I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of the past.

I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a similar experience?

On 08/11/2023 10:36, chandelle wrote:
> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of the past.
>
> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a similar experience?
>

I'm afraid this page is not going to help you a lot, reliant as it is on
two tautologies:

https://wikidiff.com/commemoration/remembrance

Hence: "commemoration is the act of commemorating" and "remembrance is
the act of remembering"

How you can do one without the other is a mystery for me.

P.S. When you say "...when we were taught English in school back in my
India", how many Indias are there? Hopefully not as many as there are
Indians. That would necessitate the existence a lot of parallel worlds!

occam wrote:

> I'm afraid this page is not going to help you a lot, reliant as it is on
> two tautologies:
>
> https://wikidiff.com/commemoration/remembrance
>
> Hence: "commemoration is the act of commemorating" and "remembrance is
> the act of remembering"
>
> How you can do one without the other is a mystery for me.

Maybe an Alzheimian can?

> P.S. When you say "...when we were taught English in school back in my
> India", how many Indias are there? Hopefully not as many as there are
> Indians. That would necessitate the existence a lot of parallel worlds!

Isn't that what science teaches us today?

--
Bertel, Denmark

On 08/11/2023 12:57, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> occam wrote:
>
>> I'm afraid this page is not going to help you a lot, reliant as it is on
>> two tautologies:
>>
>> https://wikidiff.com/commemoration/remembrance
>>
>> Hence: "commemoration is the act of commemorating" and "remembrance is
>> the act of remembering"
>>
>> How you can do one without the other is a mystery for me.
>
> Maybe an Alzheimian can?
>
>> P.S. When you say "...when we were taught English in school back in my
>> India", how many Indias are there? Hopefully not as many as there are
>> Indians. That would necessitate the existence a lot of parallel worlds!
>
> Isn't that what science teaches us today?
>

No, Bertel. No one *teaches* such airy-fairy conjectures. Some
airy-fairies however would like to buy into their unsubstantiated
/unsubstantiable fantasies.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:39:48 PM UTC+4, occam wrote:
>
> P.S. When you say "...when we were taught English in school back in my
> India", how many Indias are there? Hopefully not as many as there are
> Indians. That would necessitate the existence a lot of parallel worlds!

By "we", I meant my classmates and I. It was an ordinary school, with teachers of no great standing, in a nondescript town. I'm reasonably sure that the teacher's interpretation of the words was as a consequence of how he saw it being used. This wouldn't happen in the native English world, of course..

* chandelle <ad32b922-df31-41ad-9a45-ecb62eb3d06dn@googlegroups.com> :
Wrote on Wed, 8 Nov 2023 01:36:20 -0800 (PST):

> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in
> my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive
> events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event,
> good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for
> positive events of the past.

The commemoration is an event, but what is commemorated need not be an
event. think academia, commemoration lectures which have a person or
something else for an object.

I only ever see commemoration for "postive" things (India), the fact
that there is a commemoration event means there is some positive aspect
of it. (I'm sure the same applies for remembrance)

what is your example of commemoration of a negative event?

> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were
> used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere
> who had a similar experience?

On 2023-11-08 03:36, chandelle wrote:
> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of the past.
>
> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a similar experience?

I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first wife,
breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no more, no less.

--
I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.

On 2023-11-08 03:36, chandelle wrote:
> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of the past.

Depends on what you mean by

> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a similar experience?

I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first wife,
breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no more, no less.

--
I was addicted to the Hokey Pokey, but I turned myself around.

On Thursday, November 9, 2023 at 7:27:57 AM UTC+4, Madhu wrote:
>
> what is your example of commemoration of a negative event?

Seems like you too were taught similarly.

I don't know the date on which it happened but you could, for example, commemorate the day on which Mahatma Gandhi being kicked out of a train in Pietermaritzburg because he wasn't white. You could similarly commemorate the Jewish holocaust.

It's patent that in the native English world, there's no necessary requirement of positivity to whatever's being commemorated.

It at all it's remembered, the deaths of Indian soldiers would be a Remembrance Day as opposed to a commemoration.

lar3ryca is guilty of <uigmgb$1o86i$1@dont-email.me> as of 11/8/2023
11:11:06 AM
> On 2023-11-08 03:36, chandelle wrote:
>> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my
>> India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events,
>> whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad.
>> Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of
>> the past.
>>
>> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used
>> where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a
>> similar experience?
>
> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it positive
> (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first wife, breaking my
> leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no more, no less.

I usually see "Rememberance" as an event, and usually capitalized,
where people are invited to participate as a group in remembering
something or someone. The idea often includes /honoring/ what is being
/rememberd/; it isn't just sitting at your kitchen table reminiscing
about the past.

Seems to be fairly common these days for alternatives to funerals, but
I have also seen it in connection with the events of Nine-Eleven or of
a mass shooting, or (as someone else mentioned) the Holocaust (usually
as a Rememberance of the Victims of the Holocaust).

Commemoration is oftem used in honoring someone, perhaps for a specific
achievement or perhaps for a string of contributions. It occsionally
shows up covering the same sort of event as Rememberance, but is less
common for that.

/dps "IMHE, of course"

--
Trust, but verify.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 5:09:48 PM UTC+5:30, occam wrote:
> On 08/11/2023 10:36, chandelle wrote:
> > I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of the past.
> >
> > I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a similar experience?
> >
> I'm afraid this page is not going to help you a lot, reliant as it is on
> two tautologies:
>
> https://wikidiff.com/commemoration/remembrance
>
>
> Hence: "commemoration is the act of commemorating" and "remembrance is
> the act of remembering"
>
> How you can do one without the other is a mystery for me.
>
>
> P.S. When you say "...when we were taught English in school back in my
> India", how many Indias are there? Hopefully not as many as there are
> Indians. That would necessitate the existence a lot of parallel worlds!
>
Indias could be temporally rather than spatially differentiated.
The India of the time chandelle's teacher was taught, the India of the
time chandelle was taught and the India of today make 3 Indias.
I learned English from teachers who were taught it in the 1920s
and their readings were substantially in 19th century English, so
my English might be archaic by up to 1 1/2 centuries.

On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:06:23 PM UTC+5:30, chandelle wrote:
> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for positive events of the past.
>
> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who had a similar experience?
>
It was just in the news that Germany commemorated the 85th anniversary of Kristallnacht. How would you word a headline with that information?

On 09 Nov 2023, Dingbat wrote

> On Wednesday, November 8, 2023 at 3:06:23 PM UTC+5:30, chandelle
> wrote:
>> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school
>> back in my
> India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive
> events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an
> event, good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being
> used for positive events of the past.
>>
>> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words
>> were used w
> here I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere who
> had a similar experience?
>>
> It was just in the news that Germany commemorated the 85th
> anniversary of Kristallnacht. How would you word a headline with
> that information?

I think saying that they "marked" the anniversary might work. (It also
has the advantage of being shorter, which is usually better for
headlines.)

--
Cheers, Harvey

On 2023-11-09 01:34, Snidely wrote:
> lar3ryca is guilty of <uigmgb$1o86i$1@dont-email.me> as of 11/8/2023
> 11:11:06 AM
>> On 2023-11-08 03:36, chandelle wrote:
>>> I seem to remember that when we were taught English in school back in
>>> my India, "commemoration" was used almost exclusively for positive
>>> events, whereas the world uses it to describer a marker of an event,
>>> good or bad. Conversely, I don't recall "remembrance" being used for
>>> positive events of the past.
>>>
>>> I'm not about to argue for the incorrectness of how the words were
>>> used where I come from, but is there anyone else here from anywhere
>>> who had a similar experience?
>>
>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no more,
>> no less.
>
> I usually see "Rememberance" as an event, and usually capitalized, where
> people are invited to participate as a group in remembering something or
> someone.  The idea often includes /honoring/ what is being /rememberd/;
> it isn't just sitting at your kitchen table reminiscing about the past.

It certainly CAN be, but it does not exclude reminiscing. In fact, in
one of the dictionaries I consulted, 'reminiscing' is a synonym of
remembrance'

> Seems to be fairly common these days for alternatives to funerals, but I
> have also seen it in connection with the events of Nine-Eleven or of a
> mass shooting, or (as someone else mentioned) the Holocaust (usually as
> a Rememberance of the Victims of the Holocaust)
> Commemoration is oftem used in honoring someone, perhaps for a specific
> achievement or perhaps for a string of contributions.  It occsionally
> shows up covering the same sort of event as Rememberance, but is less
> common for that.

I agree about 'commemoration', but I certainly disagree about
'Remembrance' being less common.

Once a year, in Canada, we have 'Remembrance Day'. Now you may think
that it's for a negative event (world wars), but it is not. It's to
remember and honour those who paid for our freedom with their lives.

--
A potter's creed; Carpe argillam

On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>
> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
> more, no less.

Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
before.

It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
first wife who broke your leg.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>>
>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
>> more, no less.
>
> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
> before.
>
> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
> first wife who broke your leg.

Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).

--
Don’t worry about what most people think.
They don’t do it very often.

On 2023-11-11 00:46:59 +0000, lar3ryca said:

> On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
>> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>
>>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
>>> more, no less.
>>
>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
>> before.
>>
>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
>> first wife who broke your leg.
>
> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).

I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing I write
until I proofread) and sometimes whole words. One word that I often
omit is "not". That can cause problems sometimes.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 11/11/2023 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2023-11-11 00:46:59 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>
>> On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>>>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>>>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>>>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
>>>> more, no less.
>>>
>>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
>>> before.
>>>
>>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
>>> first wife who broke your leg.
>>
>> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).
>
> I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing [SIC] I write

Same here. Except I am not so good at proofreading my own stuff either.

> until
> I proofread) and sometimes whole words. One word that I often omit is
> "not". That can cause problems sometimes.
>

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

>>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
>>> before.
>>>
>>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
>>> first wife who broke your leg.
>>
>> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).
>
> I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing I write
> until I proofread) and sometimes whole words. One word that I often
> omit is "not". That can cause problems sometimes.

I haven't left out words, but I often leave out letters and mix those
around that I do write.

For some reason that I cannot fathom I very often in the German language
group write "main" in stead of "mein". Any attempt at an explanation
will be most welcome.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On 2023-11-11 08:36:42 +0000, occam said:

> On 11/11/2023 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2023-11-11 00:46:59 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>
>>> On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>>>>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>>>>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>>>>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
>>>>> more, no less.
>>>>
>>>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
>>>> before.
>>>>
>>>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
>>>> first wife who broke your leg.
>>>
>>> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).
>>
>> I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing [SIC] I write
>
> Same here. Except I am not so good at proofreading my own stuff either.

I'm much better on paper than I am on the screen, but who uses paper nowadays?
>
>> until
>> I proofread) and sometimes whole words. One word that I often omit is
>> "not". That can cause problems sometimes.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 09:44:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden posted:
>On 2023-11-11 08:36:42 +0000, occam said:
>
>> On 11/11/2023 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2023-11-11 00:46:59 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>>
>>>> On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>>>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>>>>>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>>>>>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>>>>>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
>>>>>> more, no less.
>>>>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles
>>>>>I've read
>>>>> before.
>>>>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it
>>>>>wasn't your
>>>>> first wife who broke your leg.
>>>> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).
>>> I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing [SIC] I
>>>write
>> Same here. Except I am not so good at proofreading my own stuff
>>either.

In the well-respected firm that taught me my patent trade, it was
mandatory for transcriptions of copy-typed texts to be proof-read by a
different typist from the one who had typed that copy. If you do it
yourself, it's all too easy to mis-read something and see it as what you
thought it was last time, or would be this time, and not what it really
was.
>
>I'm much better on paper than I am on the screen, but who uses paper nowadays?

I do. I draft, and revise, better with my hands, letting the words flow
from my fingertips, than with keyboard and screen. I'm a manual thinker
- perhaps a thinking manual should be my next composition?
>>
>>> until
>>> I proofread) and sometimes whole words. One word that I often omit is
>>> "not". That can cause problems sometimes.
>
On a keyboard, some of my fingerpress sequences seem to become ingrained
and then happen without brain supervision. "Not" or "now" in any
instance? I don't suffer that so much with pen-and-ink.
--
Paul W

On Sat, 11 Nov 2023 10:41:56 +0000
Paul Wolff <bounceme@thiswontwork.wolff.co.uk> wrote:

[]
> On a keyboard, some of my fingerpress sequences seem to become ingrained
> and then happen without brain supervision. "Not" or "now" in any
> instance? I don't suffer that so much with pen-and-ink.

Anyone esle suffer from this?

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

On 2023-11-11 10:41:56 +0000, Paul Wolff said:

> On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 09:44:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden posted:
>> On 2023-11-11 08:36:42 +0000, occam said:
>>
>>> On 11/11/2023 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2023-11-11 00:46:59 +0000, lar3ryca said:
>>>>
>>>>> On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
>>>>>> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
>>>>>>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
>>>>>>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
>>>>>>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
>>>>>>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
>>>>>>> more, no less.
>>>>>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've read
>>>>>> before.
>>>>>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't your
>>>>>> first wife who broke your leg.
>>>>> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).
>>>> I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing [SIC] I write
>>> Same here. Except I am not so good at proofreading my own stuff either.
>
> In the well-respected firm that taught me my patent trade, it was
> mandatory for transcriptions of copy-typed texts to be proof-read by a
> different typist from the one who had typed that copy. If you do it
> yourself, it's all too easy to mis-read something and see it as what
> you thought it was last time, or would be this time, and not what it
> really was.

Similarly for adding up a column of numbers (in the days before cheap
calculators). I sometimes used to do an addituion from topt to bottom
and then repeat it bottom to top.
>>
>> I'm much better on paper than I am on the screen, but who uses paper nowadays?
>
> I do. I draft, and revise, better with my hands, letting the words flow
> from my fingertips, than with keyboard and screen. I'm a manual thinker
> - perhaps a thinking manual should be my next composition?
>>>
>>>> until
>>>> I proofread) and sometimes whole words. One word that I often omit is
>>>> "not". That can cause problems sometimes.
>>
> On a keyboard, some of my fingerpress sequences seem to become
> ingrained and then happen without brain supervision. "Not" or "now" in
> any instance? I don't suffer that so much with pen-and-ink.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 36 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

>> In the well-respected firm that taught me my patent trade, it was
>> mandatory for transcriptions of copy-typed texts to be proof-read by a
>> different typist from the one who had typed that copy. If you do it
>> yourself, it's all too easy to mis-read something and see it as what
>> you thought it was last time, or would be this time, and not what it
>> really was.
>
> Similarly for adding up a column of numbers (in the days before cheap
> calculators). I sometimes used to do an addituion from topt to bottom
> and then repeat it bottom to top.

One former participant in the Danish language group told us that he
proofread texts upside-down. It has the advantage that you get the habit
of reading this way. I haven't practised it, though.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Athel Cornish-Bowden <athel.cb@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2023-11-11 10:41:56 +0000, Paul Wolff said:
>
> > On Sat, 11 Nov 2023, at 09:44:54, Athel Cornish-Bowden posted:
> >> On 2023-11-11 08:36:42 +0000, occam said:
> >>
> >>> On 11/11/2023 09:13, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >>>> On 2023-11-11 00:46:59 +0000, lar3ryca said:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On 2023-11-10 18:06, Peter Moylan wrote:
> >>>>>> On 09/11/23 06:10, lar3ryca wrote:
> >>>>>>> I don't see anything inherently positive or negative in the word
> >>>>>>> 'remembrance'. One can have remembrance of a person or event, be it
> >>>>>>> positive (of my mother, of my first bicycle) or negative (my first
> >>>>>>> wife, breaking my leg). It's just bringing something to mind; no
> >>>>>>> more, no less.
> >>>>>> Because of a computer glitch, I'm getting to see some articles I've
> >>>>>> read before.
> >>>>>> It wasn't until this second reading that I realised that it wasn't
> >>>>>> your first wife who broke your leg.
> >>>>> Heh! It's almost as if I left out the 'of's on purpose (I didn't).
> >>>> I find that I frequently omit letters (in almost everthing [SIC] I write
> >>> Same here. Except I am not so good at proofreading my own stuff either.
> >
> > In the well-respected firm that taught me my patent trade, it was
> > mandatory for transcriptions of copy-typed texts to be proof-read by a
> > different typist from the one who had typed that copy. If you do it
> > yourself, it's all too easy to mis-read something and see it as what
> > you thought it was last time, or would be this time, and not what it
> > really was.
>
> Similarly for adding up a column of numbers (in the days before cheap
> calculators). I sometimes used to do an addition from topt to bottom
> and then repeat it bottom to top.

That was standard bookkeeping practice,
to avoid making the same mistake twice.

Trained bookkeepers also could do the addition base-100.
That is, by knowing the tables of addition to base-100 by heart
they added by columns of two digits. (so 17 + 45 = 62 at one go)
Carry is by hundreds instead of tens.

Trained and naturally talented ones could do it base 1000,

Jan