It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here?

Purcell "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY

dougstaples@gmx.com (LionelEdwards) wrote or quoted:
>It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here?

Me,

|Please write a joke with a pun about a newsgroup playing the
|trumpet for its funeral!

, chatbot,

|Why did the newsgroup decide to play the trumpet at its own
|funeral? Because it wanted to give a final "press release"
|before signing off for good!

.

On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY

What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention. She is a really
interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.

--
Sam Plusnet

Le 20/03/2024 à 15:40, LionelEdwards a écrit :
>
> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY

As long as we don't sound our own trumpet....

Hibou <vpaereru-unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>Le 20/03/2024 à 15:40, LionelEdwards a écrit :
>>It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
>>"Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>As long as we don't sound our own trumpet....

Me,

|Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our
|own trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!

; the chatbot,

|The phrase "As long as we don't sound our own trumpet"
|alludes to the idiom "to blow one's own trumpet," which means
|to boast about one's achievements or abilities. In this
|context, the expression suggests avoiding self-promotion or
|bragging.

; me,

|Could some self-promotion help a Usenet newsgroup with a
|declining number of participant?

; the chatbot,

|Self-promotion in a Usenet newsgroup with a declining number
|of participants could potentially help revitalize the
|community. By promoting the group's activities, discussions,
|and unique features, it may attract new members and re-engage
|existing ones. However, it is essential to balance
|self-promotion with valuable content and genuine interactions
|to maintain the authenticity and integrity of the community.

.

Le 21/03/2024 à 09:00, Stefan Ram a écrit :
> Hibou wrote or quoted:
>>
>> As long as we don't sound our own trumpet....
>
> Me,
>
> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our
> |own trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!
>
> ; the chatbot,
>
> |The phrase "As long as we don't sound our own trumpet"
> |alludes to the idiom "to blow one's own trumpet," which means
> |to boast about one's achievements or abilities. In this
> |context, the expression suggests avoiding self-promotion or
> |bragging.
>
> ; me,
>
> |Could some self-promotion help a Usenet newsgroup with a
> |declining number of participant?
>
> ; the chatbot,
>
> |Self-promotion in a Usenet newsgroup with a declining number
> |of participants could potentially help revitalize the
> |community. By promoting the group's activities, discussions,
> |and unique features, it may attract new members and re-engage
> |existing ones. However, it is essential to balance
> |self-promotion with valuable content and genuine interactions
> |to maintain the authenticity and integrity of the community.
>
> .

What a tiresome polysyllabic style that chatbot has! I don't think I'd
care to read its output at any length (or at all, really).

Perhaps it learnt it from Wikipedia.

Pensée claire, paroles claires.

On 2024-03-21 09:07:50 +0000, Hibou said:

> Le 21/03/2024 à 09:00, Stefan Ram a écrit :
>> Hibou wrote or quoted:
>>>
>>> As long as we don't sound our own trumpet....
>>
>> Me,
>>
>> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our
>> |own trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!
>>
>> ; the chatbot,
>>
>> |The phrase "As long as we don't sound our own trumpet"
>> |alludes to the idiom "to blow one's own trumpet," which means
>> |to boast about one's achievements or abilities. In this
>> |context, the expression suggests avoiding self-promotion or
>> |bragging.
>>
>> ; me,
>>
>> |Could some self-promotion help a Usenet newsgroup with a
>> |declining number of participant?
>>
>> ; the chatbot,
>>
>> |Self-promotion in a Usenet newsgroup with a declining number
>> |of participants could potentially help revitalize the
>> |community. By promoting the group's activities, discussions,
>> |and unique features, it may attract new members and re-engage
>> |existing ones. However, it is essential to balance
>> |self-promotion with valuable content and genuine interactions
>> |to maintain the authenticity and integrity of the community.
>>
>> .
>
> What a tiresome polysyllabic style that chatbot has! I don't think I'd
> care to read its output at any length (or at all, really).

Yes,but has there ever been a useful post about English usage from Stefan Ram?
>
> Perhaps it learnt it from Wikipedia.
>
> Pensée claire, paroles claires.

Absolument.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Le 21/03/2024 à 09:22, Athel Cornish-Bowden a écrit :
> On 2024-03-21 09:07:50 +0000, Hibou said:
>>
>> What a tiresome polysyllabic style that chatbot has! I don't think I'd
>> care to read its output at any length (or at all, really).
>
> Yes,but has there ever been a useful post about English usage from
> Stefan Ram?
>
>> Perhaps it learnt it from Wikipedia.
>>
>> Pensée claire, paroles claires.
>
> Absolument.

.... but then, if it's a large-language model, there is no thought there.

on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
>> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>
> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention. She is a really
> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.

Not familiar with her work. Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?

I've heard Barbara Hannigan. In 2019. At this concert, in fact:

<URL:https://youtu.be/-M76sWQXQ24>

I wasn't able to find an ootweb of her conducting Purcell, but at the
same Festival she led Stavinsky's /Rake's Progress/. I didn't attend
that, but I think I did hear Saturday night with the piece by Grisey
(/Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil/ and folk-based songs, and maybe
the Walton /Facade/ and Terry Riley. Gads, that was aeons ago, warnt
it?

/dps

--
"That’s where I end with this kind of conversation: Language is
crucial, and yet not the answer."
Jonathan Rosa, sociocultural and linguistic anthropologist,
Stanford.,2020

On 21/03/24 20:00, Stefan Ram wrote:

> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our |own
> trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!

The chatbot seems to have missed the once-well-known story about
somebody blowing his own strumpet. But then I couldn't get Google to
find it either. I'm sure I've seen it before on the web, but can't
remember which famous people were involved.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 2024-03-22 01:46:52 +0000, Snidely said:

> on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
>> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
>>> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>>
>> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention. She is a really
>> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.
>
> Not familiar with her work. Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
> just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?
>
> I've heard Barbara Hannigan. In 2019. At this concert, in fact:
>
> <URL:https://youtu.be/-M76sWQXQ24>
>
> I wasn't able to find an ootweb of her conducting Purcell, but at the
> same Festival she led Stavinsky's /Rake's Progress/.

I never managed to get to grips with the Rake's Progress, though I was
obsessively fond of some of Stravinsky's other works -- Petrushka and
the Rite of Spring, of course, but also Les Noces, the Symphony in C
and the Symphony in Three Movements. I saw Stravinsky conduct once in
Berkeley -- not a great conductor as such, but very authentic.

When I was a student I used to listen to Les Noces (Ansermet with la
Suisse Romande) every single day, often twice. After many years I
listened to it again a little while ago, and was surprised that I
remembered virtually every word.

> I didn't attend that, but I think I did hear Saturday night with the
> piece by Grisey (/Quatre chants pour franchir le seuil/ and folk-based
> songs, and maybe the Walton /Facade/ and Terry Riley. Gads, that was
> aeons ago, warnt it?
>
> /dps

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 2024-03-22 05:46:55 +0000, Peter Moylan said:

> On 21/03/24 20:00, Stefan Ram wrote:
>
>> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our |own
>> trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!
>
> The chatbot seems to have missed the once-well-known story about
> somebody blowing his own strumpet. But then I couldn't get Google to
> find it either. I'm sure I've seen it before on the web, but can't
> remember which famous people were involved.

W. S. Gilbert: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/blow+own+trumpet

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 22/03/24 19:25, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-03-22 05:46:55 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
>> On 21/03/24 20:00, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>>> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our |own
>>> trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!
>>
>> The chatbot seems to have missed the once-well-known story about
>> somebody blowing his own strumpet. But then I couldn't get Google to
>> find it either. I'm sure I've seen it before on the web, but can't
>> remember which famous people were involved.
>
> W. S. Gilbert: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/blow+own+trumpet

Thank you. Exactly the example I was trying to find.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 22-Mar-24 1:46, Snidely wrote:
> on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
>> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here?
>>> Purcell "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>>
>> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention.  She is a really
>> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.
>
> Not familiar with her work.  Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
> just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCj5oEAf3WxQkPnXU6WoULsg

Might be a starting point, but she just seems to have the kind of
charisma that really good conductors need.

(When there are performers like Philippe Jaroussky singing, but you find
yourself watching the conductor...)

--
Sam Plusnet

On 22-Mar-24 8:25, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-03-22 05:46:55 +0000, Peter Moylan said:
>
>> On 21/03/24 20:00, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>>> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our |own
>>> trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!
>>
>> The chatbot seems to have missed the once-well-known story about
>> somebody blowing his own strumpet. But then I couldn't  get Google to
>> find it either. I'm sure I've seen it before on the web, but can't
>> remember which famous people were involved.
>
> W. S. Gilbert: https://idioms.thefreedictionary.com/blow+own+trumpet

In another place on Usenet the comment was made that, if (some) women
could be called strumpets, then men really ought to be strombones.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 22-Mar-24 8:15, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-03-22 01:46:52 +0000, Snidely said:
>
>> on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
>>> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>>>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here?
>>>> Purcell "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>>>
>>> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention.  She is a really
>>> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.
>>
>> Not familiar with her work.  Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
>> just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?
>>
>> I've heard Barbara Hannigan.  In 2019.  At this concert, in fact:
>>
>> <URL:https://youtu.be/-M76sWQXQ24>
>>
>> I wasn't able to find an ootweb of her conducting Purcell, but at the
>> same Festival she led Stavinsky's /Rake's Progress/.
>
> I never managed to get to grips with the Rake's Progress, though I was
> obsessively fond of some of Stravinsky's other works -- Petrushka and
> the Rite of Spring, of course, but also Les Noces, the Symphony in C and
> the Symphony in Three Movements. I saw Stravinsky conduct once in
> Berkeley -- not a great conductor as such, but very authentic.
>
> When I was a student I used to listen to Les Noces (Ansermet with la
> Suisse Romande) every single day, often twice. After many years I
> listened to it again a little while ago, and was surprised that I
> remembered virtually every word.

I came across a recording of that on YouTube.
Pianists:
Samuel Barber, Aaron Copland, Lukas Foss, Roger Sessions.
Conducted by the composer.

Not a bad line up.

--
Sam Plusnet

On 2024-03-22 20:31:46 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:

> On 22-Mar-24 8:15, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>> On 2024-03-22 01:46:52 +0000, Snidely said:
>>
>>> on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
>>>> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>>>>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>>>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
>>>>> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>>>>
>>>> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention.  She is a really
>>>> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.
>>>
>>> Not familiar with her work.  Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
>>> just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?
>>>
>>> I've heard Barbara Hannigan.  In 2019.  At this concert, in fact:
>>>
>>> <URL:https://youtu.be/-M76sWQXQ24>
>>>
>>> I wasn't able to find an ootweb of her conducting Purcell, but at the
>>> same Festival she led Stavinsky's /Rake's Progress/.
>>
>> I never managed to get to grips with the Rake's Progress, though I was
>> obsessively fond of some of Stravinsky's other works -- Petrushka and
>> the Rite of Spring, of course, but also Les Noces, the Symphony in C
>> and the Symphony in Three Movements. I saw Stravinsky conduct once in
>> Berkeley -- not a great conductor as such, but very authentic.
>>
>> When I was a student I used to listen to Les Noces (Ansermet with la
>> Suisse Romande) every single day, often twice. After many years I
>> listened to it again a little while ago, and was surprised that I
>> remembered virtually every word.
>
> I came across a recording of that on YouTube.
> Pianists:
> Samuel Barber, Aaron Copland, Lukas Foss, Roger Sessions.
> Conducted by the composer.
>
> Not a bad line up.

I may hvae heard that once, but once was enough. Having always heard it
in Ansermet's recording in French, I found it very strange in English.
It sounded completely wrong to my ears. No doubt the composer thought
it was OK.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Le 22/03/2024 à 05:46, Peter Moylan a écrit :
> On 21/03/24 20:00, Stefan Ram wrote:
>>
>> |Dear Chatbot. Someone wrote, "As long as we don't sound our |own
>> trumpet....". Please find and explain the allusion!
>
> The chatbot seems to have missed the once-well-known story about
> somebody blowing his own strumpet. [...]

Would that be air on a g-string?

Athel Cornish-Bowden blurted out:
> On 2024-03-22 20:31:46 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
>
>> On 22-Mar-24 8:15, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>> On 2024-03-22 01:46:52 +0000, Snidely said:
>>>
>>>> on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
>>>>> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>>>>>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>>>>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
>>>>>> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>>>>>
>>>>> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention.  She is a really
>>>>> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.
>>>>
>>>> Not familiar with her work.  Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
>>>> just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?
>>>>
>>>> I've heard Barbara Hannigan.  In 2019.  At this concert, in fact:
>>>>
>>>> <URL:https://youtu.be/-M76sWQXQ24>
>>>>
>>>> I wasn't able to find an ootweb of her conducting Purcell, but at the
>>>> same Festival she led Stavinsky's /Rake's Progress/.
>>>
>>> I never managed to get to grips with the Rake's Progress, though I was
>>> obsessively fond of some of Stravinsky's other works -- Petrushka and the
>>> Rite of Spring, of course, but also Les Noces, the Symphony in C and the
>>> Symphony in Three Movements. I saw Stravinsky conduct once in Berkeley --
>>> not a great conductor as such, but very authentic.
>>>
>>> When I was a student I used to listen to Les Noces (Ansermet with la
>>> Suisse Romande) every single day, often twice. After many years I listened
>>> to it again a little while ago, and was surprised that I remembered
>>> virtually every word.
>>
>> I came across a recording of that on YouTube.
>> Pianists:
>> Samuel Barber, Aaron Copland, Lukas Foss, Roger Sessions.
>> Conducted by the composer.
>>
>> Not a bad line up.
>
> I may hvae heard that once, but once was enough. Having always heard it in
> Ansermet's recording in French, I found it very strange in English. It
> sounded completely wrong to my ears. No doubt the composer thought it was OK.

What about the Russian version?

-d

--
"Inviting people to laugh with you while you are laughing at yourself
is a good thing to do, You may be a fool but you're the fool in
charge." -- Carl Reiner

On 2024-03-23 11:01:58 +0000, Snidely said:

> Athel Cornish-Bowden blurted out:
>> On 2024-03-22 20:31:46 +0000, Sam Plusnet said:
>>
>>> On 22-Mar-24 8:15, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>>> On 2024-03-22 01:46:52 +0000, Snidely said:
>>>>
>>>>> on 3/20/2024, Sam Plusnet supposed :
>>>>>> On 20-Mar-24 15:40, LionelEdwards wrote:
>>>>>>> It is too soon to bring the curtain down on aue. If you had to
>>>>>>> however, what would be your choice? I hope Owain is still here? Purcell
>>>>>>> "Sound the trumpet" Philippe Jaroussky?
>>>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tQxTkTw4cCY
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a pity Emmanuelle Haim doesn't get a mention.  She is a really
>>>>>> interesting conductor and (I imagine) fun to work with.
>>>>>
>>>>> Not familiar with her work.  Do you have a link to a favorite, or do I
>>>>> just dive in to search results and hope I don't drown?
>>>>>
>>>>> I've heard Barbara Hannigan.  In 2019.  At this concert, in fact:
>>>>>
>>>>> <URL:https://youtu.be/-M76sWQXQ24>
>>>>>
>>>>> I wasn't able to find an ootweb of her conducting Purcell, but at the
>>>>> same Festival she led Stavinsky's /Rake's Progress/.
>>>>
>>>> I never managed to get to grips with the Rake's Progress, though I was
>>>> obsessively fond of some of Stravinsky's other works -- Petrushka and
>>>> the Rite of Spring, of course, but also Les Noces, the Symphony in C
>>>> and the Symphony in Three Movements. I saw Stravinsky conduct once in
>>>> Berkeley -- not a great conductor as such, but very authentic.
>>>>
>>>> When I was a student I used to listen to Les Noces (Ansermet with la
>>>> Suisse Romande) every single day, often twice. After many years I
>>>> listened to it again a little while ago, and was surprised that I
>>>> remembered virtually every word.
>>>
>>> I came across a recording of that on YouTube.
>>> Pianists:
>>> Samuel Barber, Aaron Copland, Lukas Foss, Roger Sessions.
>>> Conducted by the composer.
>>>
>>> Not a bad line up.
>>
>> I may hvae heard that once, but once was enough. Having always heard it
>> in Ansermet's recording in French, I found it very strange in English.
>> It sounded completely wrong to my ears. No doubt the composer thought
>> it was OK.
>
> What about the Russian version?

I think I heard it once, but I don't have a strong recollection.
Anyway, one can hardly criticize the original version (Stravinsky was
still Russian when he composed it).

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.