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* good memoriesnavi
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`* Re: good memoriesAthel Cornish-Bowden
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From: arthurvarr@gmail.com (navi)
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Subject: good memories
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 by: navi - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:06 UTC

1) I have good memories of him.
2) I have good memories with him.

Are both grammatically correct and meaningful?
Is there a difference in the meanings?
What is it?

I think you could have good memories of, say, a comedian, without even having known him, but simply because you have enjoyed their comedy.

I think if you have known someone and have experienced things with them that have left good memories in your mind, either could be used.

I'd use 'of' in both cases.

--
Gratefully,
Navi

Lost in the Twilight Zone of the English language
Interested in strange structures
Obsessed with ambiguity

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 by: HenHanna - Sat, 9 Mar 2024 23:57 UTC

navi wrote:

> 1) I have good memories of him.
> 2) I have good memories with him.

> Are both grammatically correct and meaningful?
> Is there a difference in the meanings? What is it?

> I think you could have good memories of, say, a comedian, without even having known him, but simply because you have enjoyed their comedy.

------------------ ok, that sounds good. Or good-ish.


"their"



Do you actually speak English, with (e.g.) friends?

your approach seems similar to waht many Jp students have... and that's WHY they never
get good at speaking (or writing) English.

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 by: Hibou - Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:04 UTC

Le 09/03/2024 à 23:06, navi a écrit :
>
> 1) I have good memories of him.
> 2) I have good memories with him.
>
> Are both grammatically correct and meaningful?

(2) seems peculiar, and I should puzzle over what it was intended to mean.

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=have+good+memories+of+him%2Chave+good+memories+with+him&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

> Is there a difference in the meanings?
> What is it?
>
> I think you could have good memories of, say, a comedian, without even
> having known him, but simply because you have enjoyed their comedy.
>
> I think if you have known someone and have experienced things with them
> that have left good memories in your mind, either could be used.

We had good times together.

> I'd use 'of' in both cases.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:04 UTC

On 2024-03-09 23:06:39 +0000, navi said:

> 1) I have good memories of him.
> 2) I have good memories with him.
>
> Are both grammatically correct and meaningful?

1 is OK; 2 isn't.

> Is there a difference in the meanings?
> What is it?
>
> I think you could have good memories of, say, a comedian, without even
> having known him, but simply because you have enjoyed their comedy.
>
> I think if you have known someone and have experienced things with them
> that have left good memories in your mind, either could be used.

I know I've said this many times before, but don't try to compress too
much meaning into one word. English doesn't work like that. "I have
good memories of my time with him" would be OK.
>
> I'd use 'of' in both cases.

--
Athel cb

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 by: HenHanna - Sun, 10 Mar 2024 08:43 UTC

in the USA, ppl would more likely say: great memories

I have great memories of our fishing trips to .... and .......

We share great memories of the times we spent .....ing or ....ing ....


> I know I've said this many times before, but don't try to compress too
> much meaning into one word. English doesn't work like that. "I have
> good memories of my time with him" would be OK.

> English doesn't work like that. ------ another lang. does?


Good advice. No need to compress.

unless you're writing Haiku, poetry, or prose poem.


_________________

Trying to learn from great novels can be a bad idea in that . . .

you may end up wanting to match the compression of a superb prose poem

--- for example, the closing lines of [The Great Gatsby]

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 by: Hibou - Sun, 10 Mar 2024 10:48 UTC

Le 10/03/2024 à 08:43, HenHanna a écrit :
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> in the USA,  ppl would more likely say:   great memories [...]

No doubt, but saying 'great' instead of 'good' is just linguistic inflation.

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 by: Stefan Ram - Sun, 10 Mar 2024 11:14 UTC

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>Le 10/03/2024 à 08:43, HenHanna a écrit :
>>in the USA,  ppl would more likely say:   great memories [...]
>No doubt, but saying 'great' instead of 'good' is just linguistic inflation.

Sometimes, people also use "fond" or "happy" in front of "memories".

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 by: HenHanna - Sun, 10 Mar 2024 18:47 UTC

> I know I've said this many times before, but don't try to compress too
> much meaning into one word. English doesn't work like that.

Good advice. No need to compress.


A person who is SO focused on [memories of] vs. [memories with] is like...

1. as if he's studying for exam problems that test such things.

2. treating English words like Python keywords.

What's the difference between these ways of looping?

for i in range(5):
for i in list(range(5)):
for i in tuple(range(5)):
for i in [0,1,2,3,4]:
for i in [x for x in range(5)]:
map(lambda i:( ), range(5))



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Hibou wrote:

> Le 10/03/2024 à 08:43, HenHanna a écrit :
>>
>> in the USA,  ppl would more likely say:   great memories [...]

> No doubt, but saying 'great' instead of 'good' is just linguistic inflation.


my sense is that up to the 1950's , USA ppl often said ... Have a good day.

THen in hte 1960's it was more often [Have a Groovy day!] etc.
and then [Have a Great day!]

[i have good memories of.....] sounds so feeble, effete (unmarked) that
i thought maybe

[good memories of] is more often used in the negative, as
[i don't have good memories of.....]
[i can't say that i have good memories of.....]

but when i checked in the NEWS articles, ...........

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