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AIs are not necessarily always smart, but they can bullshabble with
significant self-confidence.

Me:
what is the g-force in an airplane in a 30 deg bank turn at 160 knots

ChatGPT
To calculate the g-force experienced in a 30-degree bank turn at a
specific speed, we need to use the formula for centripetal acceleration:

a = v^2 / r

Where:
a is the centripetal acceleration,
v is the velocity (speed) of the airplane, and
r is the radius of the turn.

To find the radius of the turn, we can use the formula:

r = v^2 / (g * tan(θ))

Where:
g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2) and
θ is the bank angle in radians.

First, let's convert the speed from knots to meters per second:

160 knots = 160 * 0.514444 m/s ≈ 82.311 m/s

Now, let's convert the bank angle from degrees to radians:

30 degrees = 30 * (π / 180) radians ≈ 0.5236 radians

Now, we can calculate the radius of the turn:

r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(0.5236))

Calculating the radius:

r ≈ 747.77 meters

Finally, we can calculate the centripetal acceleration (g-force)
experienced in the turn:

a = (82.311^2) / 747.77

Calculating the acceleration:

a ≈ 9.035 m/s^2

To convert this acceleration to g-force, divide it by the acceleration
due to gravity:

g-force = a / g

g-force ≈ 9.035 m/s^2 / 9.8 m/s^2

g-force ≈ 0.922 g

Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the airplane would
experience approximately 0.922 g-force.

Me
how can it be less than the 1 g experienced in straight and level flight

ChatGPT

I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. You are correct
that in a 30-degree bank turn, the g-force experienced would be
greater than 1 g.

In a level, straight flight, an aircraft experiences 1 g, which is
equivalent to the acceleration due to gravity. However, when the
aircraft enters a banked turn, the centripetal force required to keep
the aircraft moving in a circular path increases, resulting in an
increase in the perceived g-force.

To calculate the g-force in a banked turn, we need to consider the
bank angle and the radius of the turn. The formula for calculating the
g-force is:

g-force = (v^2) / (r * g)

Where:
v is the velocity (speed) of the aircraft,
r is the radius of the turn,
and g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2).

Let's use the values provided:

Speed (v) = 160 knots ≈ 82.311 m/s
Bank Angle = 30 degrees
Radius (r) = ?

To calculate the radius of the turn, we can use the following formula:

r = (v^2) / (g * tan(θ))

Plugging in the values:

r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(30 degrees))

Calculating the radius:

r ≈ 267.68 meters

Now, let's calculate the g-force:

g-force = (82.311^2) / (267.68 * 9.8)

Calculating the g-force:

g-force ≈ 3.25 g

Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the aircraft would
experience approximately 3.25 g-force, which is higher than the 1 g
experienced in straight and level flight.

Me
that can't be right either, because it means that a 150 lb person
would be trying to support almost 500 lbs

ChatGPT

You are correct, and I apologize for the incorrect information
provided in my previous responses. I apologize for the confusion caused.

To clarify, the correct formula to calculate the g-force in a banked
turn is:

g-force = 1 / cos(θ)

Where θ is the bank angle.

In this case, the bank angle is 30 degrees, so we can calculate the
g-force as follows:

g-force = 1 / cos(30 degrees)

Calculating the g-force:

g-force ≈ 1.155 g

Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn, the aircraft would experience
approximately 1.155 g-force, which is slightly higher than the 1 g
experienced in straight and level flight.

I apologize for the previous incorrect responses, and thank you for
bringing it to my attention

So, look, at the end of the day going forward, don't make any bets for
more than the next Bud Light in a bar unless you've vetted the AI
you're going to use to confirm your position.

--
bill
Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

On Mon, 22 May 2023 02:42:18 -0400, bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

>AIs are not necessarily always smart, but they can bullshabble with
>significant self-confidence.
>
>
>Me:
>what is the g-force in an airplane in a 30 deg bank turn at 160 knots
>
>ChatGPT
>To calculate the g-force experienced in a 30-degree bank turn at a
>specific speed, we need to use the formula for centripetal acceleration:
>
>a = v^2 / r
>
>Where:
>a is the centripetal acceleration,
>v is the velocity (speed) of the airplane, and
>r is the radius of the turn.
>
>To find the radius of the turn, we can use the formula:
>
>r = v^2 / (g * tan(?))
>
>Where:
>g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2) and
>? is the bank angle in radians.
>
>First, let's convert the speed from knots to meters per second:
>
>160 knots = 160 * 0.514444 m/s ? 82.311 m/s
>
>Now, let's convert the bank angle from degrees to radians:
>
>30 degrees = 30 * (? / 180) radians ? 0.5236 radians
>
>Now, we can calculate the radius of the turn:
>
>r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(0.5236))
>
>Calculating the radius:
>
>r ? 747.77 meters
>
>Finally, we can calculate the centripetal acceleration (g-force)
>experienced in the turn:
>
>a = (82.311^2) / 747.77
>
>Calculating the acceleration:
>
>a ? 9.035 m/s^2
>
>To convert this acceleration to g-force, divide it by the acceleration
>due to gravity:
>
>g-force = a / g
>
>g-force ? 9.035 m/s^2 / 9.8 m/s^2
>
>g-force ? 0.922 g
>
>Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the airplane would
>experience approximately 0.922 g-force.
>
>Me
>how can it be less than the 1 g experienced in straight and level flight
>
>ChatGPT
>
>I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. You are correct
>that in a 30-degree bank turn, the g-force experienced would be
>greater than 1 g.
>
>In a level, straight flight, an aircraft experiences 1 g, which is
>equivalent to the acceleration due to gravity. However, when the
>aircraft enters a banked turn, the centripetal force required to keep
>the aircraft moving in a circular path increases, resulting in an
>increase in the perceived g-force.
>
>To calculate the g-force in a banked turn, we need to consider the
>bank angle and the radius of the turn. The formula for calculating the
>g-force is:
>
>g-force = (v^2) / (r * g)
>
>Where:
>v is the velocity (speed) of the aircraft,
>r is the radius of the turn,
>and g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2).
>
>Let's use the values provided:
>
>Speed (v) = 160 knots ? 82.311 m/s
>Bank Angle = 30 degrees
>Radius (r) = ?
>
>To calculate the radius of the turn, we can use the following formula:
>
>r = (v^2) / (g * tan(?))
>
>Plugging in the values:
>
>r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(30 degrees))
>
>Calculating the radius:
>
>r ? 267.68 meters
>
>Now, let's calculate the g-force:
>
>g-force = (82.311^2) / (267.68 * 9.8)
>
>Calculating the g-force:
>
>g-force ? 3.25 g
>
>Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the aircraft would
>experience approximately 3.25 g-force, which is higher than the 1 g
>experienced in straight and level flight.
>
>Me
>that can't be right either, because it means that a 150 lb person
>would be trying to support almost 500 lbs
>
>ChatGPT
>
>You are correct, and I apologize for the incorrect information
>provided in my previous responses. I apologize for the confusion caused.
>
>To clarify, the correct formula to calculate the g-force in a banked
>turn is:
>
>g-force = 1 / cos(?)
>
>Where ? is the bank angle.
>
>In this case, the bank angle is 30 degrees, so we can calculate the
>g-force as follows:
>
>g-force = 1 / cos(30 degrees)
>
>Calculating the g-force:
>
>g-force ? 1.155 g
>
>Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn, the aircraft would experience
>approximately 1.155 g-force, which is slightly higher than the 1 g
>experienced in straight and level flight.
>
>I apologize for the previous incorrect responses, and thank you for
>bringing it to my attention
>
>So, look, at the end of the day going forward, don't make any bets for
>more than the next Bud Light in a bar unless you've vetted the AI
>you're going to use to confirm your position.

It is a misnomer to call what we have now as an Artificial
Intelligence - as you have proven.

I'm sure that within a fraction of a second you knew that both answers
were wrong - an almost instantaneous WTF - that is intelligence.
However, the so called AI didn't have a clue until you pointed out the
errors.

I would even hesitate to even call them smart systems. Smart systems
control autos, airplanes, blood analyzers, drones, CNC machines, etc.

These large language systems were developed for chatting. They have
aggregated huge amounts of facts, knowledge, and Bull Shit. And might
be able pass the Turing Test for many people but they are not able to
fact check the answers they give. However, they are proving to be
excellent Bullshitters - without knowing it - when factual answers are
expected.

On Mon, 22 May 2023 02:42:18 -0400, bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:

Me
what is the g-force in an airplane in a 30 deg bank turn at 160 knots

ChatGPT

To calculate the g-force experienced in an airplane during a turn, you
need to know the bank angle and the speed of the aircraft. In this
case, the bank angle is 30 degrees, and the speed is 160 knots.

First, we need to convert the speed from knots to feet per second
(fps) because the standard unit for acceleration is feet per second
squared (ft/s²).

1 knot is approximately equal to 1.68781 feet per second.

So, 160 knots is approximately equal to 160 * 1.68781 = 269.4096 fps.

Now, let's calculate the g-force using the following formula:

g-force = (velocity^2) / (radius * gravity)

where:
velocity is the speed of the aircraft in feet per second,
radius is the radius of the turn in feet, and
gravity is the acceleration due to gravity, which is approximately
32.174 ft/s².

In a level turn, the radius of the turn can be calculated using the
formula:

radius = (velocity^2) / (g * tan(bank angle))

where:
velocity is the speed of the aircraft in feet per second,
g is the acceleration due to gravity, and
bank angle is the angle at which the aircraft is banked.

Let's calculate the radius:

radius = (269.4096^2) / (32.174 * tan(30 degrees))
= 73158.1482 feet

Now, we can calculate the g-force:

g-force = (269.4096^2) / (73158.1482 * 32.174)
1.679 g

Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the approximate
g-force experienced by the airplane would be around 1.679 g.

Then I told it I thought it was wrong and it agreed and came back with
an apology - and your final answer of 1.155g

bfh <redydog@rye.net> wrote:
> AIs are not necessarily always smart, but they can bullshabble with
> significant self-confidence.
>
>
> Me:
> what is the g-force in an airplane in a 30 deg bank turn at 160 knots
>
> ChatGPT
> To calculate the g-force experienced in a 30-degree bank turn at a
> specific speed, we need to use the formula for centripetal acceleration:
>
> a = v^2 / r
>
> Where:
> a is the centripetal acceleration,
> v is the velocity (speed) of the airplane, and
> r is the radius of the turn.
>
> To find the radius of the turn, we can use the formula:
>
> r = v^2 / (g * tan(θ))
>
> Where:
> g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2) and
> θ is the bank angle in radians.
>
> First, let's convert the speed from knots to meters per second:
>
> 160 knots = 160 * 0.514444 m/s ≈ 82.311 m/s
>
> Now, let's convert the bank angle from degrees to radians:
>
> 30 degrees = 30 * (π / 180) radians ≈ 0.5236 radians
>
> Now, we can calculate the radius of the turn:
>
> r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(0.5236))
>
> Calculating the radius:
>
> r ≈ 747.77 meters
>
> Finally, we can calculate the centripetal acceleration (g-force)
> experienced in the turn:
>
> a = (82.311^2) / 747.77
>
> Calculating the acceleration:
>
> a ≈ 9.035 m/s^2
>
> To convert this acceleration to g-force, divide it by the acceleration
> due to gravity:
>
> g-force = a / g
>
> g-force ≈ 9.035 m/s^2 / 9.8 m/s^2
>
> g-force ≈ 0.922 g
>
> Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the airplane would
> experience approximately 0.922 g-force.
>
> Me
> how can it be less than the 1 g experienced in straight and level flight
>
> ChatGPT
>
> I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. You are correct
> that in a 30-degree bank turn, the g-force experienced would be
> greater than 1 g.
>
> In a level, straight flight, an aircraft experiences 1 g, which is
> equivalent to the acceleration due to gravity. However, when the
> aircraft enters a banked turn, the centripetal force required to keep
> the aircraft moving in a circular path increases, resulting in an
> increase in the perceived g-force.
>
> To calculate the g-force in a banked turn, we need to consider the
> bank angle and the radius of the turn. The formula for calculating the
> g-force is:
>
> g-force = (v^2) / (r * g)
>
> Where:
> v is the velocity (speed) of the aircraft,
> r is the radius of the turn,
> and g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2).
>
> Let's use the values provided:
>
> Speed (v) = 160 knots ≈ 82.311 m/s
> Bank Angle = 30 degrees
> Radius (r) = ?
>
> To calculate the radius of the turn, we can use the following formula:
>
> r = (v^2) / (g * tan(θ))
>
> Plugging in the values:
>
> r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(30 degrees))
>
> Calculating the radius:
>
> r ≈ 267.68 meters
>
> Now, let's calculate the g-force:
>
> g-force = (82.311^2) / (267.68 * 9.8)
>
> Calculating the g-force:
>
> g-force ≈ 3.25 g
>
> Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the aircraft would
> experience approximately 3.25 g-force, which is higher than the 1 g
> experienced in straight and level flight.
>
> Me
> that can't be right either, because it means that a 150 lb person
> would be trying to support almost 500 lbs
>
> ChatGPT
>
> You are correct, and I apologize for the incorrect information
> provided in my previous responses. I apologize for the confusion caused.
>
> To clarify, the correct formula to calculate the g-force in a banked
> turn is:
>
> g-force = 1 / cos(θ)
>
> Where θ is the bank angle.
>
> In this case, the bank angle is 30 degrees, so we can calculate the
> g-force as follows:
>
> g-force = 1 / cos(30 degrees)
>
> Calculating the g-force:
>
> g-force ≈ 1.155 g
>
> Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn, the aircraft would experience
> approximately 1.155 g-force, which is slightly higher than the 1 g
> experienced in straight and level flight.
>
> I apologize for the previous incorrect responses, and thank you for
> bringing it to my attention
>
> So, look, at the end of the day going forward, don't make any bets for
> more than the next Bud Light in a bar unless you've vetted the AI
> you're going to use to confirm your position.
>

Nothing new. We’ve been getting wrong answers from the artificial
“intelligence” in Washington for decades.

--
Liberals suffer from cognitive dissonance. They know their political views
are wrong but they stick with them anyway.

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On Sunday, May 21, 2023 at 11:44:21 PM UTC-7, bfh wrote:
> AIs are not necessarily always smart, but they can bullshabble with
> significant self-confidence.
>
>
> Me:
> what is the g-force in an airplane in a 30 deg bank turn at 160 knots
>
> ChatGPT
> To calculate the g-force experienced in a 30-degree bank turn at a
> specific speed, we need to use the formula for centripetal acceleration:
>
> a = v^2 / r
>
> Where:
> a is the centripetal acceleration,
> v is the velocity (speed) of the airplane, and
> r is the radius of the turn.
>
> To find the radius of the turn, we can use the formula:
>
> r = v^2 / (g * tan(θ))
>
> Where:
> g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2) and
> θ is the bank angle in radians.
>
> First, let's convert the speed from knots to meters per second:
>
> 160 knots = 160 * 0.514444 m/s ≈ 82.311 m/s
>
> Now, let's convert the bank angle from degrees to radians:
>
> 30 degrees = 30 * (π / 180) radians ≈ 0.5236 radians
>
> Now, we can calculate the radius of the turn:
>
> r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(0.5236))
>
> Calculating the radius:
>
> r ≈ 747.77 meters
>
> Finally, we can calculate the centripetal acceleration (g-force)
> experienced in the turn:
>
> a = (82.311^2) / 747.77
>
> Calculating the acceleration:
>
> a ≈ 9.035 m/s^2
>
> To convert this acceleration to g-force, divide it by the acceleration
> due to gravity:
>
> g-force = a / g
>
> g-force ≈ 9.035 m/s^2 / 9.8 m/s^2
>
> g-force ≈ 0.922 g
>
> Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the airplane would
> experience approximately 0.922 g-force.
>
> Me
> how can it be less than the 1 g experienced in straight and level flight
>
> ChatGPT
>
> I apologize for the confusion in my previous response. You are correct
> that in a 30-degree bank turn, the g-force experienced would be
> greater than 1 g.
>
> In a level, straight flight, an aircraft experiences 1 g, which is
> equivalent to the acceleration due to gravity. However, when the
> aircraft enters a banked turn, the centripetal force required to keep
> the aircraft moving in a circular path increases, resulting in an
> increase in the perceived g-force.
>
> To calculate the g-force in a banked turn, we need to consider the
> bank angle and the radius of the turn. The formula for calculating the
> g-force is:
>
> g-force = (v^2) / (r * g)
>
> Where:
> v is the velocity (speed) of the aircraft,
> r is the radius of the turn,
> and g is the acceleration due to gravity (approximately 9.8 m/s^2).
>
> Let's use the values provided:
>
> Speed (v) = 160 knots ≈ 82.311 m/s
> Bank Angle = 30 degrees
> Radius (r) = ?
>
> To calculate the radius of the turn, we can use the following formula:
>
> r = (v^2) / (g * tan(θ))
>
> Plugging in the values:
>
> r = (82.311^2) / (9.8 * tan(30 degrees))
>
> Calculating the radius:
>
> r ≈ 267.68 meters
>
> Now, let's calculate the g-force:
>
> g-force = (82.311^2) / (267.68 * 9.8)
>
> Calculating the g-force:
>
> g-force ≈ 3.25 g
>
> Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn at 160 knots, the aircraft would
> experience approximately 3.25 g-force, which is higher than the 1 g
> experienced in straight and level flight.
>
> Me
> that can't be right either, because it means that a 150 lb person
> would be trying to support almost 500 lbs
>
> ChatGPT
>
> You are correct, and I apologize for the incorrect information
> provided in my previous responses. I apologize for the confusion caused.
>
> To clarify, the correct formula to calculate the g-force in a banked
> turn is:
>
> g-force = 1 / cos(θ)
>
> Where θ is the bank angle.
>
> In this case, the bank angle is 30 degrees, so we can calculate the
> g-force as follows:
>
> g-force = 1 / cos(30 degrees)
>
> Calculating the g-force:
>
> g-force ≈ 1.155 g
>
> Therefore, in a 30-degree bank turn, the aircraft would experience
> approximately 1.155 g-force, which is slightly higher than the 1 g
> experienced in straight and level flight.
>
> I apologize for the previous incorrect responses, and thank you for
> bringing it to my attention
>
> So, look, at the end of the day going forward, don't make any bets for
> more than the next Bud Light in a bar unless you've vetted the AI
> you're going to use to confirm your position.
>
> --
> bill
> Theory don't mean squat if it don't work.

Egad! This is truly frightening. It looks like you have come to the same conclusion many of the scientists and experts have reached.

"Microsoft Says New A.I. Shows Signs of Human Reasoning
A provocative paper from researchers at Microsoft claims A.I. technology shows the ability to understand the way people do. Critics say those scientists are kidding themselves."

"Microsoft, the first major tech company to release a paper making such a bold claim, stirred one of the tech world’s testiest debates: Is the industry building something akin to human intelligence? Or are some of the industry’s brightest minds letting their imaginations get the best of them?"

"Some A.I. experts saw the Microsoft paper as an opportunistic effort to make big claims about a technology that no one quite understood. Researchers also argue that general intelligence requires a familiarity with the physical world, which GPT-4 in theory does not have.

“The ‘Sparks of A.G.I.’ is an example of some of these big companies co-opting the research paper format into P.R. pitches,” said Maarten Sap, a researcher and professor at Carnegie Mellon University. “They literally acknowledge in their paper’s introduction that their approach is subjective and informal and may not satisfy the rigorous standards of scientific evaluation.”"

Yabut, it makes a great headline.

"Because Microsoft researchers were testing an early version of GPT-4 that had not been fine-tuned to avoid hate speech, misinformation and other unwanted content, the claims made in the paper cannot be verified by outside experts. Microsoft says that the system available to the public is not as powerful as the version they tested.

There are times when systems like GPT-4 seem to mimic human reasoning, but there are also times when they seem terribly dense. “These behaviors are not always consistent,” Ece Kamar, a research lead at Microsoft, said."

"Alison Gopnik, a professor of psychology who is part of the A.I. research group at the University of California, Berkeley, said that systems like GPT-4 were no doubt powerful, but it was not clear that the text generated by these systems was the result of something like human reasoning or common sense.

“When we see a complicated system or machine, we anthropomorphize it; everybody does that — people who are working in the field and people who aren’t,” Dr. Gopnik said. “But thinking about this as a constant comparison between A.I. and humans — like some sort of game show competition — is just not the right way to think about it.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/05/16/technology/microsoft-ai-human-reasoning.html

Subject	Author
Artificial Intelligence?	bfh
Artificial Intelligence?	jerry.osage
Artificial Intelligence?	Jerry Osage
Artificial Intelligence?	George.Anthony
Artificial Intelligence?	Technobarbarian