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* Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)Benjamin Esham
`* Re: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)Eli the Bearded
 +- Re: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)news.usenet.ovh Admin
 `- Re: Newsreader headersBenjamin Esham

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From: usenet@esham.io (Benjamin Esham)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)
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 by: Benjamin Esham - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 14:56 UTC

The Doctor wrote:

> Group : news.software.readers
> Statistics : from 5/1/2023 to 5/31/2023
>
> [big snip]
>
> ***** Most used Newsreaders *****
> num| Newsreader | Nb Msg | size | or. | %
> ---|------------------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|
> 1 | 40tude_Dialog/2.0.15.84 | 2 | 4,262 | 0 | 40.00% xxxxxxxxxx
> 2 | MesNews/1.08.06.00-gb | 1 | 14,450 | 1 | 20.00% xxxxx
> 3 | trn 4.0-test77 (Sep 1, 2010) | 1 | 4,825 | 0 | 20.00% xxxxx
> 4 | Others | 1 | 2,854 | 0 | 20.00% xxxxx
> ---|------------------------------|--------|--------|-----|------------------|

There are a *lot* of messages that aren't accounted for in this table. I
suppose it's vaguely on-topic here to ask: are these statistics only looking
at the X-Newsreader header and not User-Agent? Are there semantic
differences between the two? Or is this just an oversight in how these
statistics are being collected?

Benjamin

Re: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)

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From: *@eli.users.panix.com (Eli the Bearded)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)
Date: Thu, 1 Jun 2023 19:08:33 -0000 (UTC)
Organization: Some absurd concept
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 by: Eli the Bearded - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 19:08 UTC

In news.software.readers, Benjamin Esham <usenet@esham.io> wrote:
> The Doctor wrote:
[snip borderline spam]
> There are a *lot* of messages that aren't accounted for in this table.
> I suppose it's vaguely on-topic here to ask: are these statistics only
> looking at the X-Newsreader header and not User-Agent?

It would appear so.

> Are there semantic differences between the two?

A little personal story. Since sometime early 2003, I've configured trn
to identify itself in headers as

User-Agent: Vectrex rn 2.1 (beta)

Prior to that, it was "X-Newsreader: Sony Playstation 5.0MIPS". I recall
changing when I saw some official or semi-official document which
specfied "User-Agent" as the preferred header for identifying the news
reader software. I see the rare occaisional post where news readers used
are summarized. I'm always an oddball in those.

I don't have any saved posts for this group before 2006 handy, so I
can't say what I read in 2003 to convert me to the non-X header. And
because web browsers also use that header, finding references with
search engines is difficult.

> Or is this just an oversight in how these statistics are being
> collected?

I think these stats are at best entertainment and at worst spam.

Elijah
------
general ignores "The Doctor"

Re: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)

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Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Newsreader headers (was: stats MAy 2023)
Date: Thu, 01 Jun 2023 21:37:17 +0200
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 by: news.usenet.ovh Admi - Thu, 1 Jun 2023 19:37 UTC

Eli the Bearded <*@eli.users.panix.com> composa la prose suivante:

>I think these stats are at best entertainment and at worst spam.
>
>Elijah
>------
>general ignores "The Doctor"

I agree.

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From: usenet@esham.io (Benjamin Esham)
Newsgroups: news.software.readers
Subject: Re: Newsreader headers
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 by: Benjamin Esham - Fri, 2 Jun 2023 14:22 UTC

Eli the Bearded wrote:

> A little personal story. Since sometime early 2003, I've configured trn
> to identify itself in headers as
>
> User-Agent: Vectrex rn 2.1 (beta)
>
> Prior to that, it was "X-Newsreader: Sony Playstation 5.0MIPS". I recall
> changing when I saw some official or semi-official document which
> specfied "User-Agent" as the preferred header for identifying the news
> reader software. I see the rare occaisional post where news readers used
> are summarized. I'm always an oddball in those.

I've seen your User-Agent header many times but to be honest, I never knew
what a Vectrex was until I looked it up just now. I can't believe you
compose all of your posts on that little controller! ;)

Benjamin

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