On 2023-12-07 02:35, occam wrote:
> On 07/12/2023 09:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 07/12/23 17:31, useapen wrote:
>>
>>> PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
>>> are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
>>> school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
>>> Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
>>>
>>> The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
>>> Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
>>> performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
>>> 15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
>>
>> Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10. Then it
>> was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
>> because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
>>
>> See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
>>
>
> The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
>
> https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results

Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
surprising.

> I cannot find Australia on the league table.

What do you mean by 'the league table'?
Australia is the third entry in the list on the left. It shows one of
the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?

> Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
> from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)

Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?

Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
Sweden, and more.

What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday".

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On 07/12/2023 19:58, lar3ryca wrote:
> On 2023-12-07 02:35, occam wrote:
>> On 07/12/2023 09:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 07/12/23 17:31, useapen wrote:
>>>
>>>> PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
>>>> are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
>>>> school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
>>>> Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
>>>>
>>>> The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
>>>> Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
>>>> performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
>>>> 15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
>>>
>>> Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10.
>>> Then it
>>> was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
>>> because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
>>>
>>> See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
>>>
>>
>> The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
>>
>> https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
>
> Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
> surprising.
>
>> I cannot find Australia on the league table.
>
> What do you mean by 'the league table'?

I am looking in Volume I section "How did countries do in PISA'. There
are three tables ranking various counties by performance in Mathematics
(table I.2.1), Reading (table I.2.2) and Science (table I.2.3)

<https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/view/?ref=1235_1235421-gumq51fbgo&title=PISA-2022-Results-Volume-I>

> Australia is the third entry in the list on the left.

Which section are *you* looking in?

It shows one of
> the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
> average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
> between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?
>
>> Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
>> from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
>
> Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
> 2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?
>
> Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
> Sweden, and more.
>
> What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
> One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
> semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
> college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
> instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday".
>

On 2023-12-09 07:23, occam wrote:
> On 07/12/2023 19:58, lar3ryca wrote:
>> On 2023-12-07 02:35, occam wrote:
>>> On 07/12/2023 09:11, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> On 07/12/23 17:31, useapen wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> PARIS, Dec 5 (Reuters) - Teenagers' mathematics and reading skills
>>>>> are in an unprecedented decline across dozens of countries and COVID
>>>>> school closures are only partly to be blamed, the OECD said on
>>>>> Tuesday in its latest survey of global learning standards.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Paris-based Organisation for Economic Cooperation and
>>>>> Development said it had seen some of the steepest drops in
>>>>> performance since 2000 when it began its usually triennial tests of
>>>>> 15-year-olds reading, maths and science skills.
>>>>
>>>> Here, this was reported as that Australia was back in the top 10.
>>>> Then it
>>>> was admitted that this was not because Australian results improved, but
>>>> because so many other countries had gone even further backwards.
>>>>
>>>> See, you can turn any news into good news if you find the right angle.
>>>>
>>>
>>> The Reuters article is based on the PISA report 2022.
>>>
>>> https://www.oecd.org/publication/pisa-2022-results#pisa2022results
>>
>> Interesting page. I did a little exploring, and some results were
>> surprising.
>>
>>> I cannot find Australia on the league table.
>>
>> What do you mean by 'the league table'?
>
> I am looking in Volume I section "How did countries do in PISA'. There
> are three tables ranking various counties by performance in Mathematics
> (table I.2.1), Reading (table I.2.2) and Science (table I.2.3)
>
> <https://read.oecd-ilibrary.org/view/?ref=1235_1235421-gumq51fbgo&title=PISA-2022-Results-Volume-I>
>
>
>> Australia is the third entry in the list on the left.
>
> Which section are *you* looking in?

Ahh. I was looking at the link posted by Peter, above.
What I did forget was that I had clicked on 'Country Notes', then in the
'hamburger' in a circle next to the Albania entry.

That brings up an alphabetical list of countries. Clicking on one of
those brings up graphs showing Trends in performance in reading, math,
and science, gathered by testing 15-year-old students.

> It shows one of
>> the surprising results I mentioned; the two dips below the 23-country
>> average of the '15-year old tests'in the math section. What happened
>> between 2015 and 2019 (approximately)?
>>
>>> Luxembourg, despite its very highly paid state teachers, is also missing
>>> from the list. (We historically appear at the lower end of the table.)
>>
>> Ireland was another surprise, with three dips, the worst being in about
>> 2009, in reading and math. What happened there at that time?
>>
>> Others that are strange, with widely varying results are Norway, Poland,
>> Sweden, and more.
>>
>> What, to me, was unsurprising, was Canada's ranking in the same tests.
>> One of the presenters on the morning news program on CTV is basically
>> semi-literate. He graduated from a Sports Journalism program at a
>> college in Toronto in 2020. This morning's performance included several
>> instances; "hap'birthday", "more sunnier" "as we make our way into Friday".
>>
>

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