.no/sinclair/computers/clones/russian.htm
>
>Thank you, but this was definitely a computer that was for sale in the United
>States.

In that case I'm at a loss, John. Sorry :(

Or do you possibly mean the short-lived TRS-80 based Dragon 32? I know that was
sold here as a Tano Dragon. It had red on it but not red keys though.

Just a thoughy.

https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=503

If this isn't it, I hope someone can help, as I'd like to see an American
version of the Sinclair that wasn't the usual Timex version!

--
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 by: Quadibloc - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 01:33 UTC

On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:13:14 PM UTC-7, OldbieOne wrote:

> Or do you possibly mean the short-lived TRS-80 based Dragon 32? I know that was
> sold here as a Tano Dragon. It had red on it but not red keys though.
>
> Just a thoughy.
>
> https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=503
>
> If this isn't it, I hope someone can help, as I'd like to see an American
> version of the Sinclair that wasn't the usual Timex version!

It's definitely not. I'm aware of that one, it is noted on my pages about
the history of the computer, at

http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/his0702.htm

According to the information I have, it wasn't actually a clone, but because
the Radio Shack Color Computer was constructed almost exactly from the
same 6809 reference design provided by Motorola that the designers of the
Dragon 32 used, the Dragon 32 was considered to be a Color Computer clone.

But it actually just missed being so.

John Savard

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 by: OldbieOne - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:00 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 18:59:22 -0500, Andreas Kohlbach <ank@spamfence.net> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:57:49 GMT, OldbieOne wrote:
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Mar 2023 18:46:13 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> did make
>> me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:
>>
>>>Looking for it, I found out about the MicroAce, which just copied the
>>>ROMs from the ZX80, and was an unauthorized clone... and the Jupiter
>>>Ace, which was by an unrelated outfit, which had buttons like the
>>>Spectrum, but limited RAM like the ZX80, and FORTH ROMs.
>>>
>>>But not the device I had seen before.
>>>
>>>Does anyone remember it? Or am I just remembering something I saw in a
>>>dream?
>>
>> Another blast from the past! Many fond memories of Sinclair. I think what you
>> may have seen was one of the Soviet clones... potentially a "Digra" or "Hobeta"
>> varient. I'm not sure which was a clone of the Sincialr ZX81 and which was the
>> clone of the ZX Spectrum though.
>
>I think one clone was called what would be translated to "Peter The
>Great". *g* Hmm, cannot verify this at this moment though.

That one I can't say I've run across!

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 by: OldbieOne - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:13 UTC

On Fri, 10 Mar 2023 17:33:29 -0800 (PST), Quadibloc <jsavard@ecn.ab.ca> did make
me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Friday, March 10, 2023 at 5:13:14a??PM UTC-7, OldbieOne wrote:
>
>> Or do you possibly mean the short-lived TRS-80 based Dragon 32? I know that was
>> sold here as a Tano Dragon. It had red on it but not red keys though.
>>
>> Just a thoughy.
>>
>> https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?st=1&c=503
>>
>> If this isn't it, I hope someone can help, as I'd like to see an American
>> version of the Sinclair that wasn't the usual Timex version!
>
>It's definitely not. I'm aware of that one, it is noted on my pages about
>the history of the computer, at
>
>http://www.quadibloc.com/comp/his0702.htm
>
>According to the information I have, it wasn't actually a clone, but because
>the Radio Shack Color Computer was constructed almost exactly from the
>same 6809 reference design provided by Motorola that the designers of the
>Dragon 32 used, the Dragon 32 was considered to be a Color Computer clone.
>
>But it actually just missed being so.

Interesting... it wasn't what I thought it was. A few years ago someone was
selling these online, NIB, for something like $80 if I remember correctly. Then
in a blink of an eye, they were gone. I wish I'd have picked one up.

I'm one of the rare few this side of the Atlantic with an Acorn Electron, BBC
model B, and ZX Spectrum 48k. I would have loved to have scored a Dragon to
round out the UK contingent of my collection.

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:36 UTC

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:13:11 GMT
info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:

> I'm one of the rare few this side of the Atlantic with an Acorn
> Electron, BBC model B, and ZX Spectrum 48k. I would have loved to have
> scored a Dragon to round out the UK contingent of my collection.

There are a few more UK machines for a rounded collection (I
worked on the development of two of them):

The Sinclair MK14 - Single board - where the designer of the Electron cut
his teeth.

The Newbrain - Newbury Labs/Grundy from the same DOI/BBC project as the
ZX80 and the BBC Micro. Also a *very* early portable. I
I worked on it as a student.

The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
were sparse comments in the code but they were useless
to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
with just enough to recover his train of thought after
a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.

The Torch Communicator: A BBC B, Z80, modem, floppies and a 12" monitor in
a steel case - the business version of the BBC

Amstrad: various machines

--
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On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:36:15 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:13:11 GMT
>info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>
>> I'm one of the rare few this side of the Atlantic with an Acorn
>> Electron, BBC model B, and ZX Spectrum 48k. I would have loved to have
>> scored a Dragon to round out the UK contingent of my collection.
>
> There are a few more UK machines for a rounded collection (I
>worked on the development of two of them):
>
>The Sinclair MK14 - Single board - where the designer of the Electron cut
> his teeth.

Never heard of this one before

>The Newbrain - Newbury Labs/Grundy from the same DOI/BBC project as the
> ZX80 and the BBC Micro. Also a *very* early portable. I
> I worked on it as a student.

This one I had heard of, it seemed to be very much like a TRS-80 portable,
though I never saw one in person.

>The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
> colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
> guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
> were sparse comments in the code but they were useless
> to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
> with just enough to recover his train of thought after
> a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.

Another new one on me. I wonder if there are some still around. I'll have to
check the auction sites later.

>The Torch Communicator: A BBC B, Z80, modem, floppies and a 12" monitor in
> a steel case - the business version of the BBC

I did know about this, but since it was really just a Beeb, I don't really have
much drive to find one. I'm sure prices are much higher than the regular B as
well when they come up for sale.

>Amstrad: various machines

Oh God, don't get me started on Alan Sugar, lol!!!

Okay, so he does have a place in British computing history, but his products
were mostly snake oil. Lived over there full time from 82 till 94, and my
memories of Amstrad were that PC512 that wasn't really a PC despite its name,
the CPC464, and various cheap crappy sounding "hi-fi" offerings that were
astoundingly bad even for it's price point.

I mean, he did make tech that was financially accessible, but I was always left
with the impression that it was a false economy that came at the cost of
manufacture quality and compatability.

I really don't WANT an Amstrad junking up my collection to be honest with you,
lol!

What I really would like to find is a good SD card interface that looks like it
matches the Electron, a NOS Sinclair joystick interface, a Technical Software
TS-1 radio interface for the Spectrum (I'm sure it's probably close to
Unobtainium at this point in time), and a working microdrive. And now, possibly
a MK14 and Lynx.

But I really don't want an Amstrad, lol!

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 by: Ahem A Rivet's - Sat, 11 Mar 2023 19:14 UTC

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:43:48 GMT
info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:36:15 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
> <steveo@eircom.net> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism

> >The Sinclair MK14 - Single board - where the designer of the Electron cut
> > his teeth.
>
> Never heard of this one before

It was very early.

> >The Newbrain - Newbury Labs/Grundy from the same DOI/BBC project as the
> > ZX80 and the BBC Micro. Also a *very* early portable. I
> > I worked on it as a student.
>
> This one I had heard of, it seemed to be very much like a TRS-80 portable,
> though I never saw one in person.

It was the original holder of the contract to be the BBC microl but
because everyone believed Ferranti's ULA specs Newbury Labs couldn't get it
into production and Grundy finally put the TTL prototype design into
production (shades of the ZX80 here) and lost a lot of money in the process.

https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=176

> >The Torch Communicator: A BBC B, Z80, modem, floppies and a 12" monitor
> >in
> > a steel case - the business version of the BBC
>
> I did know about this, but since it was really just a Beeb, I don't

From the outside it was a twin floppy CP/M (well CPN a clone we
wrote) machine, it used the BBC B as an I/O subsystem. We had a CPN program
that could lever a BBC micro program onto the BBC and run it but I don't
think that or the floppies full of BBC games we had were ever let out. I
don't think any CP/M machine ever beat it's 63.5k TPA. It weighed a tonne
and was built like a tank:

Hah there's an advert online:

https://nosher.net/archives/computers/micro_decision_1982-05_002

Hmm I wonder if I should tell them that the "early possible
prototype" was in fact the second edition using a plastic case made by
Peerless Foam Mouldings to replace the heavy and expensive folded steel
case.

There was also the Torch Z80 disc pack for the BBC B, two 400K
floppies, the Torch Z80 card and a copy of CPN. There were a *lot* more of
those sold than the Torch Communicator.

> >Amstrad: various machines
>
> Oh God, don't get me started on Alan Sugar, lol!!!

It is not true that the M stood for Mother F****r - unless you talk
to any of his ex-employees. By all accounts he was even worse to work for
than Sinclair, and that's going some (despite growing up in Cambridge there
were two companies I wouldn't work for Sinclair and Acorn - I knew too
many people who had).

> I really don't WANT an Amstrad junking up my collection to be honest with
> you, lol!

<grin> I never wanted one.

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 by: Andy Leighton - Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36 UTC

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:36:15 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:13:11 GMT
> info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>
>> I'm one of the rare few this side of the Atlantic with an Acorn
>> Electron, BBC model B, and ZX Spectrum 48k. I would have loved to have
>> scored a Dragon to round out the UK contingent of my collection.
>
> There are a few more UK machines for a rounded collection (I
> worked on the development of two of them):
>
> The Sinclair MK14 - Single board - where the designer of the Electron cut
> his teeth.
>
> The Newbrain - Newbury Labs/Grundy from the same DOI/BBC project as the
> ZX80 and the BBC Micro. Also a *very* early portable. I
> I worked on it as a student.
>
> The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
> colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
> guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
> were sparse comments in the code but they were useless
> to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
> with just enough to recover his train of thought after
> a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.
>
> The Torch Communicator: A BBC B, Z80, modem, floppies and a 12" monitor in
> a steel case - the business version of the BBC
>
> Amstrad: various machines

I would also add the Acorn Atom (and/or one of the Eurocard Acorn systems)
and a Memotech MTX512. Maybe even an Oric-1 (or Atmos).

Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.

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 by: OldbieOne - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55 UTC

On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:36:15 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> wrote:
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 04:13:11 GMT
>> info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>>
>>> I'm one of the rare few this side of the Atlantic with an Acorn
>>> Electron, BBC model B, and ZX Spectrum 48k. I would have loved to have
>>> scored a Dragon to round out the UK contingent of my collection.
>>
>> There are a few more UK machines for a rounded collection (I
>> worked on the development of two of them):
>>
>> The Sinclair MK14 - Single board - where the designer of the Electron cut
>> his teeth.
>>
>> The Newbrain - Newbury Labs/Grundy from the same DOI/BBC project as the
>> ZX80 and the BBC Micro. Also a *very* early portable. I
>> I worked on it as a student.
>>
>> The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
>> colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
>> guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
>> were sparse comments in the code but they were useless
>> to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
>> with just enough to recover his train of thought after
>> a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.
>>
>> The Torch Communicator: A BBC B, Z80, modem, floppies and a 12" monitor in
>> a steel case - the business version of the BBC
>>
>> Amstrad: various machines
>
>I would also add the Acorn Atom (and/or one of the Eurocard Acorn systems)
>and a Memotech MTX512. Maybe even an Oric-1 (or Atmos).
>
>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.

I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
didn't know it was British!

The other machines are new to me, but Googling the Oric definitely sent me down
an interesting rabbit-hole this morning.

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 by: OldbieOne - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 14:25 UTC

On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 19:14:15 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> did
make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism when they didst announce:

>On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 17:43:48 GMT
>info@whitexmasradio.com (OldbieOne) wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 11 Mar 2023 07:36:15 +0000, Ahem A Rivet's Shot
>> <steveo@eircom.net> did make me awaken from my chaotic existentialism
>
>> >The Sinclair MK14 - Single board - where the designer of the Electron cut
>> > his teeth.
>>
>> Never heard of this one before
>
> It was very early.

Looks like it was a kit?

>> >The Newbrain - Newbury Labs/Grundy from the same DOI/BBC project as the
>> > ZX80 and the BBC Micro. Also a *very* early portable. I
>> > I worked on it as a student.
>>
>> This one I had heard of, it seemed to be very much like a TRS-80 portable,
>> though I never saw one in person.
>
> It was the original holder of the contract to be the BBC microl but
>because everyone believed Ferranti's ULA specs Newbury Labs couldn't get it
>into production and Grundy finally put the TTL prototype design into
>production (shades of the ZX80 here) and lost a lot of money in the process.
>
>https://www.old-computers.com/museum/computer.asp?c=176

Definitely seems like it would be an interesting addition to the collection!

You mentioned Ferranti was involved in the BBC project? I recalled a Hack-A-Day
post a few years ago of a strange factory walkthrough by a man in period garb
supposedly the ghost of Ferranti himself.

Here it is. Odd, but strangely watchable:
https://hackaday.com/2021/09/15/ferrantis-ghost/

>> >The Torch Communicator: A BBC B, Z80, modem, floppies and a 12" monitor
>> >in
>> > a steel case - the business version of the BBC
>>
>> I did know about this, but since it was really just a Beeb, I don't
>
> From the outside it was a twin floppy CP/M (well CPN a clone we
>wrote) machine, it used the BBC B as an I/O subsystem. We had a CPN program
>that could lever a BBC micro program onto the BBC and run it but I don't
>think that or the floppies full of BBC games we had were ever let out. I
>don't think any CP/M machine ever beat it's 63.5k TPA. It weighed a tonne
>and was built like a tank:
>
> Hah there's an advert online:
>
>https://nosher.net/archives/computers/micro_decision_1982-05_002

A "massive" 800k storage, lol!! How quickly times have moved on! Shame that the
software was never released, would be fun trying to get Beeb games running on a
platform like this.

I have to say that out of all of the machines listed, this one peaks my interest
the most. Who knows what the eBay Gods may someday provide...

> Hmm I wonder if I should tell them that the "early possible
>prototype" was in fact the second edition using a plastic case made by
>Peerless Foam Mouldings to replace the heavy and expensive folded steel
>case.

Some of the images I've found show what looks to be a PET-like unit, with the
keyboard as an extension of the monitor housing, and others showing a keyboard
attached with a cord. Were there two models, or is one the prototype and the
other the commercially available model?

> There was also the Torch Z80 disc pack for the BBC B, two 400K
>floppies, the Torch Z80 card and a copy of CPN. There were a *lot* more of
>those sold than the Torch Communicator.
>
>> >Amstrad: various machines
>>
>> Oh God, don't get me started on Alan Sugar, lol!!!
>
> It is not true that the M stood for Mother F****r - unless you talk
>to any of his ex-employees.

I heard.....

>By all accounts he was even worse to work for
>than Sinclair, and that's going some (despite growing up in Cambridge there

That's difficult to imagine. I had an uncle who worked for Cambridge before it
was renamed Sinclair, and the reason he didn't stay long was because of Sir
Clive shouting at people.

>were two companies I wouldn't work for Sinclair and Acorn - I knew too
>many people who had).

I was secretly hoping you might have had a personal anecdote to share, lol!
But I honestly woudln't wish for anyone to have had to work in what I gather
were two extremely toxic environments.

>> I really don't WANT an Amstrad junking up my collection to be honest with
>> you, lol!
>
> <grin> I never wanted one.

My sister had a PCW machine. Garbage, utter garbage. Overpriced word processor
and certainly not a "PC" by any stretch. I did warn her at the time, but she
wouldn't listen.

Caveat emptor ;)

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 by: Andy Leighton - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:06 UTC

On Tue, 14 Mar 2023 13:55:25 GMT, OldbieOne <info@whitexmasradio.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 13 Mar 2023 10:36:42 +0000, Andy Leighton <andyl@azaal.plus.com> did
>>
>>Then I would probably want to add a Z88 and a Psion Organiser II.
>
> I used to have a Psion III back in the day when I transitioned from filofax.
> It really wasn't much more than a portable phone directory for me. I honestly
> didn't know it was British!

The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
software for the II for the company I worked for (although I cannot
remember exactly what it was for).

The Psion Series 5 and 7 were really quite nice for their time and are fondly
remembered by a lot of people. Although by the time the 7 came around things
were beginning to change really fast in the sub-notebook space.

--
Andy Leighton => andyl@azaal.plus.com
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 by: Richmond - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 16:56 UTC

Ahem A Rivet's Shot <steveo@eircom.net> writes:

> The Camputers Lynx: Z80 with 256k bank switched RAM - very early hi-res
> colour graphics. The BASIC for it was written by a
> guy calling himself Darvis in six weeks flat. There
> were sparse comments in the code but they were useless
> to anyone, they were obviously just reminders to himself
> with just enough to recover his train of thought after
> a break. Nobody ever fixed a bug in it.

I've just remembered this one. Did it have a screen that didn't scroll?
instead it went back up and blanked the top line.

https://archive.org/details/Camputers_Lynx_TOSEC_2012_04_23

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 by: Andy Burns - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:00 UTC

Andy Leighton wrote:

> The II was even more limited than the III - but they were really quite
> capable little machines. I remember I wrote some data collection
> software for the II

We used the II with a barcode head as part of a warehouse stock control
system.

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 by: Richmond - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:03 UTC

Nobody mentioned Vic 20?

https://www.amazon.co.uk/Koch-Distribution-RGLA05-uk-61st-Vic20-Electronic/dp/B08BSMKXKV

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 by: Richmond - Tue, 14 Mar 2023 17:05 UTC

Richmond <dnomhcir@gmx.com> writes:

> Nobody mentioned Vic 20?
>
> https://www.amazon.co.uk/Koch-Distribution-RGLA05-uk-61st-Vic20-Electronic/dp/B08BSMKXKV

Oh, that's not a real one, it's a game.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/VIC-20#/media/File:Commodore-VIC-20-FL.jpg

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