Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult

If not, is there an equivalent term in other English speaking
places?

On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:09:34 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

> Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
> https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult

After being sidetracked by an old TV movie,

""In English law, an appropriate adult is a parent, guardian or social
worker; or if no person matching this is available, any responsible
person over 18. The term was introduced as part of the policing
reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and applies in
England and Wales."

We say "parent or guardian." The other two categories are puzzling.

> If not, is there an equivalent term in other English speaking
> places?

In article <96500713-409d-4b6e-8605-9c04bd2d0ce5n@googlegroups.com>,
Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:09:34#PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

> > Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult

> After being sidetracked by an old TV movie,

> ""In English law, an appropriate adult is a parent, guardian or social
> worker; or if no person matching this is available, any responsible
> person over 18. The term was introduced as part of the policing
> reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and applies in
> England and Wales."

> We say "parent or guardian." The other two categories are puzzling.

Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local authority
issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for looking after a
child in the entertainment world.

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local authority
>issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for looking after a
>child in the entertainment world.

The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
who is responsible for young people on social occasions even
if he does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk
of confusion here. It might be better to use a specific word for
persons with a local authority permit. It could be a word that
in English has a totally different meaning otherwise, like "hue".

"Are you the chaperone?" - "Yes, my lady, I am a chaperone and
I am also a Hue!" - "Oh, so you have a permit!".

In article <96500713-409d-4b6e-8605-
9c04bd2d0ce5n@googlegroups.com>, petertdaniels@gmail.com
says...
>
> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:09:34 PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
>
> > Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
> > https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult
>
> After being sidetracked by an old TV movie,
>
> ""In English law, an appropriate adult is a parent, guardian or social
> worker; or if no person matching this is available, any responsible
> person over 18. The term was introduced as part of the policing
> reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and applies in
> England and Wales."
>
> We say "parent or guardian." The other two categories are puzzling.

In UK law,

Legal minors, and certain categories of vulnerable
person, require the presence of an "appropriate adult"
when being questioned by police on suspicion of a crime. .
If no qualifying relative or carer is available, the state
will provide one.

https://www.appropriateadult.org.uk/information/what-is-
an-appropriate-adult#why

"Why do appropriate adults exist?

Public concern over the Maxwell Confait murder case in
1972 led Parliament, via a Royal Commission, to pass the
Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 (PACE) and its Codes
of Practice.

PACE set out the rules and safeguards for policing in
England and Wales including role of the appropriate adult
(AA).

The principal intention of the AA safeguard was to reduce
the risk of miscarriages of justice as a result of
evidence being obtained from vulnerable suspects which, by
virtue of their vulnerability, led to unsafe and unjust
convictions.

Where the suspect is a child or vulnerable person, PACE
requires the presence of an AA for many procedures.
Police & Criminal Evidence Act 1984"

>> If not, is there an equivalent term in other English
speaking places?

In Scots law provides a Curator Ad Litem to represent,
during legal proceedings,the best interests of a person
who lacks the mental capacity to make decisions for
themselves. A curator may be appointed for a child or for
a person who is mentally or physically incapacitated.

Janet.

In article <chaperone-20231030155832@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> >Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local authority
> >issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for looking after a
> >child in the entertainment world.

> The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
> who is responsible for young people on social occasions even
> if he does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk
> of confusion here. It might be better to use a specific word for
> persons with a local authority permit.

Yes, it's "Chaperone". That's what it say's on my permit. Some years ago,
the permit said "Matron", but they then realised that men were also
involved

> It could be a word that
> in English has a totally different meaning otherwise, like "hue".

Hue to me is a shade of a colour.

> "Are you the chaperone?" - "Yes, my lady, I am a chaperone and
> I am also a Hue!" - "Oh, so you have a permit!".

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 2023-10-30 09:00, Stefan Ram wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>> Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local authority
>> issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for looking after a
>> child in the entertainment world.
>
> The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
> who is responsible for young people on social occasions even
> if he does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk
> of confusion here. It might be better to use a specific word for
> persons with a local authority permit. It could be a word that
> in English has a totally different meaning otherwise, like "hue".
>
> "Are you the chaperone?" - "Yes, my lady, I am a chaperone and
> I am also a Hue!" - "Oh, so you have a permit!".

In which language would I find the definition of 'Hue' meaning 'a
Chaperone with a permit'?

--
Knowledge is knowing a tomato is a fruit.
Wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 3:30:10 PM UTC, charles wrote:
> In article <chaperone-20...@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
> Stefan Ram <r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> > charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> > >Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local authority
> > >issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for looking after a
> > >child in the entertainment world.
> > The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
> > who is responsible for young people on social occasions even
> > if he does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk
> > of confusion here. It might be better to use a specific word for
> > persons with a local authority permit.
>
> Yes, it's "Chaperone". That's what it say's on my permit. Some years ago,
> the permit said "Matron", but they then realised that men were also
> involved
>
>
>
> > It could be a word that
> > in English has a totally different meaning otherwise, like "hue".
>
> Hue to me is a shade of a colour.

In Cornwall the "huer" watches out for shoals of pilchards. When he
spots them his "hue and cry" calls out the fishing fleet. A 14th century
huer's hut in Newquay:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huer%27s_Hut

> > "Are you the chaperone?" - "Yes, my lady, I am a chaperone and
> > I am also a Hue!" - "Oh, so you have a permit!".
> --
> from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4t้ฒ
> "I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>Hue to me is a shade of a colour.

Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.

Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
but a registered nurse. In the same way, a chaperone with a
permit should not simply be called a "chaperone", because that
word is also used for chaperones without a permit.

In article <Hue-20231030184618@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> >Hue to me is a shade of a colour.

> Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
> this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
> includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
> introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
> any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
> does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.

> Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
> just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
> but a registered nurse. In the same way, a chaperone with a
> permit should not simply be called a "chaperone", because that
> word is also used for chaperones without a permit.

Perhaps the UK Government should have consulted you when they made the
Children (Performance and Activities)(England) Regulation 2014

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té²
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>Perhaps the UK Government should have consulted you when they made the
>Children (Performance and Activities)(England) Regulation 2014

They can still consult me for the amendments (or amends).

On 30 Oct 2023 17:47:19 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
wrote:

>charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>>Hue to me is a shade of a colour.
>
> Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
> this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
> includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
> introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
> any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
> does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.
>
> Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
> just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
> but a registered nurse.

Except we don't. First of all, there is no "ordinary nurse". If the
person is not an RN or BSN (Bachelor of Science, Nursing) he/she is
not a nurse. The person may be a Nurse's Aide, a CSN (Certified
Nurse's Aid), a Nursing Assistant, a CNA (Certified Nursing
Assistant). I think there are some other titles for other positions
that render some care for patients. There are also specialized
nursing positions like a Nurse Anesthetist (CRNA: Certified
Registered Nurse Anesthetist), but they are certification programs
done after becoming an RN or BSN.

In the hospital, no one calls for "the RN" or is called a "RN".

I have some experience with this being married to a BSN and having
spent quite a bit of my life either in hospitals on business, being a
patient in hospitals, or being with a patient.

In the same way, a chaperone with a
> permit should not simply be called a "chaperone", because that
> word is also used for chaperones without a permit.
>
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:03:35 PM UTC-6, TonyCooper wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2023 17:47:19 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
> wrote:
> >charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> >>Hue to me is a shade of a colour.
> >
> > Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
> > this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
> > includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
> > introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
> > any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
> > does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.
> >
> > Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
> > just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
> > but a registered nurse.

> Except we don't. First of all, there is no "ordinary nurse". If the
> person is not an RN or BSN (Bachelor of Science, Nursing) he/she is
> not a nurse.
....

You left out LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) and apparently LVN
(Licensed Vocational Nurse), at least in some states.

--
Jerry Friedman

On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
<jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:03:35?PM UTC-6, TonyCooper wrote:
>> On 30 Oct 2023 17:47:19 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>> wrote:
>> >charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>> >>Hue to me is a shade of a colour.
>> >
>> > Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
>> > this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
>> > includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
>> > introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
>> > any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
>> > does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.
>> >
>> > Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
>> > just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
>> > but a registered nurse.
>
>> Except we don't. First of all, there is no "ordinary nurse". If the
>> person is not an RN or BSN (Bachelor of Science, Nursing) he/she is
>> not a nurse.
>...
>
>You left out LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) and apparently LVN
>(Licensed Vocational Nurse), at least in some states.

Yes...I did add "I think there are some other titles for other
positions that render some care for patients.". I did forget the LPN
because they are not often employed in hospitals. They are usually
employed in home care or in nursing homes in this area.

Each of the job levels I listed deserves respect. Hospitals couldn't
function without them.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 12:33:35 AM UTC+5:30, TonyCooper wrote:
> On 30 Oct 2023 17:47:19 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
> wrote:
> >charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> >>Hue to me is a shade of a colour.
> >
> > Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
> > this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
> > includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
> > introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
> > any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
> > does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.
> >
> > Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
> > just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
> > but a registered nurse.
> Except we don't. First of all, there is no "ordinary nurse". If the
> person is not an RN or BSN (Bachelor of Science, Nursing) he/she is
> not a nurse. The person may be a Nurse's Aide, a CSN (Certified
> Nurse's Aid), a Nursing Assistant, a CNA (Certified Nursing
> Assistant).
>
Candidates for 'ordinary nurse':
LVNs and LPNs* have Nurse in their job title even though their job
functions seem similar to CSNs' and CNAs'.
* Licensed Vocational/ Practical nurse
>
> I think there are some other titles for other positions
> that render some care for patients. There are also specialized
> nursing positions like a Nurse Anesthetist (CRNA: Certified
> Registered Nurse Anesthetist), but they are certification programs
> done after becoming an RN or BSN.
>
> In the hospital, no one calls for "the RN" or is called a "RN".
>
Beyond RN/ BSN is a higher qualification, Nurse Practitioner.
One of those might conceivably have occasion to refer to
nurses under their supervision as RNs.
>
> I have some experience with this being married to a BSN and having
> spent quite a bit of my life either in hospitals on business, being a
> patient in hospitals, or being with a patient.
> In the same way, a chaperone with a
> > permit should not simply be called a "chaperone", because that
> > word is also used for chaperones without a permit.
> >
> --
>
> Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

TonyCooper wrote:

> Yes...I did add "I think there are some other titles for other
> positions that render some care for patients.". I did forget the LPN
> because they are not often employed in hospitals. They are usually
> employed in home care or in nursing homes in this area.
>
> Each of the job levels I listed deserves respect. Hospitals couldn't
> function without them.

True - and many of us couldn't either.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On 30/10/23 14:30, charles wrote:
> In article <96500713-409d-4b6e-8605-9c04bd2d0ce5n@googlegroups.com>,
> Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:09:34#PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:
>
>>> Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
>>> https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult
>
>> After being sidetracked by an old TV movie,
>
>> ""In English law, an appropriate adult is a parent, guardian or
>> social worker; or if no person matching this is available, any
>> responsible person over 18. The term was introduced as part of the
>> policing reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and
>> applies in England and Wales."
>
>> We say "parent or guardian." The other two categories are
>> puzzling.
>
> Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local
> authority issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for
> looking after a child in the entertainment world.

A "Working with Children permit" is required here for a number of
occupations. I have allowed mine to expire because I no longer do
coaching of school children.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 2023-10-30, charles wrote:

> In article <chaperone-20231030155832@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>,
> Stefan Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>> >Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local authority
>> >issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for looking after a
>> >child in the entertainment world.
>
>> The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
>> who is responsible for young people on social occasions even
>> if he does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk
>> of confusion here. It might be better to use a specific word for
>> persons with a local authority permit.
>
> Yes, it's "Chaperone". That's what it say's on my permit. Some years ago,
> the permit said "Matron", but they then realised that men were also
> involved

"Oo, matron!" (Someone had to say it.)

Is this different from the DBS check that you need for working or
volunteering with children or vulnerable adults?

--
In the fall when plants return, by harvest time, she knows the score,
ripe and ready to the eye, but rotten somehow to the core.

On 2023-10-30, TonyCooper wrote:

> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
><jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:03:35?PM UTC-6, TonyCooper wrote:
>>> On 30 Oct 2023 17:47:19 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>> wrote:
>>> >charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>>> >>Hue to me is a shade of a colour.
>>> >
>>> > Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
>>> > this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
>>> > includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
>>> > introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
>>> > any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
>>> > does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.
>>> >
>>> > Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
>>> > just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
>>> > but a registered nurse.
>>
>>> Except we don't. First of all, there is no "ordinary nurse". If the
>>> person is not an RN or BSN (Bachelor of Science, Nursing) he/she is
>>> not a nurse.
>>...
>>
>>You left out LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) and apparently LVN
>>(Licensed Vocational Nurse), at least in some states.
>
> Yes...I did add "I think there are some other titles for other
> positions that render some care for patients.". I did forget the LPN
> because they are not often employed in hospitals. They are usually
> employed in home care or in nursing homes in this area.
>
> Each of the job levels I listed deserves respect. Hospitals couldn't
> function without them.

+1

--
All crime is due to incorrect breathing.
---Sir Henry Rawlinson

In article <nu471kxphp.ln2@news.ducksburg.com>, Adam Funk
<a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-30, charles wrote:

> > In article <chaperone-20231030155832@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>, Stefan
> > Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> >> >Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local
> >> >authority issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for
> >> >looking after a child in the entertainment world.
> >
> >> The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
> >> who is responsible for young people on social occasions even if he
> >> does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk of confusion
> >> here. It might be better to use a specific word for persons with a
> >> local authority permit.
> >
> > Yes, it's "Chaperone". That's what it say's on my permit. Some years
> > ago, the permit said "Matron", but they then realised that men were
> > also involved

> "Oo, matron!" (Someone had to say it.)

> Is this different from the DBS check that you need for working or
> volunteering with children or vulnerable adults?

No and Yes. The DBS check is part of the preliminaries. But, you need
instruction, too. Originally this was by a day of in person lectures, but
now there's an online course run by the NSPCC

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té˛
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 2023-10-31, charles wrote:

> In article <nu471kxphp.ln2@news.ducksburg.com>, Adam Funk
><a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
>> On 2023-10-30, charles wrote:
>
>> > In article <chaperone-20231030155832@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>, Stefan
>> > Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
>> >> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>> >> >Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local
>> >> >authority issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for
>> >> >looking after a child in the entertainment world.
>> >
>> >> The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
>> >> who is responsible for young people on social occasions even if he
>> >> does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk of confusion
>> >> here. It might be better to use a specific word for persons with a
>> >> local authority permit.
>> >
>> > Yes, it's "Chaperone". That's what it say's on my permit. Some years
>> > ago, the permit said "Matron", but they then realised that men were
>> > also involved
>
>> "Oo, matron!" (Someone had to say it.)
>
>> Is this different from the DBS check that you need for working or
>> volunteering with children or vulnerable adults?
>
> No and Yes. The DBS check is part of the preliminaries. But, you need
> instruction, too. Originally this was by a day of in person lectures, but
> now there's an online course run by the NSPCC

I've done DBS checks for things like helping with school field trips &
scouting activities, but I didn't know about the "advanced
level". Interesting, thanks.

--
Outside of the city limits the heart of darkness, the true wasteland
begins. --Ignatius J Reilly

In article <62c71kxc1s.ln2@news.ducksburg.com>,
Adam Funk <a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> On 2023-10-31, charles wrote:

> > In article <nu471kxphp.ln2@news.ducksburg.com>, Adam Funk
> ><a24061@ducksburg.com> wrote:
> >> On 2023-10-30, charles wrote:
> >
> >> > In article <chaperone-20231030155832@ram.dialup.fu-berlin.de>, Stefan
> >> > Ram <ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de> wrote:
> >> >> charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> >> >> >Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local
> >> >> >authority issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for
> >> >> >looking after a child in the entertainment world.
> >> >
> >> >> The same word (with a small 'c') is also used for an older person
> >> >> who is responsible for young people on social occasions even if
> >> >> he does not have a local authority permit, so I see a risk of
> >> >> confusion here. It might be better to use a specific word for
> >> >> persons with a local authority permit.
> >> >
> >> > Yes, it's "Chaperone". That's what it say's on my permit. Some years
> >> > ago, the permit said "Matron", but they then realised that men were
> >> > also involved
> >
> >> "Oo, matron!" (Someone had to say it.)
> >
> >> Is this different from the DBS check that you need for working or
> >> volunteering with children or vulnerable adults?
> >
> > No and Yes. The DBS check is part of the preliminaries. But, you need
> > instruction, too. Originally this was by a day of in person lectures,
> > but now there's an online course run by the NSPCC

> I've done DBS checks for things like helping with school field trips &
> scouting activities, but I didn't know about the "advanced
> level". Interesting, thanks.

That allows me one to one access with a child. I've never had to use it,
though

--
from KT24 in Surrey, England - sent from my RISC OS 4té˛
"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:53:11 PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 30/10/23 14:30, charles wrote:
> > In article <96500713-409d-4b6e...@googlegroups.com>,
> > Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:09:34#PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

> >>> Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
> >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult
> >> After being sidetracked by an old TV movie,
> >> ""In English law, an appropriate adult is a parent, guardian or
> >> social worker; or if no person matching this is available, any
> >> responsible person over 18. The term was introduced as part of the
> >> policing reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and
> >> applies in England and Wales."
> >> We say "parent or guardian." The other two categories are
> >> puzzling.
> > Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local
> > authority issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for
> > looking after a child in the entertainment world.
>
> A "Working with Children permit" is required here for a number of
> occupations. I have allowed mine to expire because I no longer do
> coaching of school children.

Someone could infract (or, get caught) for the first time _after_ they
got a permit/license. We have "background checks."

In article <a9113bc7-f407-40fc-ab69-51701d052403n@googlegroups.com>,
Peter T. Daniels <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 7:53:11#PM UTC-4, Peter Moylan wrote:
> > On 30/10/23 14:30, charles wrote:
> > > In article <96500713-409d-4b6e...@googlegroups.com>,
> > > Peter T. Daniels <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> On Sunday, October 29, 2023 at 7:09:34#PM UTC-4, Dingbat wrote:

> > >>> Does Appropriate Adult have a meaning outside the UK?
> > >>> https://www.google.com/search?q=appropriate+adult
> > >> After being sidetracked by an old TV movie,
> > >> ""In English law, an appropriate adult is a parent, guardian or
> > >> social worker; or if no person matching this is available, any
> > >> responsible person over 18. The term was introduced as part of the
> > >> policing reforms in the Police and Criminal Evidence Act 1984 and
> > >> applies in England and Wales."
> > >> We say "parent or guardian." The other two categories are
> > >> puzzling.
> > > Possibly, I'd be considerd a "responsible person". I have a local
> > > authority issued permit to be a "Chaperone" (someone resposible for
> > > looking after a child in the entertainment world.
> >
> > A "Working with Children permit" is required here for a number of
> > occupations. I have allowed mine to expire because I no longer do
> > coaching of school children.

> Someone could infract (or, get caught) for the first time _after_ they
> got a permit/license. We have "background checks."

Those happen when you apply for a DBS (Dislosure and Barring Service)
Clearance. Obviously anyone can be naughty after a check, but they aren't
for life - only 3 years.

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"I'd rather die of exhaustion than die of boredom" Thomas Carlyle

On 2023-10-31 05:28, Adam Funk wrote:
> On 2023-10-30, TonyCooper wrote:
>
>> On Mon, 30 Oct 2023 12:10:27 -0700 (PDT), Jerry Friedman
>> <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday, October 30, 2023 at 1:03:35?PM UTC-6, TonyCooper wrote:
>>>> On 30 Oct 2023 17:47:19 GMT, r...@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
>>>> wrote:
>>>>> charles <cha...@candehope.me.uk> writes:
>>>>>> Hue to me is a shade of a colour.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I have deliberately chosen a word that does not normally have
>>>>> this meaning to make it clear that it is a special meaning that
>>>>> includes the permit. The idea was that the licensing authority would
>>>>> introduce this word for the holder of the permit. This is to avoid
>>>>> any confusion with the normal meaning of the word "chaperone", which
>>>>> does not necessarily include a permit as far as I understand it.
>>>>>
>>>>> Compare this with the RN from the USA. We call her "RN" and not
>>>>> just "nurse" to indicate that she is not just an ordinary nurse
>>>>> but a registered nurse.
>>>
>>>> Except we don't. First of all, there is no "ordinary nurse". If the
>>>> person is not an RN or BSN (Bachelor of Science, Nursing) he/she is
>>>> not a nurse.
>>> ...
>>>
>>> You left out LPN (Licensed Practical Nurse) and apparently LVN
>>> (Licensed Vocational Nurse), at least in some states.
>>
>> Yes...I did add "I think there are some other titles for other
>> positions that render some care for patients.". I did forget the LPN
>> because they are not often employed in hospitals. They are usually
>> employed in home care or in nursing homes in this area.
>>
>> Each of the job levels I listed deserves respect. Hospitals couldn't
>> function without them.
>
> +1

Unless I am faced with a nurse that is incompetent or just plain nasty,
I always make it a point to tell them how much I appreciate the work
they do.

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