On 15/03/2024 16:27, Stefan Ram wrote:
> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>> |A regrettable tendency has emerged in recent years, esp. in
>> |non-standard English in Britain and abroad, to construe the
>> |verb with "of".
>> Burchfield 1998
>
> When I read essays by Wilde, I still often see "with" or "by":
>
> |I was often bored to death by it
>
> |Bored with Worthing, and still more, I have no doubt ...
>
> |bored with each other
>
> |Bored by the tedious and improving conversation of those who ...
>
> |policeman bored by the absence of crime
>
> . But now let's look at two sentences from "Grand Theft Auto".
> There, the worst types of criminals are portrayed, who do not
> shy away from using even such words as "..." (intentionally
> omitted here) or "..." (omitted intentionally here).
>
> |You ever get bored of your own voice?
>
> |You getting bored of this?

Bonzo Dog Doo-Dah Band:

I'm bored with everything I touch and see
I'm bored with exposes of LSD
I'm bored with Frank Sinatra's new LP
And so I roar (shoo-be-do-be-do)
I'm bored

--
Phil B

Thus spake Athel Cornish-Bowden:
> On 2024-03-15 10:44:37 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
>
>> El Fri, 15 Mar 2024 09:21:57 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden escribió:
>>
>>> On 2024-03-15 06:42:31 +0000, Hibou said:
>>>
>>>> Le 14/03/2024 à 20:19, Sam Plusnet a écrit :
>>>>> On 14-Mar-24 15:03, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 14:34:52 +0000, jerryfriedman said:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> And "different to" is characteristically British,
>>
>> It's what I say.
>>
>>>>>> but generally frowned on by British teachers. When I were a lad it
>>>>>> was very common.
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes.  I'm bored of this sort of thing.
>>>>
>>>> I know you said that deliberately, but Ouch! all the same.
>>>>
>>>> I'm puzzled by how much trouble native speakers have with prepositions.
>>>
>>> Not just native speakers. Prepositions are the most difficult words to
>>> translate, because there is rarely a 1:1 correspondence between
>>> languages. An example is Spanish para/por, which occupy much the same
>>> semantic space as English for/by, but the diucide it up differently.
>>
>> Brits really struggle with this. One just has to *know*.
>>
>> Somebody told a Spanish friend (now dead), that "por" was always "by" -
>> "Hecho por mí para mí" - made by me for me.
>>
>> Then I pointed at the serviette on the bar "Gracias por su visita".
>
> Exactly. A better example than I could think up.
>
> Incidentally, my "the diucide it up" was a less than obvious typo for "they
> divide it up".

I thought maybe you had thrown in a translation for "divide".

/dps

--
Let's celebrate Macaronesia

On 2024-03-16 00:59, Hibou wrote:
> Le 15/03/2024 à 23:06, Peter Moylan a écrit :
>> On 16/03/24 01:47, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>> ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>>>> I'm bored of being afraid
>>>
>>> |The normal constructions are with "with" or with "by": "they
>>> |were bored with being left alone in the country"; "he became
>>> |bored with Patrick"; "they were bored by the party political
>>> |broadcasts before the general election."
>>> |
>>> |A regrettable tendency has emerged in recent years, esp. in
>>> |non-standard English in Britain and abroad, to construe the
>>> |verb with "of".
>>> |
>>> Burchfield 1998
>>
>> Somewhere in my bookcases there is a book with the title "Bored of the
>> Rings".

National Lampoon once had a parody of /Reader's Digest/, and the entry
for /Lord of the Rings/ was:

Two guys go on vacation and throw a ring onto a volcano.

> 'Bored of the Rings' is quite short, as I recall. It bored me and I
> abandoned it, though I've read 'LotR' from end to end more than once
> (though it too has its longueurs, IMHO).
>
> 'Bored of' is quite recent:
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=bored+with+this%2Cbored+by+this%2Cbored+of+this&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>

--
"A word that contains all six vowels? Do you want those vowels
to appear in alphabetical order?" asked Tom facetiously.

On Sat, 16 Mar 2024, at 03:53:04, Snidely posted:
>Thus spake Athel Cornish-Bowden:
>> On 2024-03-15 10:44:37 +0000, Paul Carmichael said:
>>
>>> El Fri, 15 Mar 2024 09:21:57 +0100, Athel Cornish-Bowden escribió:
>>>
>>>> On 2024-03-15 06:42:31 +0000, Hibou said:
>>>>
>>>>> Le 14/03/2024 à 20:19, Sam Plusnet a écrit :
>>>>>> On 14-Mar-24 15:03, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>>>>> On 2024-03-14 14:34:52 +0000, jerryfriedman said:
>>>>>>>> And "different to" is characteristically British,
>>> It's what I say.
>>>
>>>>>>> but generally frowned on by British teachers. When I were a lad
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> was very common.
>>>>>> Yes.  I'm bored of this sort of thing.
>>>>> I know you said that deliberately, but Ouch! all the same.
>>>>> I'm puzzled by how much trouble native speakers have with
>>>>>prepositions.
>>>> Not just native speakers. Prepositions are the most difficult
>>>>words to
>>>> translate, because there is rarely a 1:1 correspondence between
>>>> languages. An example is Spanish para/por, which occupy much the same
>>>> semantic space as English for/by, but the diucide it up differently.
>>> Brits really struggle with this. One just has to *know*.
>>> Somebody told a Spanish friend (now dead), that "por" was always
>>>"by" -
>>> "Hecho por mí para mí" - made by me for me.
>>> Then I pointed at the serviette on the bar "Gracias por su visita".
>>
>> Exactly. A better example than I could think up.
>>
>> Incidentally, my "the diucide it up" was a less than obvious typo for
>>"they divide it up".
>
>I thought maybe you had thrown in a translation for "divide".
>
I thought it a novel coinage for the fate of Romeo and Juliet, but the
spelling wasn't quite there. And dual suicide was a bit too far
off-topic for that anyway.
--
Paul W