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* Gmail_is_now_officially_allowed_to_spam-proof_politicianstjoen
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 by: tjoen - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:26 UTC

Is this true?
https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump

Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof politicians’ emails

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 by: David Ritz - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 16:58 UTC

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On Thursday, 11 August 2022 18:26 +0200,
in article <td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>,
tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:

> Is this true?
> https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump

Please recall, the US gave a free pass to all political mailing, when
the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 was signed into law, marking a significant
step backward..

It is likely true. It's based on the unsupported and baseless claim
that the algorithms mail providers use, when filtering mail to Junk,
have a built in bias against conservatives. While it may be frothing
nonsense, this matter is already going further, with these two
steaming turds introduced recently.

https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr8160
https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s4409

- --
David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com>
Be kind to animals; kiss a shark.

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Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof politicians’ emails

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Subject: Re: Gmail_is_now_officially_allowed_to_spam-proof_politicians
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 by: The Doctor - Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:09 UTC

In article <td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>, tjoen <tjoen@dds.nl> wrote:
>Is this true?
>https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump
>

Yeah! Right!!
--
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Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
Fear and desire make for poor rulers. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof politicians’ emails

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From: anfi@onet.eu (Andrzej Adam Filip)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof polit
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 by: Andrzej Adam Filip - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 16:27 UTC

David Ritz <dritz@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Thursday, 11 August 2022 18:26 +0200,
> in article <td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>,
> tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
>
>> Is this true?
>> https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump
>
> Please recall, the US gave a free pass to all political mailing, when
> the CAN-SPAM Act of 2003 was signed into law, marking a significant
> step backward..
>
> It is likely true. It's based on the unsupported and baseless claim
> that the algorithms mail providers use, when filtering mail to Junk,
> have a built in bias against conservatives. While it may be frothing
> nonsense, this matter is already going further, with these two
> steaming turds introduced recently.
>
> https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/hr8160
> https://www.govtrack.us/congress/bills/117/s4409

Are "full implementation details" available?

Excluding *registered* senders of political spam/"spam" from *standard*
filters can be "softened" e.g. by special marking for use in personal
filters/sorters.

The devil is in the "details". Somehow I do not expect "barely but
acceptable" implementation as the most likely outcome.

--
A. Filip

Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof politicians? emails

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 by: Jim H - Sun, 14 Aug 2022 22:38 UTC

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:26:11 +0200, in <td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>,
tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:

>Is this true?
>https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump

I don't know that it's true in all of the details of how it came to
be, but GMail definitely will be exempting political email from
political committees from spam filtering.

All the more reason to dump GMail.

Spam is spam.
..
--
Jim H

Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof politicians' emails

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From: doctor@doctor.nl2k.ab.ca (The Doctor)
Newsgroups: news.admin.net-abuse.email
Subject: Re: Gmail is now officially allowed to spam-proof politicians' emails
Date: Mon, 15 Aug 2022 00:08:31 -0000 (UTC)
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 by: The Doctor - Mon, 15 Aug 2022 00:08 UTC

In article <f7uifhptb571u4obr05kiajja3p5797ge7@4ax.com>,
Jim H <invalid@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 18:26:11 +0200, in <td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>,
>tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
>
>>Is this true?
>>https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump
>
>I don't know that it's true in all of the details of how it came to
>be, but GMail definitely will be exempting political email from
>political committees from spam filtering.
>
>All the more reason to dump GMail.
>
>Spam is spam.
>.

Exactly!!

Documented proof exists at
https://www.nk.ca/blog/index.php?/categories/14-Google-Spam
>--
>Jim H

--
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Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
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 by: Scott Dorsey - Wed, 17 Aug 2022 17:40 UTC

On Thursday, 11 August 2022 18:26 +0200, in article <td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>, tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
>
> Is this true?
> https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump

It is true that Can-Spam specifically exempts political mail. And it is
true that the FEC has accepted Google's proposal to allow campaign email.

However, I don't think it's true at all that it will be a good thing for
the Republican party. I think that this, like autodialers, are as apt to
turn off voters as to appeal to them. And I also think that in the past
the Republicans have totally misunderstood the internet while the Democrats
have been better at taking advantage of it.

But most importantly, I think it will be difficult to make sure that they
are campaigning to people whom they can legally appeal to. I am already
tired of getting email spam for elections in Guatemala. Sending email spam
for American elections to Guatemalans is just as bad a plan.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

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 by: The Doctor - Wed, 17 Aug 2022 19:29 UTC

In article <tdj96h$43$1@panix2.panix.com>,
Scott Dorsey <kludge@panix.com> wrote:
>On Thursday, 11 August 2022 18:26 +0200, in article
><td3aj3$27b10$1@dont-email.me>, tjoen <tjoen@dds.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> Is this true?
>>
>https://www.theverge.com/2022/8/11/23301554/google-gmail-spam-filters-republicans-gop-trump
>
>It is true that Can-Spam specifically exempts political mail. And it is
>true that the FEC has accepted Google's proposal to allow campaign email.
>
>However, I don't think it's true at all that it will be a good thing for
>the Republican party. I think that this, like autodialers, are as apt to
>turn off voters as to appeal to them. And I also think that in the past
>the Republicans have totally misunderstood the internet while the Democrats
>have been better at taking advantage of it.
>
>But most importantly, I think it will be difficult to make sure that they
>are campaigning to people whom they can legally appeal to. I am already
>tired of getting email spam for elections in Guatemala. Sending email spam
>for American elections to Guatemalans is just as bad a plan.
>--scott
>
>
>--
>"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."

Now for the rest of them!
--
Member - Liberal International This is doctor@nk.ca Ici doctor@nk.ca
Yahweh, Queen & country!Never Satan President Republic!Beware AntiChrist rising!
Look at Psalms 14 and 53 on Atheism https://www.empire.kred/ROOTNK?t=94a1f39b
One cannot live in the truth while making up one's own. -unknown Beware https://mindspring.com

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