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1) She'd rather you do the work.
2) She'd rather you did the work.

Is there any difference in the meanings of those sentences?

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 by: Hibou - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 11:29 UTC

Le 04/11/2023 à 11:03, arthurvv vart a écrit :
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> 1) She'd rather you do the work.
> 2) She'd rather you did the work.
>
> Is there any difference in the meanings of those sentences?

I think I'd say that (1) is more forceful, less diplomatic - and more
American:

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rather+you+do+it%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Crather+you+did+it%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Crather+you+do+it%3Aeng_us_2019%2Crather+you+did+it%3Aeng_us_2019&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3>

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 by: lar3ryca - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 16:48 UTC

On 2023-11-04 05:03, arthurvv vart wrote:
> 1) She'd rather you do the work.
> 2) She'd rather you did the work.
>
> Is there any difference in the meanings of those sentences?

There can be...

"Your mother wants you to mow the lawn."
"But I'm busy fixing my computer."
"She'd rather you mow the lawn."

"I thought your mother asked you to mow the lawn."
"She did, but I was fixing my computer."
"She'd rather you mowed the lawn."
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I bring news of what would have been going to happen if
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 by: Mark Brader - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 19:26 UTC

"Navi" tries some normal English sentences:
> 1) She'd rather you do the work.
> 2) She'd rather you did the work.
>
> Is there any difference in the meanings of those sentences?

1 suggests that it's not yet decided whether "you" will do it.
2 suggests that it is decided, or at least expected that "you"
will not do it.

That's my feeling, anyway.
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 by: Jerry Friedman - Sat, 4 Nov 2023 19:55 UTC

On Saturday, November 4, 2023 at 5:29:26 AM UTC-6, Hibou wrote:
> Le 04/11/2023 à 11:03, arthurvv vart a écrit :
> >
> > 1) She'd rather you do the work.
> > 2) She'd rather you did the work.
> >
> > Is there any difference in the meanings of those sentences?
> I think I'd say that (1) is more forceful, less diplomatic - and more
> American:
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=rather+you+do+it%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Crather+you+did+it%3Aeng_gb_2019%2Crather+you+do+it%3Aeng_us_2019%2Crather+you+did+it%3Aeng_us_2019&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-US-2019&smoothing=3>

Interesting. Despite that, 1 doesn't exist in my English.

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