On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.

I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?

On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
>
> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?

Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.

Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> > On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> >> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> >> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> >
> > I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> > wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
>
> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
>
> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
>

I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
neighbours?

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
>>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
>>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
>>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
>>>
>>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
>>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
>>
>> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
>>
>> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
>>
>
> I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> neighbours?

"D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."

P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> >>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> >>>
> >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> >>
> >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> >>
> >> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion..
> >>
> >
> > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > neighbours?

> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
>
> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?

I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and energy.
As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough overnight. It would
probably be better not to forget it in the morning, even if you're in a hurry.

--
Jerry Friedman

Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54?AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> > > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> > >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> > >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> > >>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> > >>>
> > >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> > >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> > >>
> > >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> > >>
> > >> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
> > >>
> > >
> > > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > > neighbours?
>
> > "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> >
> > P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> > Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
>
> I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the morning,
> even if you're in a hurry.

If it stays cold overnight you won't save money,

Jan

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:54:49 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> >>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> >>>
> >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> >>
> >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> >>
> >> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
> >>
> >
> > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > neighbours?
>
> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
>
> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
>
Leccy saving measure. It's an old inefficient blighter, and "frost free";
i.e. it switches itself off for a bit at random anyway. Might as well be at
night so I don't hear it humming, and nothing coming from the solar panels.
OK, not a lot generated in today's gloom.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:45:12 PM UTC-6, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Jerry Friedman <jerry.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54?AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

[tinnitus]

> > > > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > > > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > > > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > > > neighbours?
> >
> > > "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> > >
> > > P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> > > Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> >
> > I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> > energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> > overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the morning,
> > even if you're in a hurry.

> If it stays cold overnight you won't save money,

Why not? And what if it just stays cold enough?

(I suspect that what you're talking about is the idea that if your freezer is so
well insulated that its temperature doesn't change significantly when unplugged
overnight, you don't use significant energy overnight. But I'm not sure.)

If KMJ&SO's idea or mine is that they can let their freezer warm up a bit, maybe
they could save even more money by setting the temperature a little higher.

--
Jerry Friedman

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 20:42:43 +0200
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

> Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54?AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> > > > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> > > >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> > > >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> > > >>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> > > >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > > > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > > > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > > > neighbours?
> >
> > > "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> > >
> > > P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> > > Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> >
> > I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> > energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> > overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the morning,
> > even if you're in a hurry.
>
It's on a timer

> If it stays cold overnight you won't save money,
>

see other post; assuming ES gets better.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 20:42:43 +0200
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

> Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54?AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> > > > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> > > >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> > > >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> > > >>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> > > >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> > > >>
> > > >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> > > >>
> > > >> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > > > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > > > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > > > neighbours?
> >
> > > "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> > >
> > > P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> > > Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> >
> > I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> > energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> > overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the morning,
> > even if you're in a hurry.
>
It's on a timer

> If it stays cold overnight you won't save money,
>

see other post; assuming ES gets better.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:

> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:45:12?PM UTC-6, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > Jerry Friedman <jerry.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54?AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > > On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>
> [tinnitus]
>
> > > > > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > > > > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble
> > > > > that much? PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh,
> > > > > could it be a neighbours?
> > >
> > > > "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> > > >
> > > > P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> > > > Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> > >
> > > I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> > > energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> > > overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the morning,
> > > even if you're in a hurry.
>
> > If it stays cold overnight you won't save money,
>
> Why not? And what if it just stays cold enough?
>
> (I suspect that what you're talking about is the idea that if your freezer
> is so well insulated that its temperature doesn't change significantly
> when unplugged overnight, you don't use significant energy overnight. But
> I'm not sure.)

Yes, the savings must come from decreasing heat loss caused by a smaller
temperature gradient over the thermal insulation.

> If KMJ&SO's idea or mine is that they can let their freezer warm up a bit,
> maybe they could save even more money by setting the temperature a little
> higher.

Indeed.
And if you have cheaper power at night you could do just the opposite:
Let it run at night to take in extra cold.
(wastes some energy, saves some $$)

Best compromise: set the timer to off during the night,
and on again half an hour before the low rate ends.
It is all quite marginal, really.
If it isn't you could have saved -much- more
by buying a better freezer long ago,

Jan

On 20/10/23 05:13, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet
> wrote:
>> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:

>>> I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
>>> ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble
>>> that much? PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh,
>>> could it be a neighbours?
>
>> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
>>
>> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight? Is this a well known
>> 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
>
> I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the
> morning, even if you're in a hurry.

Now that I have solar panels on the roof I have become more conscious of
the difference between daytime and nighttime electricity. We don't
switch the freezer off, but we do make sure that the dishwasher and
washing machine run only during sunlight hours.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 2023-10-19 18:13:17 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:

> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023
>> 19:36:46 +0100> > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:> >> >> On
>> 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:> >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet
>> wrote:> >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real'
>> noises (i.e.> >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing
>> them more clearly,> >>>> and demands that you too should join in
>> listening to them.> >>>> >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your
>> private life Sam, but is your> >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?>
>> >>> >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.> >>> >> Yes, but I
>> 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.> >>> >> >
>> I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's> >
>> ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that
>> much?> > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it
>> be a> > neighbours?
>
>> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled.">> P.S. Why is your freezer off
>> overnight?> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing
>> about it?
> I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and energy.
> As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough overnight. It would
> probably be better not to forget it in the morning, even if you're in a hurry.

Alas, I can speak from experience. In 1987 we went for a few days to
Italy. Being conscious of the need to save gas and electricity we cut
the gas and electricity before setting out, forgetting the
refrigerator. At about the level of Nice I remembered, but by then it
was too late to go back. On our return there was a lot of stuff to
throw away.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:54:49 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> >>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> >>>
> >>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> >>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> >>
> >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> >>
> >> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
> >>
> >
> > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> > PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> > neighbours?
>
> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
>
> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
>
Leccy saving measure. It's an old inefficient blighter, and "frost free";
i.e. it switches itself off for a bit at random anyway. Might as well be at
night so I don't hear it humming, and nothing coming from the solar panels.
OK, not a lot generated in today's gloom.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 21:57:06 +0200
nospam@de-ster.demon.nl (J. J. Lodder) wrote:

> Jerry Friedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 12:45:12?PM UTC-6, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> > > Jerry Friedman <jerry.fr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54?AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > > > > On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >
> > [tinnitus]
> >
> > > > > > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > > > > > ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble
> > > > > > that much? PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh,
> > > > > > could it be a neighbours?
> > > >
> > > > > "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> > > > >
> > > > > P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> > > > > Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> > > >
> > > > I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
> > > > energy. As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough
> > > > overnight. It would probably be better not to forget it in the morning,
> > > > even if you're in a hurry.
> >
> > > If it stays cold overnight you won't save money,
> >
> > Why not? And what if it just stays cold enough?
> >
> > (I suspect that what you're talking about is the idea that if your freezer
> > is so well insulated that its temperature doesn't change significantly
> > when unplugged overnight, you don't use significant energy overnight. But
> > I'm not sure.)

No it's olde and the temp plummets. But (hopefully) not enough to defrost
the goods inside in 14 hrs. As posted (I hope) elsewhere it has a "frost
free" feature that means it does this anyway, just that it kicks in and
out at inconvenient times.
>
> Yes, the savings must come from decreasing heat loss caused by a smaller
> temperature gradient over the thermal insulation.
>
> > If KMJ&SO's idea or mine is that they can let their freezer warm up a bit,
> > maybe they could save even more money by setting the temperature a little
> > higher.

Not an option on the controls; theo-heretic-ally it cuts off at -24, but
rarely gets near that due to bad seals (arf arf).
>
> Indeed.
> And if you have cheaper power at night you could do just the opposite:
> Let it run at night to take in extra cold.
> (wastes some energy, saves some $$)
>
> Best compromise: set the timer to off during the night,
> and on again half an hour before the low rate ends.
> It is all quite marginal, really.
> If it isn't you could have saved -much- more
> by buying a better freezer long ago,
>

Maybe; I see it as saving the thing from landfill as long as possible.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 10:00:59 +1100
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

[]
>
> Now that I have solar panels on the roof I have become more conscious of
> the difference between daytime and nighttime electricity. We don't
> switch the freezer off, but we do make sure that the dishwasher and
> washing machine run only during sunlight hours.
>
I'm meane^w more obsess^w parsimonious than that; I (not quite) boil
water in the kettle to pour hot water in via the soap drawer; the W/mc
element uses more power than the roof can supply.

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 20/10/23 18:50, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 10:00:59 +1100 Peter Moylan
> <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
> []
>>
>> Now that I have solar panels on the roof I have become more
>> conscious of the difference between daytime and nighttime
>> electricity. We don't switch the freezer off, but we do make sure
>> that the dishwasher and washing machine run only during sunlight
>> hours.
>>
> I'm meane^w more obsess^w parsimonious than that; I (not quite) boil
> water in the kettle to pour hot water in via the soap drawer; the
> W/mc element uses more power than the roof can supply.

One of our disappointments after getting solar power: I realised that
our inverter can produce up to 5 kW, but the air conditioner is a 10 kW
unit.

The other disappointment: we've just received our first electricity bill
after getting solar. It says that our consumption has halved, but to
compensate for this the price has doubled.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 20-Oct-23 8:10, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-10-19 18:13:17 +0000, Jerry Friedman said:
>
>> On Thursday, October 19, 2023 at 11:54:54 AM UTC-6, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:> > On Wed, 18 Oct 2023
>>> 19:36:46 +0100> > Sam Plusnet <n...@home.com> wrote:> >> >> On
>>> 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:> >>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet
>>> wrote:> >>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are
>>> 'real' noises (i.e.> >>>> external), devotes their whole attention to
>>> hearing them more clearly,> >>>> and demands that you too should join
>>> in listening to them.> >>>> >>> I don't wish to pry too much into
>>> your private life Sam, but is your> >>> wife someone who hears 'the
>>> hum' ?> >>> >> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.> >>> >>
>>> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild
>>> congestion.> >>> >> > I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO
>>> doesn't. I think there's> > ghostly underground working still going
>>> on. Can a river rumble that much?> > PS it's not the freezer. That's
>>> off overnight - oh, could it be a> > neighbours?
>>
>>> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled.">> P.S. Why is your freezer off
>>> overnight?> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing
>>> about it?
>> I'd never heard of it either, but it makes sense for saving money and
>> energy.
>> As long as the door isn't opened, it will stay cold enough overnight.
>> It would
>> probably be better not to forget it in the morning, even if you're in
>> a hurry.
>
> Alas, I can speak from experience. In 1987 we went for a few days to
> Italy. Being conscious of the need to save gas and electricity we cut
> the gas and electricity before setting out, forgetting the refrigerator.
> At about the level of Nice I remembered, but by then it was too late to
> go back. On our return there was a lot of stuff to throw away.
>

A modern version of Passepartout's gas-light left running in his room.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 20-Oct-23 8:29, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:54:49 +0100
> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>
>> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
>>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
>>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
>>>>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
>>>>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
>>>>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
>>>>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
>>>>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
>>>>
>>>> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
>>>>
>>>> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
>>>>
>>>
>>> I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
>>> ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
>>> PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
>>> neighbours?
>>
>> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
>>
>> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
>> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
>>
> Leccy saving measure. It's an old inefficient blighter, and "frost free";
> i.e. it switches itself off for a bit at random anyway. Might as well be at
> night so I don't hear it humming, and nothing coming from the solar panels.
> OK, not a lot generated in today's gloom.

I've considered solar panels, but I strongly suspect the response would be
"First you need a new roof."
That would extend the pay-back timescale too far.

--
Sam Plusnet

On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 18:54:38 +0100
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 20-Oct-23 8:29, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:54:49 +0100
> > Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100
> >>> Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> >>>>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> >>>>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises (i.e.
> >>>>>> external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them more clearly,
> >>>>>> and demands that you too should join in listening to them.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is your
> >>>>> wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> >>>>
> >>>> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> >>>>
> >>>> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild congestion.
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> >>> ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that much?
> >>> PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it be a
> >>> neighbours?
> >>
> >> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> >>
> >> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight?
> >> Is this a well known 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> >>
> > Leccy saving measure. It's an old inefficient blighter, and "frost free";
> > i.e. it switches itself off for a bit at random anyway. Might as well be at
> > night so I don't hear it humming, and nothing coming from the solar panels.
> > OK, not a lot generated in today's gloom.
>
> I've considered solar panels, but I strongly suspect the response would be
> "First you need a new roof."
> That would extend the pay-back timescale too far.
>
1) Dunno; our roof was deemed OK - it's about a century old.
2) It might have been already too late at my Time of Life </gloom>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

In article <20231021094657.026ba92275939bf1fd68ab77@127.0.0.1>, "Kerr-Mudd,
John" <admin@127.0.0.1> wrote:
> On Fri, 20 Oct 2023 18:54:38 +0100 Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> > On 20-Oct-23 8:29, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > > On Thu, 19 Oct 2023 18:54:49 +0100 Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 19-Oct-23 9:46, Kerr-Mudd, John wrote:
> > >>> On Wed, 18 Oct 2023 19:36:46 +0100 Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> On 18-Oct-23 7:10, occam wrote:
> > >>>>> On 17/10/2023 21:20, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> > >>>>>> Try living with someone who insists that those are 'real' noises
> > >>>>>> (i.e. external), devotes their whole attention to hearing them
> > >>>>>> more clearly, and demands that you too should join in listening
> > >>>>>> to them.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> I don't wish to pry too much into your private life Sam, but is
> > >>>>> your wife someone who hears 'the hum' ?
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Drat! My attempts to obscure identity failed.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Yes, but I 'm pretty sure it only happens when she has mild
> > >>>> congestion.
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> I hear a dull thrumming at night; my SO doesn't. I think there's
> > >>> ghostly underground working still going on. Can a river rumble that
> > >>> much? PS it's not the freezer. That's off overnight - oh, could it
> > >>> be a neighbours?
> > >>
> > >> "D@mn-it! We've been rumbled."
> > >>
> > >> P.S. Why is your freezer off overnight? Is this a well known
> > >> 'thing', and I am only now hearing about it?
> > >>
> > > Leccy saving measure. It's an old inefficient blighter, and "frost
> > > free"; i.e. it switches itself off for a bit at random anyway. Might
> > > as well be at night so I don't hear it humming, and nothing coming
> > > from the solar panels. OK, not a lot generated in today's gloom.
> >
> > I've considered solar panels, but I strongly suspect the response would
> > be "First you need a new roof." That would extend the pay-back
> > timescale too far.
> >
> 1) Dunno; our roof was deemed OK - it's about a century old. 2) It might
> have been already too late at my Time of Life </gloom>

Our roof is 112 years old. Just had solar panels fitted and yes, I might
not be around to see payday. I'm 83!

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 21/10/23 10:08, charles wrote:

> Our roof is 112 years old. Just had solar panels fitted and yes, I
> might not be around to see payday. I'm 83!

I initially resisted solar power on the grounds that the payback period
was too long. When I re-checked this year, it was six years, which isn't
all that long.

Even if I don't survive six years, it will still be an asset for my heirs.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 21/10/2023 12:03, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 21/10/23 10:08, charles wrote:
>
>> Our roof is 112 years old.  Just had solar panels fitted and yes, I
>> might not be around to see payday.  I'm 83!
>
> I initially resisted solar power on the grounds that the payback period
> was too long. When I re-checked this year, it was six years, which isn't
> all that long.
>
> Even if I don't survive six years, it will still be an asset for my heirs.
>

The UK government introduced an absurdly generous feed-in tariff scheme
to encourage early adopters, and I took advantage of that back in 2011.
At that time, here in SE England with a near-ideal roof, the payback
period was going to be around twelve years. As it turned out, the panels
paid for themselves (plus the subsequent cost of adding pigeon netting)
in just eight years. Much of that is down to a steady increase in yield;
we initially generated around 3.5 MWh in a year, but now regularly
exceed 4 MWh. This year, inspite of a dull and wet September, we're
already over the 3.5 MWh mark. Add to that the increase in electricity
prices from the grid and it looks to have been a pretty good investment.

--
Phil B

In article <uh0b5f$1nh19$1@dont-email.me>,
Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> On 21/10/23 10:08, charles wrote:

> > Our roof is 112 years old. Just had solar panels fitted and yes, I
> > might not be around to see payday. I'm 83!

> I initially resisted solar power on the grounds that the payback period
> was too long. When I re-checked this year, it was six years, which isn't
> all that long.

> Even if I don't survive six years, it will still be an asset for my heirs.

Indeed and it would be a plus point for a house sale. Solar panels have
become a lot more efficient in the recent past.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Sat, 21 Oct 23 12:08:03 UTC
charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> wrote:

> In article <uh0b5f$1nh19$1@dont-email.me>,
> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
> > On 21/10/23 10:08, charles wrote:
>
> > > Our roof is 112 years old. Just had solar panels fitted and yes, I
> > > might not be around to see payday. I'm 83!
>
> > I initially resisted solar power on the grounds that the payback period
> > was too long. When I re-checked this year, it was six years, which isn't
> > all that long.
>
> > Even if I don't survive six years, it will still be an asset for my heirs.
>
> Indeed and it would be a plus point for a house sale. Solar panels have
> become a lot more efficient in the recent past.
>
You mean new ones are better than the older ones I had fitted.
Our panels are entropically getting less efficient, unless our Mr Banarjee
can apply himself to thinking of a simple fix.
--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.