I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
'chillaxing'.)

"OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."

It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.

However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?

TinyURL: https://tinyurl.com/y5ujvsty

Peter T. Daniels:

> the greatest writer in the English language, the Rev.
> Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:

He was a great logician, photographer, and fantasist. But
the greatest writer in English, let alone, a reverend!?.

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On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:16:20 PM UTC, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> Peter T. Daniels:
> > the greatest writer in the English language, the Rev.
> > Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> He was a great logician, photographer, and fantasist. But
> the greatest writer in English, let alone, a reverend!?.

Few books in English are as well known as "Alice in Wonderland"? You
might at least give him credit for being a great writer? This is my favourite
stanza of nonsense outside of A A Milne and Edward Lear:

"I heard him then, for I had just
Completed my design
To keep the Menai bridge from rust
By boiling it in wine..."

https://allpoetry.com/The-Aged-Aged-Man

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:29:11 PM UTC, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:16:20 PM UTC, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> > Peter T. Daniels:
> > > the greatest writer in the English language, the Rev.
> > > Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> > He was a great logician, photographer, and fantasist. But
> > the greatest writer in English, let alone, a reverend!?.
> Few books in English are as well known as "Alice in Wonderland"? You
> might at least give him credit for being a great writer? This is my favourite
> stanza of nonsense outside of A A Milne and Edward Lear:
>
> "I heard him then, for I had just
> Completed my design
> To keep the Menai bridge from rust
> By boiling it in wine..."
>
> https://allpoetry.com/The-Aged-Aged-Man

An explanation for navi is provided in that link:

The name of the song is called 'Haddocks' Eyes.'

"Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?". Alice said,
trying to feel interested.

"No, you don't understand," the knight said, looking a little vexed.
That's what the name is called. The name really is 'The Aged, Aged
Man.'"

"Then I ought to have said 'That's what the song is called'?" Alice
corrected herself.

"No, you oughtn't: that's quite another thing! The song is called 'Ways
and Means': but that's only what it is called, you know!"

"Well, what is the song, then?" said Alice, who was, by this time
completely bewildered.

"I was coming to that," the Knight said. "The song really is 'A-sitting
On a Gate'...

Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass. This is a parody of Wordsworth's
poem "The Leech Gatherer"...

On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 11:45:02 AM UTC-4, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:29:11 PM UTC, Lionel Edwards wrote:
> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 3:16:20 PM UTC, Anton Shepelev wrote:
> > > Peter T. Daniels:

> > > > the greatest writer in the English language, the Rev.
> > > > Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> > > He was a great logician, photographer, and fantasist. But
> > > the greatest writer in English, let alone, a reverend!?.
> > Few books in English are as well known as "Alice in Wonderland"? You
> > might at least give him credit for being a great writer? This is my favourite
> > stanza of nonsense outside of A A Milne and Edward Lear:
> > "I heard him then, for I had just
> > Completed my design
> > To keep the Menai bridge from rust
> > By boiling it in wine..."
> > https://allpoetry.com/The-Aged-Aged-Man
>
> An explanation for navi is provided in that link:
>
> The name of the song is called 'Haddocks' Eyes.'
>
> "Oh, that's the name of the song, is it?". Alice said,
> trying to feel interested.
>
> "No, you don't understand," the knight said, looking a little vexed.
> That's what the name is called. The name really is 'The Aged, Aged
> Man.'"
>
> "Then I ought to have said 'That's what the song is called'?" Alice
> corrected herself.
>
> "No, you oughtn't: that's quite another thing! The song is called 'Ways
> and Means': but that's only what it is called, you know!"
>
> "Well, what is the song, then?" said Alice, who was, by this time
> completely bewildered.
>
> "I was coming to that," the Knight said. "The song really is 'A-sitting
> On a Gate'...
>
> Lewis Carrol, Through the Looking Glass. This is a parody of Wordsworth's
> poem "The Leech Gatherer"...

Martin Gardner points out that the honourable Knight erred. The only
possible complement to "The song really is ..." would be to sing the song.

On 2023-10-31 03:59, occam wrote:
> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> 'chillaxing'.)
>
> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>
> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>
> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>
> TinyURL: https://tinyurl.com/y5ujvsty

Interesting.

If you select Search in Google Books > breathalyze > 1800-1894

You will find a lot of documents, but you will also reveal the (IMO)
biggest failing of Google NGram viewer; that the original date of the
publication is shown, which is not necessarily the date the search term
occurred in it.

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On 31/10/2023 10:59 p.m., occam wrote:
> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> 'chillaxing'.)
>
> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>
> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>
> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>
> TinyURL: https://tinyurl.com/y5ujvsty
>

Curious indeed. The actual incidence of the -s- variant is _exactly the
same_ (...00000131) for every year 1938-44. On either side of that it's
back to zero. Looks to me like a system-generated burp rather than
evidence of actual usage of the word at those dates.

Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz> writes:
> On 31/10/2023 10:59 p.m., occam wrote:
>> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> 'chillaxing'.)
>>
>> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>>
>> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>>
>> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
>> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>>
>> TinyURL: https://tinyurl.com/y5ujvsty
>
> Curious indeed. The actual incidence of the -s- variant is _exactly
> the same_ (...00000131) for every year 1938-44. On either side of that
> it's back to zero. Looks to me like a system-generated burp rather
> than evidence of actual usage of the word at those dates.

I don't twitch at "breathalyse", but "trafficator" gives me downright
willies.

Phil
--
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gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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On Tue, 31 Oct 2023, at 18:16:14, Anton Shepelev posted:
>Peter T. Daniels:
>
>> the greatest writer in the English language, the Rev.
>> Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>
>He was a great logician, photographer, and fantasist. But
>the greatest writer in English, let alone, a reverend!?.
>
I deny that "reverend" is a noun. Tsk, tsk, so adjectival.
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On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>
>> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> 'chillaxing'.)
>>
>> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>>
>> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>
> I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
> the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:

Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.

>
>
> "''Well, "slithy" means "lithe and slimy". "Lithe" is the same as "active". You
> see it's like a portmanteau — there are two meanings packed up into one word.'"
>

And how often do you see 'slithy' used in everyday language? Breathalyse
is a very common term. (BTW, "slithy tove" is a very apt description of
you.)

> (Whence the technical term "portmanteau word.")
>
>> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
>> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>>
>> TinyURL: https://tinyurl.com/y5ujvsty

>
> A wild guess: because the British Armed Forces introduced such a device
> in 1937, and it went out of use with the cessation of hostilities?

Wild guess, but wrong. 'Breathalyse' is the AmE spelling.

<snip>

On 31/10/2023 20:06, Ross Clark wrote:
> On 31/10/2023 10:59 p.m., occam wrote:
>> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> 'chillaxing'.)
>>
>> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>>
>> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in
>> 1964.
>>
>> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
>> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>>
>> TinyURL:  https://tinyurl.com/y5ujvsty
>>
>
> Curious indeed. The actual incidence of the -s- variant is _exactly the
> same_ (...00000131) for every year 1938-44. On either side of that it's
> back to zero. Looks to me like a system-generated burp rather than
> evidence of actual usage of the word at those dates.

I agree with your Ngram brain-fart conclusion. The graph (in that
period) is too symmetric and too synthetic looking to be based on real data.

On 01/11/2023 14:33, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

>

>>>> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
>>>> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>
> No, that's BrE usage.
>

For once, the broken clock tells the true time. Yes, BrE, not AmE.

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>
>> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> >> 'chillaxing'.)
>> >> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>> >> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>> >> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
>> > the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>>
>> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
>
>There are no "throws" in Monopoly.

How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

In article <u155ki17a6gse38lhab2hvg6hokhel74p0@4ax.com>, TonyCooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:

> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >
> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> >> >> 'chillaxing'.) "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from
> >> >> 1964, in Evening Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)." It
> >> >> must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in
> >> >> 1964.
> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language, the
> >> > Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> >>
> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
> >
> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.

> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?

you use a dice pot and pour them out.

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On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> On 01/11/2023 14:33, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:

[No, he did not.]
> >>>> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
> >>>> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
> > No, that's BrE usage.
>
> For once, the broken clock tells the true time. Yes, BrE, not AmE.

Interesting that you deleted the corrections of your other mistakes.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03 PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:

> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> >> >> 'chillaxing'.)
> >> >> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
> >> >> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
> >> >> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
> >> > the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
>
> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?

Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
which there isn't, it might be "toss."

Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
think I got it wrong.

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:45:08 PM UTC-4, charles wrote:
> In article <u155ki17a6gse38lh...@4ax.com>, TonyCooper
> <tonyco...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> > >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> > >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> > >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> > >> >> 'chillaxing'.) "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from
> > >> >> 1964, in Evening Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)." It
> > >> >> must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in
> > >> >> 1964.
> > >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language, the
> > >> > Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> > >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
> > >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
> > How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
> you use a dice pot and pour them out.

Oooh, fancy!

charles <charles@candehope.me.uk> writes:
> In article <u155ki17a6gse38lhab2hvg6hokhel74p0@4ax.com>, TonyCooper
> <tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> >
>> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> >> >> 'chillaxing'.) "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from
>> >> >> 1964, in Evening Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)." It
>> >> >> must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in
>> >> >> 1964.
>> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language, the
>> >> > Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>> >>
>> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
>> >
>> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
>
>> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
>
> you use a dice pot and pour them out.

Pot? What's wrong with using a cup like everyone else?

However, "throw of the dice" is common enough a phrase for Longman to
list it: https://www.ldoceonline.com/dictionary/a-throw-of-the-dice

Phil
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gained some understanding of the world in which we live. As such, we can cast
aside childish remnants from the dawn of our civilization.
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On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>
>> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> >> >> 'chillaxing'.)
>> >> >> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>> >> >> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>> >> >> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
>> >> > the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
>> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
>>
>> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
>
>Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
>which there isn't, it might be "toss."

Oh, c'mon! To refer to casting the dice as "throwing the dice" is
commonly used in any situation where dice are used. "Toss" is also
used, but exclusively used.

The "Official Game Rules", according to
https://www.officialgamerules.org/monopoly

says: Starting with the Banker, each player in turn throws the dice.
The player with the highest total starts the play. Place your token on
the corner marked "GO", then throw the dice and move your token (in
the direction of the arrow) the number of spaces indicated by the
dice.
You look so foolish when you attempt to defend some bone-head
statement.
>
>Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
>think I got it wrong.

You did.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:38:08 PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:

> >> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> >> >> >> 'chillaxing'.)
> >> >> >> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
> >> >> >> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
> >> >> >> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
> >> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
> >> >> > the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> >> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
> >> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
> >> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
> >Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
> >which there isn't, it might be "toss."
>
> Oh, c'mon! To refer to casting the dice as "throwing the dice" is
> commonly used in any situation where dice are used. "Toss" is also
> used, but exclusively used.

Fortunately, I am not you.

> The "Official Game Rules", according to
> https://www.officialgamerules.org/monopoly
>
> says: Starting with the Banker, each player in turn throws the dice.
> The player with the highest total starts the play. Place your token on
> the corner marked "GO", then throw the dice and move your token (in
> the direction of the arrow) the number of spaces indicated by the
> dice.

Doubtless you also regularly refer to a nether garment as "a pant"
because that's what you'll find in a wholesaler's catalog. Being in
a document drawn up nearly a century ago does not make it current
usage.
> You look so foolish when you attempt to defend some bone-head
> statement.

You look so foolish when you get so petty desperately searching
for things that you think make me look bad.

> >Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
> >think I got it wrong.
>
> You did.

So you seriously claim that there is a penalty in Monopoly of sitting
out for three turns (not "throws")?

On Wed, 01 Nov 2023 16:38:01 -0400, TonyCooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
><petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>>> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>>
>>> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>>> >> >> 'chillaxing'.)
>>> >> >> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>>> >> >> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>>> >> >> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>>> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
>>> >> > the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>>> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
>>> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
>>>
>>> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
>>
>>Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
>>which there isn't, it might be "toss."
>
>Oh, c'mon! To refer to casting the dice as "throwing the dice" is
>commonly used in any situation where dice are used. "Toss" is also
>used, but exclusively used.

Thinko that should have been "...but not exclusively used."
>
>The "Official Game Rules", according to
>https://www.officialgamerules.org/monopoly
>
>says: Starting with the Banker, each player in turn throws the dice.
>The player with the highest total starts the play. Place your token on
>the corner marked "GO", then throw the dice and move your token (in
>the direction of the arrow) the number of spaces indicated by the
>dice.
>
>You look so foolish when you attempt to defend some bone-head
>statement.
>>
>>Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
>>think I got it wrong.
>
>You did.
--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

Den 01-11-2023 kl. 21:06 skrev Peter T. Daniels:
> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 9:48:41 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> On 01/11/2023 14:33, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50 AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>>>> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>
> [No, he did not.]
>>>>>> However, there is a curious anomaly of its NGram, which shows a spate of
>>>>>> AmE usage around the period of WWII? Anyone know why?
>>> No, that's BrE usage.
>>
>> For once, the broken clock tells the true time. Yes, BrE, not AmE.
>
> Interesting that you deleted the corrections of your other mistakes.

What do you think "for once" means?

/Anders, Denmark

On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:49:16 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
<petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:38:08?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
>> >> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>> >> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>> >> >> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>> >> >> > On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>
>> >> >> >> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>> >> >> >> 'chillaxing'.)
>> >> >> >> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>> >> >> >> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>> >> >> >> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>> >> >> > I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
>> >> >> > the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>> >> >> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
>> >> >There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
>> >> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
>> >Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
>> >which there isn't, it might be "toss."
>>
>> Oh, c'mon! To refer to casting the dice as "throwing the dice" is
>> commonly used in any situation where dice are used. "Toss" is also
>> used, but exclusively used.
>
>Fortunately, I am not you.
>
>> The "Official Game Rules", according to
>> https://www.officialgamerules.org/monopoly
>>
>> says: Starting with the Banker, each player in turn throws the dice.
>> The player with the highest total starts the play. Place your token on
>> the corner marked "GO", then throw the dice and move your token (in
>> the direction of the arrow) the number of spaces indicated by the
>> dice.
>
>Doubtless you also regularly refer to a nether garment as "a pant"
>because that's what you'll find in a wholesaler's catalog. Being in
>a document drawn up nearly a century ago does not make it current
>usage.
>
>> You look so foolish when you attempt to defend some bone-head
>> statement.
>
>You look so foolish when you get so petty desperately searching
>for things that you think make me look bad.
>
>> >Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
>> >think I got it wrong.
>>
>> You did.
>
>So you seriously claim that there is a penalty in Monopoly of sitting
>out for three turns (not "throws")?

One of the entertaining aspects of correcting your bloopers is seeing
how far afield you will go in your defense while, at the same time,
ignoring the actual mistake.

In this case you've brought in how long ago the rules of Monopoly were
written in a vain attempt to claim the term used is no longer current.
Yet, those same rules are what's included today in every box of
Monopoly either as a separate sheet or written on the underside of the
box lid.

Then you went to something allegedly written in a clothing
wholesaler's catalog that has nothing to do with Monopoly, the term
"throw" to describe casting the dice, or anything remotely relevant to
the thread. In this case, you've pantsed yourself.

Finally, you allude to a claim never made.

Anyone who has played a board game using dice accepts "Roll the dice",
"Throw the dice" or "Toss the dice" as equally valid uses. Currently.

When the game is craps, "Shoot the dice" or "Roll the dice" would
probably be the most common usage.

--

Tony Cooper - Orlando,Florida

On 01-Nov-23 20:38, TonyCooper wrote:
> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
>>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
>>> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>>>>> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
>>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
>>
>>>>>>> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
>>>>>>> 'chillaxing'.)
>>>>>>> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
>>>>>>> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
>>>>>>> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
>>>>>> I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
>>>>>> the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
>>>>> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
>>>> There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
>>>
>>> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
>>
>> Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
>> which there isn't, it might be "toss."
>
> Oh, c'mon! To refer to casting the dice as "throwing the dice" is
> commonly used in any situation where dice are used. "Toss" is also
> used, but exclusively used.
>
> The "Official Game Rules", according to
> https://www.officialgamerules.org/monopoly
>
> says: Starting with the Banker, each player in turn throws the dice.
> The player with the highest total starts the play. Place your token on
> the corner marked "GO", then throw the dice and move your token (in
> the direction of the arrow) the number of spaces indicated by the
> dice.
>
> You look so foolish when you attempt to defend some bone-head
> statement.
>>
>> Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
>> think I got it wrong.
>
> You did.

Was he attempting the Ruby con?

--
Sam Plusnet

On Thu, 2 Nov 2023 02:19:21 +0000
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:

> On 01-Nov-23 20:38, TonyCooper wrote:
> > On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 13:09:28 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> > <petertdaniels@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 2:11:03?PM UTC-4, TonyCooper wrote:
> >>> On Wed, 1 Nov 2023 06:33:42 -0700 (PDT), "Peter T. Daniels"
> >>> <petert...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>> On Wednesday, November 1, 2023 at 4:12:50?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >>>>> On 31/10/2023 16:06, Peter T. Daniels wrote:
> >>>>>> On Tuesday, October 31, 2023 at 6:00:01?AM UTC-4, occam wrote:
> >>
> >>>>>>> I was contemplating the horribleness of 'breathalyse'. (A bit like
> >>>>>>> 'chillaxing'.)
> >>>>>>> "OED's earliest evidence for breathalyse is from 1964, in Evening
> >>>>>>> Telegram (Rocky Mount, North Carolina)."
> >>>>>>> It must've been a horrible con-fusion ( 'breath + analyse' ) even in 1964.
> >>>>>> I refer you to the greatest writer in the English language,
> >>>>>> the Rev. Charles Lutwidge Dodgson:
> >>>>> Go back to 'GO'. Do not collect $200. Miss the next three throws.
> >>>> There are no "throws" in Monopoly.
> >>>
> >>> How do you propel the dice from your hand if you do not "throw" them?
> >>
> >> Board games are not craps. If there's a reason to refer to the motion,
> >> which there isn't, it might be "toss."
> >
> > Oh, c'mon! To refer to casting the dice as "throwing the dice" is
> > commonly used in any situation where dice are used. "Toss" is also
> > used, but /not/ exclusively used.
[previous correction inserted]

I'm thinking that D*ni*ls is neither a caster or a thrower.

> >
> > The "Official Game Rules", according to
> > https://www.officialgamerules.org/monopoly
> >
> > says: Starting with the Banker, each player in turn throws the dice.
> > The player with the highest total starts the play. Place your token on
> > the corner marked "GO", then throw the dice and move your token (in
> > the direction of the arrow) the number of spaces indicated by the
> > dice.
> >
> > You look so foolish when you attempt to defend some bone-head
> > statement.
> >>
> >> Too bad you deleted the rest of my remark, so your stooges will
> >> think I got it wrong.

Did he correct himself in something that you deleted? Seems unlikely.
> >
> > You did.
>
> Was he attempting the Ruby con?
>
That makes me mad </erm little dog character>

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.