Alan wrote:
> On 2024-04-15 22:09, Anonymous wrote:
>> Alan wrote:
>>> On 2024-04-14 19:48, Anonymous wrote:
>>>> Alan wrote:
>>>>> On 2024-04-13 22:23, Anonymous wrote:
>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Chris wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Anonymous <anon@anon.net> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Java Jive wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 04/04/2024 01:58, Hank Rogers wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So is trump. They are much alike and have never done anything
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrong. Ever.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Neither has ever committed a crime or screwed a customer or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> business partner.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> That is provably untrue, in that Trump has already lost two civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wherein one of which a jury found him to be a rapist  - in most
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> civilised
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> people's view, that is both committing a crime and screwing someone.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Losing a civil case is not the same as a criminal conviction.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> The claim was the he "never done anything wrong". Losing a civil
>>>>>>>>>>>>> case is a
>>>>>>>>>>>>> clear case of doing something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> No it's not. Anyone can sue anyone for anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> And? If the court finds against you you've legally done something wrong.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Not morally.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Are you saying that Trump has never done anything morally wrong? You've
>>>>>>>>> completely lost any sense of reality.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> At the very least he cheated on two of his wives. He sexually assaulted
>>>>>>>>> one
>>>>>>>>> woman (probably more) and he defrauded several banks and the IRS.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he legitimately "knife to the throat" raped women,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What the fuck does that mean?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> then why wasn't
>>>>>>>> he criminally prosecuted?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Like you said yourself the US system doesn't provide justice, especially
>>>>>>> against rich, powerful men. Sexual assault hasn't been treated well by the
>>>>>>> CJS for a long time.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, you probably think Jacqueline Coakley was telling the truth. LOL!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Forget accusations, most rape _convictions_ are false.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If he defrauded the IRS, was he criminally
>>>>>>>> charged?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Not yet. Here's hoping...
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The legal system very rarely has anything to do with
>>>>>>>>>> actual justice.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> In the US, I agree. You've got the system you all wanted.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Also the state DA isn't just anyone and fraud or defamation aren't just
>>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If you or I defrauded a bank or insurance company we'd rightly be
>>>>>>>>>>> prosecuted.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Prosecuted under criminal statutes, not sued under civil.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Why? Civil law is just as important.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Standards of proof in the civil system is not as rigorous as that
>>>>>>>> in the criminal system.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Still evidence of wrongdoing.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Why should it be any different for Trump?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Nobody is saying it should be.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> That's not true. You're saying he's done nothing wrong and shouldn't face
>>>>>>>>> trial. The courts should decide.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Everyone is NYC has known for decades what kind of crook he is. If it
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wasn't for the hundreds of millions of dollars he got from Fred
>>>>>>>>>>>>> he'd just
>>>>>>>>>>>>> be pretty street criminal.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Further, he faces 91 further criminal charges in 4 separate cases,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> All politically-motivated persecutions.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Lol. I love how the right are strong on law and order until one of
>>>>>>>>>>>>> their
>>>>>>>>>>>>> own is found wanting in that dept. Then it's "persecution".
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hypocrites the
>>>>>>>>>>>>> lot of them.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> How people for that, I don't know.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I want order. After that, we can have law. Instead, we have
>>>>>>>>>>>> politically-
>>>>>>>>>>>> motivated persecutions for made-up crimes,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Federal law and election law are made up now, are they? The right were
>>>>>>>>>>> desperate for Biden to be arrested for exactly the same as Trump. Again,
>>>>>>>>>>> it's one rule for you and different rules for others. That's not how
>>>>>>>>>>> fair
>>>>>>>>>>> society works.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> There are countless laws that literally invent crimes and proscribe
>>>>>>>>>> punishments when there is no concrete harm being done to anyone or
>>>>>>>>>> anything.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Countless, really? Examples.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Notable you didn't answer this.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All laws that punish mere possession of firearms by peaceable men, for one,
>>>>>> if you really want to get into that debate.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, Bragg hasn't told us what underlying felony Trump allegedly committed.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sure he has.
>>>>
>>>> No he hasn't.
>>>>
>>>>> It is literally in the indictments.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://www.scribd.com/document/636099588/Donald-J-Trump-Indictment>
>>>>>
>>>>> I'll give you one example:
>>>>>
>>>>> 'THE GRAND JURY OF THE COUNTY OF NEW YORK, by this indictment, accuses the
>>>>> defendant of the crime of FALSIFYING BUSINESS RECORDS IN THE FIRST DEGREE ,
>>>>> in violation of Penal Law §175.10, committed as follows: The defendant, in
>>>>> the County of New York and elsewhere, on or about February 14, 2017, with
>>>>> intent to defraud and intent to commit another crime and aid and conceal
>>>>> the commission thereof, made and caused a false entry in the business
>>>>> records of an enterprise, to wit, an invoice from Michael Cohen dated
>>>>> February 14, 2017, marked as a record of the Donald J. Trump Revocable
>>>>> Trust, and kept and maintained by the Trump Organization.'
>>>>>
>>>>> That's a FELONY, doofus.
>>>>>
>>>>> There are 33 more listed there.
>>>>
>>>> Those are upgraded misdemeanors, because there is allegedly an UNDERLYING
>>>> felony. Show us the UNDERLYING felony.
>>>
>>> You don't understand the law.
>>>
>>> There doesn't have to be an "underlying felony".
>>>
>>> There just has to be an underlying crime that the falsification was
>>> undertaken in furtherance of.
>>
>> Fine, then what was the underlying crime?
>
> Federal election contribution crimes.

And Bragg has no authority to prosecute that. He's pulling shit out
of his ass.