Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
"site" in connections with Usenet?

I keep reading about Usenet "sites" especially in older documentation,
but nobody ever bothers to define it. And of course searching for it by
now only gives information about websites.

On 2024-03-21 13:47:21 +0000, kyonshi said:

> Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
> "site" in connections with Usenet?
>
> I keep reading about Usenet "sites" especially in older documentation,
> but nobody ever bothers to define it. And of course searching for it by
> now only gives information about websites.

Can you give an example of where you have come across this? Otherwise I
can only guess what it might mean.

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in England until 1987.

kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
> "site" in connections with Usenet?
>
> I keep reading about Usenet "sites" especially in older documentation,
> but nobody ever bothers to define it. And of course searching for it by
> now only gives information about websites.
>

I think it refers to News Service Providers (NSPs) and their
newsservers.

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kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
>"site" in connections with Usenet?

In Usenet, a "site" is a newsserver that can connect to
Usenet. A site gains access to Usenet by finding another site
on Usenet with which it can connect and exchange news articles.

In more general terms, a "site" is any network computer,
often associated with a location or organization in this sense.

You must have been here before, since a "kyonshi" is a kind of
reanimated corpse.

On 3/21/2024 3:04 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>> Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
>> "site" in connections with Usenet?
>
> In Usenet, a "site" is a newsserver that can connect to
> Usenet. A site gains access to Usenet by finding another site
> on Usenet with which it can connect and exchange news articles.
>
> In more general terms, a "site" is any network computer,
> often associated with a location or organization in this sense.
>
> You must have been here before, since a "kyonshi" is a kind of
> reanimated corpse.

Ok, so it's a newsserver. From my reading I was wondering if it was
either that or a newsgroup. Unfortunately it's thrown around rather
often without clarification.

I did name myself that after watching Mr. Vampire, needing a new
username on reddit, and finding the name Jiangshu. I found Kyonshi as a
Japanese translation of that.

Unfortunately it turns out that some anime character has been called
like that lately, so I guess people now assume I am totally into that.

On 3/21/2024 2:49 PM, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-03-21 13:47:21 +0000, kyonshi said:
>
>> Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
>> "site" in connections with Usenet?
>>
>> I keep reading about Usenet "sites" especially in older documentation,
>> but nobody ever bothers to define it. And of course searching for it
>> by now only gives information about websites.
>
> Can you give an example of where you have come across this? Otherwise I
> can only guess what it might mean.
>

ctlinnd for INN has this in it's help:
begin site Start newly-added site
drop site Stop feeding site

etc.

from the context I was not sure if this is supposed to be a server or a
group.

On 3/21/2024 9:55 PM, kyonshi wrote:
> On 3/21/2024 3:04 PM, Stefan Ram wrote:
>> kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>>> Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
>>> "site" in connections with Usenet?
>>
>>    In Usenet, a "site" is a newsserver that can connect to
>>    Usenet. A site gains access to Usenet by finding another site
>>    on Usenet with which it can connect and exchange news articles.
>>
>>    In more general terms, a "site" is any network computer,
>>    often associated with a location or organization in this sense.
>>
>>    You must have been here before, since a "kyonshi" is a kind of
>>    reanimated corpse.
>
> Ok, so it's a newsserver. From my reading I was wondering if it was
> either that or a newsgroup. Unfortunately it's thrown around rather
> often without clarification.
>
> I did name myself that after watching Mr. Vampire, needing a new
> username on reddit, and finding the name Jiangshu. I found Kyonshi as a
> Japanese translation of that.

Argh... "...finding the name Jiangshi taken."

I need to sleep.

>
> Unfortunately it turns out that some anime character has been called
> like that lately, so I guess people now assume I am totally into that.

On 21 Mar 2024 14:04:58 GMT, ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram)
wrote:

>kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>>Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
>>"site" in connections with Usenet?
>
> In Usenet, a "site" is a newsserver that can connect to
> Usenet. A site gains access to Usenet by finding another site
> on Usenet with which it can connect and exchange news articles.
>
> In more general terms, a "site" is any network computer,
> often associated with a location or organization in this sense.
>
> You must have been here before, since a "kyonshi" is a kind of
> reanimated corpse.

A "site" is a location. The location, in regard to Usenet, could be
the news server, the news reader host, the thread, or the message
depending on context.

In article <uthdp9$27t2p$1@dont-email.me>, kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote:
>Ok, I am asking this embarrassingly late, but how do you use the word
>"site" in connections with Usenet?
>
>I keep reading about Usenet "sites" especially in older documentation,
>but nobody ever bothers to define it. And of course searching for it by
>now only gives information about websites.

Historically, Usenet was operated by universities and companies
involved in the Unix operating system, and interconnected by telephone
calls done late at night when long-distance rates were lowest. "Site"
is used in the exact same sense, a physical location of a business or
institution (most notably, the American Telephone and Telegraph
Company, which had research and engineering facilities in
Indianapolis, Columbus, Murray Hill, Holmdel, and several other
places. The software needs to distinguish between articles that are
being sent to Indianapolis (ihnp4) or Murray Hill (mhuxu) or Holmdel
(research), or for that matter the Center for Seismic Studies (seismo)
or Digital Equipment Corporation Western Research Laboratory (decwrl).

Today these traditional Unix hostnames have been replaced with
hierarchical Internet domain names, but Usenet predates the Domain
Name System, and was originally layered on top of the even older
Unix-to-Unix Copy Program (uucp), so it couldn't depend on domain
names -- and in fact, most of the early Usenet hosts weren't able or
even eligible to be connected to what was then still the US Department
of Defense's experimental data network, the ARPANET.

-GAWollman

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Garrett Wollman:
> Historically, Usenet was operated by universities and companies
> involved in the Unix operating system, and interconnected by telephone
> calls done late at night...

> The software needs to distinguish between articles that are
> being sent to Indianapolis (ihnp4) or...

Indian Hill, Naperville, Illinois. ihnp4 was Indian Hill Network Processor 4.
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