Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-11-03 11:39:07 +0000, Phil said:
>
> > On 03/11/2023 10:56, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-03 09:48:48 +0000, occam said:
> >>
> >>> On 03/11/2023 09:45, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-11-03 08:27:29 +0000, Hibou said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 08:19, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> >>>>>> On 2023-11-03 07:37:23 +0000, occam said:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird
> >>>>>>> names.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names
> >>>>>>> based on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the
> >>>>>>> American Ornithological Society has announced."
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
> >>>>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I
> >>>>>>> would
> >>>>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
> >>>>>>> Tweet me if you know.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Let's hope that silliness doesn't catch on in physics and chemistry:
> >>>>>> what would we call the Carnot cycle, Planck's constant, the
> >>>>>> Boltzmann constant, the Diels-Alder reaction, Leuchs anhydride,
> >>>>>> Lenard effects? Thse last two (both Nazis) would certainly need to go.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> And then there are the units - like the mole, named after Adrian.
> >>>>
> >>>> More seriously, should we rename the kelvin, joule, henry, farad, ohm,
> >>>> ampère, volt, watt etc.?
> >>
> >> Not that I know of, but I haven't checked.
> >>>
> >>> Were any of those scientists involved in war, slave-trade or other
> >>> currently un-woke activities?
> >>>
> >>> I would hope that their names are safe on the grounds that most woke
> >>> activists are unaware of their achievements.
> >>>
> >>> The only name that I can think of is that of Alfred Nobel who -
> >>> although not a scientist - is associated with a good cause.
> >>
> >> Invention of dynamite?
> >>
> >> There are lots of graphical methods in biochemistry named after
> >> different people, all of them bad names that I never use, other than
> >> the Tsou plot, for which no generally understood alternative exists:
> >> Michaelis-Menten plot (for a plot that Michaelis and Menten didn't
> >> use), Dixon plot (one of two quite different plots that Dixon defined
> >> in the same year), Woolf plot (one of the three plots that Woolf
> >> defined, with no reason for singling it out), Lineweaver–Burk plot
> >> (another of the three plots that Woolf defined, oen of two that
> >> Lineweaver and Burk mentioned), Haynes plot (which Haynes didn't use),
> >> Eadie plot and Hofstee plot (two names for the same thing), Scatchard
> >> plot, Klotz plot, Arrhenius plot, Guggenheim plot, Yagi–Ozawa plot,
> >> Yonetani–Theorell plot, Hunter—Downs plot, Kézdy-Swinbourne plot,
> >> Selwyn plot. There is even something some people call a Cornish-Bowden
> >> plot, though I don't, and I have *never* used that name, not even in
> >> the index à la Daniels (Romanian, see Rumanian). For all of these it is
> >> much better to use names that tell you what they are.
> >>
> >
> > Krebs cycle
>
> > Entner-Doudoroff pathway
> >
> > Islets of Langerhans
> > Sphincter of Oddi
> >
> > Potter-Elvehjem tissue homogenizer
> > Warburg manometer
> > Ehrlenmeyer flask
> > Pasteur pipette
> > Liebig condenser (and all the other varieties)
> >
> > Only yesterday I read that NASA's 'Lucy' probe is en route to visit an
> > asteroid called Donaldjohanson -- is he OK? Astronomy must need an
> > extensive review.
>
> Isn't the name of the Webb telescope criticized because some people
> claim that James Webb wasn't sufficiently woke?

Yes, but more so because James Webb (unlike Hubble)
has no scientific merits whatsoever.
He was merely a NASA administrator. (in charge of the Apollo missions)
Astronomers didn't like it at all.
(and yes, NASA was quite sexist while he was in charge)
If you can bring yourself to get worked up about it,
call the thing the Just Wonderful Space Telescope.

> > This could go on and on.
> >
> > Libavius' fuming spirit is probably safe.
>
> My ignorance is so profound that I wasn't aware of that one.

There are far too many asteroids. And they can be named after whatever.
Random example: Asteroid 110393, Rammstein, named after the band.

Jan

On 2023-11-03 08:08, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-11-03 11:39:07 +0000, Phil said:
>
>> On 03/11/2023 10:56, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-03 09:48:48 +0000, occam said:
>>>
>>>> On 03/11/2023 09:45, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>> On 2023-11-03 08:27:29 +0000, Hibou said:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 08:19, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>>>>>>> On 2023-11-03 07:37:23 +0000, occam said:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird
>>>>>>>> names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new
>>>>>>>> names based
>>>>>>>> on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the
>>>>>>>> American
>>>>>>>> Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were
>>>>>>>> made to
>>>>>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I
>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>>>>>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Let's hope that silliness doesn't catch on in physics and chemistry:
>>>>>>> what would we call the Carnot cycle,  Planck's constant, the
>>>>>>> Boltzmann constant, the Diels-Alder reaction, Leuchs anhydride,
>>>>>>> Lenard effects? Thse last two (both Nazis) would certainly need
>>>>>>> to go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And then there are the units - like the mole, named after Adrian.
>>>>>
>>>>> More seriously, should we rename the kelvin, joule, henry, farad, ohm,
>>>>> ampère, volt, watt etc.?
>>>
>>> Not that I know of, but I haven't checked.
>>>>
>>>> Were any of those scientists involved in war, slave-trade or other
>>>> currently un-woke activities?
>>>>
>>>> I would hope that their names are safe on the grounds that most woke
>>>> activists are unaware of their achievements.
>>>>
>>>> The only name that I can think of is that of Alfred Nobel who -
>>>> although not a scientist - is associated with a good cause.
>>>
>>> Invention of dynamite?
>>>
>>> There are lots of graphical methods in biochemistry named after
>>> different people, all of them bad names that I never use, other than
>>> the Tsou plot, for which no generally understood alternative exists:
>>> Michaelis-Menten plot (for a plot that Michaelis and Menten didn't
>>> use), Dixon plot (one of two quite different plots that Dixon defined
>>> in the same year), Woolf plot (one of the three plots that Woolf
>>> defined, with no reason for singling it out), Lineweaver–Burk plot
>>> (another of the three plots that Woolf defined, oen of two that
>>> Lineweaver and Burk mentioned), Haynes plot (which Haynes didn't
>>> use), Eadie plot and  Hofstee plot (two names for the same thing),
>>> Scatchard plot, Klotz plot, Arrhenius plot, Guggenheim plot,
>>> Yagi–Ozawa plot, Yonetani–Theorell plot, Hunter—Downs plot,
>>> Kézdy-Swinbourne plot, Selwyn plot. There is even something some
>>> people call a Cornish-Bowden plot, though I don't, and I have *never*
>>> used that name, not even in the index à la Daniels (Romanian, see
>>> Rumanian). For all of these it is much better to use names that tell
>>> you what they are.
>>>
>>
>> Krebs cycle
>
>> Entner-Doudoroff pathway
>>
>> Islets of Langerhans
>> Sphincter of Oddi
>>
>> Potter-Elvehjem tissue homogenizer
>> Warburg manometer
>> Ehrlenmeyer flask
>> Pasteur pipette
>> Liebig condenser (and all the other varieties)
>>
>> Only yesterday I read that NASA's 'Lucy' probe is en route to visit an
>> asteroid called Donaldjohanson -- is he OK? Astronomy must need an
>> extensive review.
>
> Isn't the name of the Webb telescope criticized because some people
> claim that James Webb wasn't sufficiently woke?
>>
>> This could go on and on.
>>
>> Libavius' fuming spirit is probably safe.
>
> My ignorance is so profound that I wasn't aware of that one.

My apathy in relation to all this woke crap far exceeds my level of
caring about complying with it.

--
The problem with kleptomaniacs is that
they always take things literally.

On 2023-11-03 07:42, Janet wrote:
> In article <ui2aib$2mtf2$2@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>
>> Le 03/11/2023 à 07:37, occam a écrit :
>>>
>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird names.
>>>
>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names based
>>> on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the American
>>> Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>
>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>
>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>
>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I would
>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>
>> I fear that will confuse the birds. It's surely wrong to change their
>> names without consulting them. Not very democratic.
>>
>> And what next? Do great tits have a future?
>
> Doomed. So are cockatoos and woodpeckers.

Blackbirds too, I think.

As for common bird names;

Loon Neuro-diverse
Chickadee LGBTQ2S+adee
Cowbird LargeBonedBird
Dickcissel Genitalcissel

--
If you jog in a jogging suit, lounge in lounging pyjamas, and smoke in
a smoking jacket, WHY would anyone want to wear a windbreaker??

Op 3/11/2023 om 15:36 schreef J. J. Lodder:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On 2023-11-03 11:39:07 +0000, Phil said:
>>
>>> On 03/11/2023 10:56, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-03 09:48:48 +0000, occam said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 03/11/2023 09:45, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>> On 2023-11-03 08:27:29 +0000, Hibou said:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 08:19, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>>>>>>>> On 2023-11-03 07:37:23 +0000, occam said:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird
>>>>>>>>> names.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names
>>>>>>>>> based on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the
>>>>>>>>> American Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
>>>>>>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I
>>>>>>>>> would
>>>>>>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>>>>>>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Let's hope that silliness doesn't catch on in physics and chemistry:
>>>>>>>> what would we call the Carnot cycle, Planck's constant, the
>>>>>>>> Boltzmann constant, the Diels-Alder reaction, Leuchs anhydride,
>>>>>>>> Lenard effects? Thse last two (both Nazis) would certainly need to go.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And then there are the units - like the mole, named after Adrian.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> More seriously, should we rename the kelvin, joule, henry, farad, ohm,
>>>>>> ampère, volt, watt etc.?
>>>>
>>>> Not that I know of, but I haven't checked.
>>>>>
>>>>> Were any of those scientists involved in war, slave-trade or other
>>>>> currently un-woke activities?
>>>>>
>>>>> I would hope that their names are safe on the grounds that most woke
>>>>> activists are unaware of their achievements.
>>>>>
>>>>> The only name that I can think of is that of Alfred Nobel who -
>>>>> although not a scientist - is associated with a good cause.
>>>>
>>>> Invention of dynamite?
>>>>
>>>> There are lots of graphical methods in biochemistry named after
>>>> different people, all of them bad names that I never use, other than
>>>> the Tsou plot, for which no generally understood alternative exists:
>>>> Michaelis-Menten plot (for a plot that Michaelis and Menten didn't
>>>> use), Dixon plot (one of two quite different plots that Dixon defined
>>>> in the same year), Woolf plot (one of the three plots that Woolf
>>>> defined, with no reason for singling it out), Lineweaver–Burk plot
>>>> (another of the three plots that Woolf defined, oen of two that
>>>> Lineweaver and Burk mentioned), Haynes plot (which Haynes didn't use),
>>>> Eadie plot and Hofstee plot (two names for the same thing), Scatchard
>>>> plot, Klotz plot, Arrhenius plot, Guggenheim plot, Yagi–Ozawa plot,
>>>> Yonetani–Theorell plot, Hunter—Downs plot, Kézdy-Swinbourne plot,
>>>> Selwyn plot. There is even something some people call a Cornish-Bowden
>>>> plot, though I don't, and I have *never* used that name, not even in
>>>> the index à la Daniels (Romanian, see Rumanian). For all of these it is
>>>> much better to use names that tell you what they are.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Krebs cycle
>>
>>> Entner-Doudoroff pathway
>>>
>>> Islets of Langerhans
>>> Sphincter of Oddi
>>>
>>> Potter-Elvehjem tissue homogenizer
>>> Warburg manometer
>>> Ehrlenmeyer flask
>>> Pasteur pipette
>>> Liebig condenser (and all the other varieties)
>>>
>>> Only yesterday I read that NASA's 'Lucy' probe is en route to visit an
>>> asteroid called Donaldjohanson -- is he OK? Astronomy must need an
>>> extensive review.
>>
>> Isn't the name of the Webb telescope criticized because some people
>> claim that James Webb wasn't sufficiently woke?
>
> Yes, but more so because James Webb (unlike Hubble)
> has no scientific merits whatsoever.
> He was merely a NASA administrator. (in charge of the Apollo missions)
> Astronomers didn't like it at all.
> (and yes, NASA was quite sexist while he was in charge)
> If you can bring yourself to get worked up about it,
> call the thing the Just Wonderful Space Telescope.

Just Watching Space Telescope, AKA Just WaSTe?

--
guido wugi

On 2023-11-03 19:26:56 +0000, lar3ryca said:

> On 2023-11-03 07:42, Janet wrote:
>> In article <ui2aib$2mtf2$2@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
>> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>>
>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 07:37, occam a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird names.
>>>>
>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names based
>>>> on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the American
>>>> Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>>
>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I would
>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>>
>>> I fear that will confuse the birds. It's surely wrong to change their
>>> names without consulting them. Not very democratic.
>>>
>>> And what next? Do great tits have a future?
>>
>> Doomed. So are cockatoos and woodpeckers.
>
> Blackbirds too, I think.

African-Americanbirds?
>
> As for common bird names;
>
> Loon Neuro-diverse
> Chickadee LGBTQ2S+adee
> Cowbird LargeBonedBird
> Dickcissel Genitalcissel

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 03-Nov-23 9:48, occam wrote:
> On 03/11/2023 09:45, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-11-03 08:27:29 +0000, Hibou said:
>>
>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 08:19, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
>>>> On 2023-11-03 07:37:23 +0000, occam said:
>>>>>
>>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird
>>>>> names.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names based
>>>>> on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the American
>>>>> Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>>>
>>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
>>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>>>
>>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I
>>>>> would
>>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>>>
>>>> Let's hope that silliness doesn't catch on in physics and chemistry:
>>>> what would we call the Carnot cycle,  Planck's constant, the
>>>> Boltzmann constant, the Diels-Alder reaction, Leuchs anhydride,
>>>> Lenard effects? Thse last two (both Nazis) would certainly need to go.
>>>
>>> And then there are the units - like the mole, named after Adrian.
>>
>> More seriously, should we rename the kelvin, joule, henry, farad, ohm,
>> ampère, volt, watt etc.?
>>>
>
> Were any of those scientists involved in war, slave-trade or other
> currently un-woke activities?

It might be enough to share a surname with someone involved in such.
Details like "You've got the wrong guy" can be overlooked.

Anyway, they are all "Dead White Males" and hence probably 'deserve' to
be ousted.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 03-Nov-23 11:16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-11-03 10:15:13 +0000, occam said:
>
>> On 03/11/2023 09:21, Hibou wrote:
>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 07:37, occam a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird
>>>> names.
>>>>
>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names based
>>>> on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the American
>>>> Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>>
>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>>
>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I
>>>> would
>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>>
>>> I fear that will confuse the birds. It's surely wrong to change their
>>> names without consulting them. Not very democratic.
>>>
>>> And what next? Do great tits have a future?
>
> There was once a nature article in, I think, the Listener, which a
> mischievous sub-editor had printed as A Great Pair of Tits.
>>
>> And what will become of Florence Nightingale?  Will we have to refer to
>> her as Ms. Florence /Luscinia Megarhynchos/?
>
> Not to mention Jonathan Apodidae and Taylor Apodidae.
>
> There are book names as well that need to be cleaned up, such as
> Hirundinidae and Amazons, but even that is not properly inclusive: why
> are other great rivers excluded? Maybe Hirundinidae and Niles. However,
> I think Amazon may refer to the women warriers of old times rather than
> to the river, so maybe we should update it a bit, to Hirundinidae and
> Kurdish women fighters.

What should we call the character formerly known as Titty?

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2023-11-03 20:13:39 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:

> On 03-Nov-23 11:16, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-11-03 10:15:13 +0000, occam said:
>>
>>> On 03/11/2023 09:21, Hibou wrote:
>>>> Le 03/11/2023 à 07:37, occam a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> It started with the felling of statues, now it has spread to bird names.
>>>>>
>>>>> "Several bird species in the US and Canada will receive new names based
>>>>> on their habitats and traits rather than people's names, the American
>>>>> Ornithological Society has announced."
>>>>>
>>>>> The organisation [AOS] said these "momentous decisions" were made to
>>>>> change harmful and exclusionary English bird names.
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-67298103
>>>>>
>>>>> Disclaimer: I have no personal interest in birds or their names. I would
>>>>> like to know however how a name can be 'harmful' or 'exclusionary'.
>>>>> Tweet me if you know.
>>>>
>>>> I fear that will confuse the birds. It's surely wrong to change their
>>>> names without consulting them. Not very democratic.
>>>>
>>>> And what next? Do great tits have a future?
>>
>> There was once a nature article in, I think, the Listener, which a
>> mischievous sub-editor had printed as A Great Pair of Tits.
>>>
>>> And what will become of Florence Nightingale?  Will we have to refer to
>>> her as Ms. Florence /Luscinia Megarhynchos/?
>>
>> Not to mention Jonathan Apodidae and Taylor Apodidae.
>>
>> There are book names as well that need to be cleaned up, such as
>> Hirundinidae and Amazons, but even that is not properly inclusive: why
>> are other great rivers excluded? Maybe Hirundinidae and Niles. However,
>> I think Amazon may refer to the women warriers of old times rather than
>> to the river, so maybe we should update it a bit, to Hirundinidae and
>> Kurdish women fighters.
>
> What should we call the character formerly known as Titty?

Chesty?

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 03/11/2023 15:39, Jerry Friedman wrote:
> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:15:18 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:

<snip>

>>>
>> And what will become of Florence Nightingale? Will we have to refer to
>> her as Ms. Florence /Luscinia Megarhynchos/?
>
> /Luscinia megarhynchos/, please. Thanks for the italics, but note lower case.
>

Thank you for that correction.

REMARK: I have just noticed a worrying fact. I can see your post(s) on
<news.Eternal-September.org> but NOT on <the News.Individual.NET>. The
latter is a paid for usenet server, based at the University of Berlin (
FU Berlin). Both your replies to my messages are missing.

I am not 100% certain but I suspect it may be because of your user agent
G2/1.0. I cannot see any of your posts after 01-Nov-2023.

On 2023-11-04 09:25:32 +0000, occam said:

> On 03/11/2023 15:39, Jerry Friedman wrote:
>> On Friday, November 3, 2023 at 4:15:18 AM UTC-6, occam wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
>>>>
>>> And what will become of Florence Nightingale? Will we have to refer to
>>> her as Ms. Florence /Luscinia Megarhynchos/?
>>
>> /Luscinia megarhynchos/, please. Thanks for the italics, but note lower case.
>>
>
> Thank you for that correction.
>
> REMARK: I have just noticed a worrying fact. I can see your post(s) on
> <news.Eternal-September.org> but NOT on <the News.Individual.NET>. The
> latter is a paid for usenet server, based at the University of Berlin (
> FU Berlin). Both your replies to my messages are missing.

Me too, apparently. I was surprised not to see Jerry in this thread,
and on checking I find I have nothing from him since the 1st November.
>
> I am not 100% certain but I suspect it may be because of your user agent
> G2/1.0. I cannot see any of your posts after 01-Nov-2023.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 03/11/23 21:15, occam wrote:

> And what will become of Florence Nightingale? Will we have to refer
> to her as Ms. Florence/Luscinia Megarhynchos/?

I had a school classmate called Frankie Nightingale. His true name
probably made sense in Croatian, but we couldn't pronounce it.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 03/11/2023 14:08, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-11-03 11:39:07 +0000, Phil said:
>

>>
>> Libavius' fuming spirit is probably safe.

>
> My ignorance is so profound that I wasn't aware of that one.
>
>

I'm guessing, then, that you didn't get your early chemistry education
from textbooks by EJ Holmyard. Those textbooks were peppered with
historical and alchemical references, asides quoting Shakespeare and the
Bible, and statements of the author's own opinions ("The effect of
bleaching the hair with hydrogen peroxide is not universally regarded as
attractive").

--
Phil B

On 2023-11-06 13:24:50 +0000, Phil said:

> On 03/11/2023 14:08, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-11-03 11:39:07 +0000, Phil said:
>>
>
>>>
>>> Libavius' fuming spirit is probably safe.
>
>>
>> My ignorance is so profound that I wasn't aware of that one.
>>
>>
>
> I'm guessing, then, that you didn't get your early chemistry education
> from textbooks by EJ Holmyard.

Come to think of it, I think I did. The name certainly seems familiar.
However, I didn't memorize every sentence.

> Those textbooks were peppered with historical and alchemical
> references, asides quoting Shakespeare and the Bible, and statements of
> the author's own opinions ("The effect of bleaching the hair with
> hydrogen peroxide is not universally regarded as attractive").

In the subject of hair, who can tell me who invented the permanent
wave? Hint: it was one of the most famous names in biochemistry, mainly
known for something quite different. Answer below.

Leonor Michaelis

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On Monday, November 6, 2023 at 10:15:42 PM UTC+5:30, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-11-06 13:24:50 +0000, Phil said:
>
> > On 03/11/2023 14:08, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >> On 2023-11-03 11:39:07 +0000, Phil said:
> >>
> >
> >>>
> >>> Libavius' fuming spirit is probably safe.
> >
> >>
> >> My ignorance is so profound that I wasn't aware of that one.
> >>
> >>
> >
> > I'm guessing, then, that you didn't get your early chemistry education
> > from textbooks by EJ Holmyard.
> Come to think of it, I think I did. The name certainly seems familiar.
> However, I didn't memorize every sentence.
> > Those textbooks were peppered with historical and alchemical
> > references, asides quoting Shakespeare and the Bible, and statements of
> > the author's own opinions ("The effect of bleaching the hair with
> > hydrogen peroxide is not universally regarded as attractive").
> In the subject of hair, who can tell me who invented the permanent
> wave? Hint: it was one of the most famous names in biochemistry, mainly
> known for something quite different. Answer below.
>
> Leonor Michaelis
>
> --
> Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
> in England until 1987.
>
He was an MD, BTW, who evolved into a scientist. Antisemitism, even before
Naziism, hampered his career in Germany. He was lucky to eventually get a
position at the Rockefeller Institute where he wasn't hindered so. I knew a
scientist who worked at the RI much more recently, in 2008.
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