Definitions?

I was browsing the shelf of music videos last week when I
was surprised to see a DVD of Swan Lake -- a recorded-for-TV
production of a ballet, with music throughout.

Well, I guess it was more likely to find a buyer under Music
Videos than under Movies. I bought it.

And I started questioning my mental category of Music Videos.

MTV puts on Music Videos which are productions built around
single songs. These are always somewhat elaborate -- the
most simple have a lot of dancers, etc., as a visual treat, but
a lot of them have odd costumes, fantasy characters, CGI
effects, what-have-you.

I own a few collections of those in my own Music Video library,
but I have more that show the artist or group performing
on stage, before microphones, with little or no elaboration
beyond the singers or guitarists taking a few dance steps across
the stage. Maybe I should call those (think of those) as 'recorded
stage performances' rather than Music Videos. The ones I like
best among these often include some 'making-of' documentary.

But recently I watched Taylor Swift's (2010) Journey to Fearless,
which takes 'stage performance' to an extreme. Dancers,
costumes, rehearsals for a month, while telling a story (of sorts).
Maybe I can think of it as a recorded pop-opera, in contrast
to recorded rock-opera (Jesus Christ, Super Star).

And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
compress that to one short description.

Anyway - henceforth, I will be more thoughtful and precise
and probably never stop with saying, simply, Music Video.

--
Rich Ulrich

Rich Ulrich noted that:
> Definitions?
>
> I was browsing the shelf of music videos last week when I
> was surprised to see a DVD of Swan Lake -- a recorded-for-TV
> production of a ballet, with music throughout.
>
> Well, I guess it was more likely to find a buyer under Music
> Videos than under Movies. I bought it.
>
> And I started questioning my mental category of Music Videos.
>
> MTV puts on Music Videos which are productions built around
> single songs. These are always somewhat elaborate -- the
> most simple have a lot of dancers, etc., as a visual treat, but
> a lot of them have odd costumes, fantasy characters, CGI
> effects, what-have-you.
>
> I own a few collections of those in my own Music Video library,
> but I have more that show the artist or group performing
> on stage, before microphones, with little or no elaboration
> beyond the singers or guitarists taking a few dance steps across
> the stage. Maybe I should call those (think of those) as 'recorded
> stage performances' rather than Music Videos. The ones I like
> best among these often include some 'making-of' documentary.
>
> But recently I watched Taylor Swift's (2010) Journey to Fearless,
> which takes 'stage performance' to an extreme. Dancers,
> costumes, rehearsals for a month, while telling a story (of sorts).
> Maybe I can think of it as a recorded pop-opera, in contrast
> to recorded rock-opera (Jesus Christ, Super Star).
>
> And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
> elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
> various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
> costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
> adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
> style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
> compress that to one short description.
>
> Anyway - henceforth, I will be more thoughtful and precise
> and probably never stop with saying, simply, Music Video.

Hey, I've seen B&W TV footage from variety shows labeled as "Music
Videos" (Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney, and friends)

Tommy Dorsey and Big Bands are likely to show up in clips from movies,
and these too get labelled "Music Videos" in some sources.

/dps

--
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does for Arnold Lund in California or Richard Rothman in Baltimore, are
the questions -- old and new, good and bad -- this newest tool lets us
ask. (R. Lerhman, CSMonitor.com)

I heard a half-remembered clip today, and the first place
to search for such obscure memories is in music videos.

This piano-playing is much slated but I love it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyYC9qRlJxY

LionelEdwards wrote:

> This piano-playing is much slated but I love it:

What does "slated" mean here?

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyYC9qRlJxY

Very nice.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 19:25:28 +0000
dougstaples@gmx.com (LionelEdwards) wrote:

> I heard a half-remembered clip today, and the first place
> to search for such obscure memories is in music videos.
>
> This piano-playing is much slated but I love it:
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyYC9qRlJxY

Lionel (or may I call you doug?); I thought you were going to post a clip
one of Les Dawson's piano masterclasses.

https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=les+dawson+piano

--
Bah, and indeed Humbug.

In article <ktfg0jlcv6bm1j8554ag6rasbm6jucvoit@4ax.com>,
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

>And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
>elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
>various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
>costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
>adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
>style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
>compress that to one short description.

Note that it is not all that unusual for "live" audio recordings to
have similar levels of production trickery involved; what may sound
like a seamless segue might actually be an assemblage of muiltiple
recordings chosen for effect, with audience sounds (that might have
been taken from yet another recording) being used to "blur" the
transition. And of course the "live" recording will have been remixed
relative to what the audience actually heard at the venue.

-GAWollman

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On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 12:00:43 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Rich Ulrich noted that:
>> Definitions?
>>
>> I was browsing the shelf of music videos last week when I
>> was surprised to see a DVD of Swan Lake -- a recorded-for-TV
>> production of a ballet, with music throughout.
>>
>> Well, I guess it was more likely to find a buyer under Music
>> Videos than under Movies. I bought it.
>>
>> And I started questioning my mental category of Music Videos.
>>
>> MTV puts on Music Videos which are productions built around
>> single songs. These are always somewhat elaborate -- the
>> most simple have a lot of dancers, etc., as a visual treat, but
>> a lot of them have odd costumes, fantasy characters, CGI
>> effects, what-have-you.
>>
>> I own a few collections of those in my own Music Video library,
>> but I have more that show the artist or group performing
>> on stage, before microphones, with little or no elaboration
>> beyond the singers or guitarists taking a few dance steps across
>> the stage. Maybe I should call those (think of those) as 'recorded
>> stage performances' rather than Music Videos. The ones I like
>> best among these often include some 'making-of' documentary.
>>
>> But recently I watched Taylor Swift's (2010) Journey to Fearless,
>> which takes 'stage performance' to an extreme. Dancers,
>> costumes, rehearsals for a month, while telling a story (of sorts).
>> Maybe I can think of it as a recorded pop-opera, in contrast
>> to recorded rock-opera (Jesus Christ, Super Star).
>>
>> And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
>> elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
>> various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
>> costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
>> adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
>> style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
>> compress that to one short description.
>>
>> Anyway - henceforth, I will be more thoughtful and precise
>> and probably never stop with saying, simply, Music Video.
>
>Hey, I've seen B&W TV footage from variety shows labeled as "Music
>Videos" (Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney, and friends)

One of my favorite Music Videos is The Mamas and the Papas,
with the music mostly from TV appearances on variety shows.
They existed as a group for only a couple of years, probably
recorded on film rather than videotape. It also is a documentary/
bio-pic, with interviews done years later (for a TV documentary, I
think).

Another source of film for the documentary aspect, for this
one and others, are the films that their families shot, like, kids
at play or on vacation or holiday.

>
>Tommy Dorsey and Big Bands are likely to show up in clips from movies,
>and these too get labelled "Music Videos" in some sources.
>
I've got some of those, too.

--
Rich Ulrich

On Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:37:21 -0000 (UTC),
wollman@hergotha.csail.mit.edu (Garrett Wollman) wrote:

>In article <ktfg0jlcv6bm1j8554ag6rasbm6jucvoit@4ax.com>,
>Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>>And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
>>elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
>>various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
>>costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
>>adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
>>style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
>>compress that to one short description.
>
>Note that it is not all that unusual for "live" audio recordings to
>have similar levels of production trickery involved; what may sound
>like a seamless segue might actually be an assemblage of muiltiple
>recordings chosen for effect, with audience sounds (that might have
>been taken from yet another recording) being used to "blur" the
>transition. And of course the "live" recording will have been remixed
>relative to what the audience actually heard at the venue.
>

Okay, sure, I've been aware of that but I wasn't thinking of it.

And then, there used to be 'live' performances on variety shows
where the music was pre-recorded, from the release or other,
and the musicians lip-synced. -- There was some to-do about
a not-quite-live performance, oh [Google]-

On July 21, 1989, Milli Vanilli, a popular pop music duo in the
prime of their career, was caught lip-syncing during their
performance at Lake Compounce in Bristol, Connecticut. This incident
became highly publicized and is often referred to as the "Milli
Vanilli lip-sync scandal."

--
Rich Ulrich

Sat, 30 Mar 2024 22:01:25 +0100: Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> scribeva:

>LionelEdwards wrote:
>
>> This piano-playing is much slated but I love it:
>
>What does "slated" mean here?

Severy criticized?
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/slated
https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/slate

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyYC9qRlJxY

So do I. Love it, that is.

>Very nice.

On 30 Mar 2024, Garrett Wollman wrote

> In article <ktfg0jlcv6bm1j8554ag6rasbm6jucvoit@4ax.com>,
> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
>> elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
>> various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
>> costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
>> adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
>> style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
>> compress that to one short description.
>
> Note that it is not all that unusual for "live" audio recordings
> to have similar levels of production trickery involved; what may
> sound like a seamless segue might actually be an assemblage of
> muiltiple recordings chosen for effect, with audience sounds (that
> might have been taken from yet another recording) being used to
> "blur" the transition. And of course the "live" recording will
> have been remixed relative to what the audience actually heard at
> the venue.

I assume that's why an unmixed, unedited programme or performance is
known as "live on tape" -- to distinguish it from "live".

--
Cheers, Harvey

Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

> LionelEdwards wrote:

>> This piano-playing is much slated but I love it:

> What does "slated" mean here?

>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyYC9qRlJxY

> Very nice.

"Slated" in the sense of being disparaged, not treated as if it was
serious. Chuck Berry and the twist anybody? Luckily for us we have
"music videos" to refer to:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSLMN6g_Od4

On 30-Mar-24 19:00, Snidely wrote:

> Hey, I've seen B&W TV footage from variety shows labeled as "Music
> Videos"  (Nat King Cole, Rosemary Clooney, and friends)
>
> Tommy Dorsey and Big Bands are likely to show up in clips from movies,
> and these too get labelled "Music Videos" in some sources.

Retrospective genre labelling. People do the same with the earliest
roots of Rock & Roll, or 'The Novel' or...

--
Sam Plusnet

Garrett Wollman wrote:

> In article <ktfg0jlcv6bm1j8554ag6rasbm6jucvoit@4ax.com>,
> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

>>And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
>>elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
>>various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
>>costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
>>adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
>>style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
>>compress that to one short description.

> Note that it is not all that unusual for "live" audio recordings to
> have similar levels of production trickery involved; what may sound
> like a seamless segue might actually be an assemblage of muiltiple
> recordings chosen for effect, with audience sounds (that might have
> been taken from yet another recording) being used to "blur" the
> transition. And of course the "live" recording will have been remixed
> relative to what the audience actually heard at the venue.

That reminded me of the liner note on Peter Gabriel's /Plays Live/
album (1983).

"Although this album was compiled from four concerts in the mid-West
of the United States, some additional recording took place not a
thousand miles away from the home of the artiste. The generic term
for this process is 'cheating'. Care has been taken to keep the essence
of the gigs intact, including 'human imperfection'."

https://www.discogs.com/release/1989674-Peter-Gabriel-Plays-Live

(I found it with "artiste" and with "artist", but I remember it with
"artiste".)

--
Jerry Friedman

jerryfriedman wrote:

> Garrett Wollman wrote:

>> In article <ktfg0jlcv6bm1j8554ag6rasbm6jucvoit@4ax.com>,
>> Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:

>>>And Madonna's Rebel Heart Tour (2016) not only was
>>>elaborate, but the DVD cut between multiple concerts in
>>>various cities, sometimes in the middle of songs, with varying
>>>costumes. Then the video spend time in post-production,
>>>adding effects -- so the DVD approached the Music Video
>>>style, with concerts as raw material. I don't know how to
>>>compress that to one short description.

>> Note that it is not all that unusual for "live" audio recordings to
>> have similar levels of production trickery involved; what may sound
>> like a seamless segue might actually be an assemblage of muiltiple
>> recordings chosen for effect, with audience sounds (that might have
>> been taken from yet another recording) being used to "blur" the
>> transition. And of course the "live" recording will have been remixed
>> relative to what the audience actually heard at the venue.

> That reminded me of the liner note on Peter Gabriel's /Plays Live/
> album (1983).

> "Although this album was compiled from four concerts in the mid-West
> of the United States, some additional recording took place not a
> thousand miles away from the home of the artiste. The generic term
> for this process is 'cheating'. Care has been taken to keep the essence
> of the gigs intact, including 'human imperfection'."

> https://www.discogs.com/release/1989674-Peter-Gabriel-Plays-Live

> (I found it with "artiste" and with "artist", but I remember it with
> "artiste".)

His best know song features this artiste:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc

jerryfriedman wrote:

> "Although this album was compiled from four concerts in the mid-West
> of the United States, some additional recording took place not a
> thousand miles away from the home of the artiste. The generic term
> for this process is 'cheating'. Care has been taken to keep the essence
> of the gigs intact, including 'human imperfection'."

I think that I have written about a recording that Frank Zappa made
where the drums were recorded in one country and the bass solo in
another, and they were not from the same melody (number? tune?). But
you didn't discover it if you didn't read the notes on the cover.

I don't call that cheating. An artist can combine whatever he likes if
he is satisfied with the result, and Frank Zappa was not trying to make
up for a bad/sloppy performance. He just wanted to combine two musical
elements.

--
Bertel, Denmark

On Sun, 31 Mar 2024 22:40:53 +0200, Bertel Lund Hansen
<gadekryds@lundhansen.dk> wrote:

>jerryfriedman wrote:
>
>> "Although this album was compiled from four concerts in the mid-West
>> of the United States, some additional recording took place not a
>> thousand miles away from the home of the artiste. The generic term
>> for this process is 'cheating'. Care has been taken to keep the essence
>> of the gigs intact, including 'human imperfection'."
>
>I think that I have written about a recording that Frank Zappa made
>where the drums were recorded in one country and the bass solo in
>another, and they were not from the same melody (number? tune?). But
>you didn't discover it if you didn't read the notes on the cover.
>
>I don't call that cheating. An artist can combine whatever he likes if
>he is satisfied with the result, and Frank Zappa was not trying to make
>up for a bad/sloppy performance. He just wanted to combine two musical
>elements.

I am a long-time Zappa fan. I don't remember that description
of editing, but I'm willing to guess that he had conceived two pieces
on the same rhythmic scheme, and was testing (then showing) that
it worked.

As cash-poor college student, I traded two Beatles albums for
the third Mothers of Invention album, and [Google] only the
second rock double-album ever. "We're only in it for the Money"
featured a parody of the Beatles's Sgt. Pepper's cover -- originally
folded to the inside when approval from the Beatles was not
readily obtained.

Zappa's concerts had no fooling around, but he also had some
musical movie projects that wwent beyond filming the stage.

At IMDb:
The great Frank Zappa's outrageous psychedelic precursor to today's
music videos features "The Mothers of Invention" wreaking havoc in a
typical American town. Ringo Starr narrates.
and
"Touring makes you crazy", Frank Zappa says, explaining that the
idea for this movie came to him while the Mothers of Invention were
touring. The story, interspersed with performances by the Mothers
and the Royal Symphony Orchestra, is a tale of life on the road. The
band members' main concerns are the search for groupies and the
desire to get paid. —George S. Davis

--
Rich Ulrich

In article <bfjh0jhfk1ufol7cfb08ia68n5cnpqem86@4ax.com>,
Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote:
>and the musicians lip-synced. -- There was some to-do about
>a not-quite-live performance, oh [Google]-
>
> On July 21, 1989, Milli Vanilli, a popular pop music duo in the
> prime of their career, was caught lip-syncing during their
> performance at Lake Compounce in Bristol, Connecticut. This incident
>became highly publicized and is often referred to as the "Milli
> Vanilli lip-sync scandal."

Please forgive my language, but holy shit. I knew, of course, about
the Milli Vanilli scandal,[1] but I had absolutely no idea that it
broke at Lake Compounce, the amusement park to which *everyone in my
mother's family*[2] went in their youth.

This is nearly on the level of learning that a kid I knew in high
school went on to be a poetry critic at The New Yorker and an English
prof at Wellesley. (Another kid I knew in middle school went to a
fancy boarding school and became a mid-list actor.)

-GAWollman

[1] When my parents bought me a CD boom-box for Christmas in 1989,
they also bought two CDs. One was the original cast album for
"Phantom of the Opera" -- and for some reason known only to them, the
other one was then-current album by Milli Vanilli. Which, you will
observe, was *after* the scandal broke -- and wasn't even the sort of
music I liked.

[2] Except me, of course, because unlike the rest of my cousins, I did
not grow up in central Connecticut, and never saw a major-artist
concert until I moved to Boston in the mid-1990s.
--
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LionelEdwards wrote:

> jerryfriedman wrote:

["live" recordings]

>> That reminded me of the liner note on Peter Gabriel's /Plays Live/
>> album (1983).

>> "Although this album was compiled from four concerts in the mid-West
>> of the United States, some additional recording took place not a
>> thousand miles away from the home of the artiste. The generic term
>> for this process is 'cheating'. Care has been taken to keep the essence
>> of the gigs intact, including 'human imperfection'."

>> https://www.discogs.com/release/1989674-Peter-Gabriel-Plays-Live

>> (I found it with "artiste" and with "artist", but I remember it with
>> "artiste".)

> His best know song features this artiste:

> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VjEq-r2agqc

"Don't Give Up" is his best-known song in Britain? Over here,
where there are more people to know things, "Sledgehammer" is
certainly his best-known. Neither one is on my list of
favorite Peter Gabriel songs, which is easily topped by "Here
Comes the Flood", featuring yet another brilliant British
musician.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AAYxWPJkGoU

If only (Obaue) he sang "sank" instead of "sunk".

--
Jerry Friedman

Rich Ulrich wrote:
...

> And then, there used to be 'live' performances on variety shows
> where the music was pre-recorded, from the release or other,
> and the musicians lip-synced. -- There was some to-do about
> a not-quite-live performance, oh [Google]-

> On July 21, 1989, Milli Vanilli, a popular pop music duo in the
> prime of their career, was caught lip-syncing during their
> performance at Lake Compounce in Bristol, Connecticut. This incident
> became highly publicized and is often referred to as the "Milli
> Vanilli lip-sync scandal."

The scandal there was that the two "singers" had done none of
the singing on the live performances or recordings.

--
Jerry Friedman

Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:

> jerryfriedman wrote:

>> "Although this album was compiled from four concerts in the mid-West
>> of the United States, some additional recording took place not a
>> thousand miles away from the home of the artiste. The generic term
>> for this process is 'cheating'. Care has been taken to keep the essence
>> of the gigs intact, including 'human imperfection'."

> I think that I have written about a recording that Frank Zappa made
> where the drums were recorded in one country and the bass solo in
> another, and they were not from the same melody (number? tune?). But
> you didn't discover it if you didn't read the notes on the cover.

> I don't call that cheating. An artist can combine whatever he likes if
> he is satisfied with the result, and Frank Zappa was not trying to make
> up for a bad/sloppy performance. He just wanted to combine two musical
> elements.

I agree that that's not cheating, but putting studio-recorded material
on a "live" album is.

--
Jerry Friedman

In article <5401e4c5f1fdd5d817f3468783797f7f@www.novabbs.com>,
jerryfriedman <jerry.friedman99@gmail.com> wrote:

>"Don't Give Up" is [Peter Gabriel's] best-known song in Britain?

>Over here, where there are more people to know things, "Sledgehammer"
>is certainly his best-known.

Hmmm, I'm not sure I'd agree with that -- although it's probably true
of my specific birth cohort who were listening to the radio on that
week in 1986 when every current and former member of Genesis had
something on the charts. It's true that "Sledgehammer" charted higher
on the Hot 100, and it had a very memorable music video, but other
Gabriel songs have had greater longevity, especially in other radio
formats, such that if you took the integral over time I suspect you'd
find that "Sledgehammer" is not the most popular in aggregate.

Several years ago he (or his record label, anyway) put out a two-disc
compilation, with one disc of 15 tracks titled "Hit" and the other,
with 14 tracks, titled "Miss". "Miss" included one US hit, "In Your
Eyes". "Hit" included "Solsbury Hill", "Shock the Monkey",
"Sledgehammer", "Don't Give Up", "Games Without Frontiers", "Big
Time", "Digging in the Dirt", "Steam", "Red Rain", and some tracks I
hadn't heard of. I think at least one of the tracks on "Hit" was
actually recorded new for the compilation.

(This fits with Gabriel's tradition of one-word album titles, like
"So", the album that "Red Rain", "Sledgehammer", "Don't Give Up", "In
Your Eyes", and "Big Time" were all on. "Digging in the Dirt" and
"Steam" were both on "Us".)

-GAWollman

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wollman@bimajority.org| act to remove constraint from the future. This is
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Sun, 31 Mar 2024 17:56:14 -0400: Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net>
scribeva:
>As cash-poor college student, I traded two Beatles albums for
>the third Mothers of Invention album, and [Google] only the
>second rock double-album ever. "We're only in it for the Money"
>featured a parody of the Beatles's Sgt. Pepper's cover -- originally
>folded to the inside when approval from the Beatles was not
>readily obtained.

Parodies are free in copyright law, I thought?

jerryfriedman wrote:

>> On July 21, 1989, Milli Vanilli, a popular pop music duo in the
>> prime of their career, was caught lip-syncing during their
>> performance at Lake Compounce in Bristol, Connecticut. This incident
>> became highly publicized and is often referred to as the "Milli
>> Vanilli lip-sync scandal."
>
> The scandal there was that the two "singers" had done none of
> the singing on the live performances or recordings.

And the discovery came because the tape recorder began to play slower
and slower in the middle of the 'performance'.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Rich Ulrich wrote:

> As cash-poor college student, I traded two Beatles albums for
> the third Mothers of Invention album, and [Google] only the
> second rock double-album ever. "We're only in it for the Money"
> featured a parody of the Beatles's Sgt. Pepper's cover -- originally
> folded to the inside when approval from the Beatles was not
> readily obtained.

I enjoy that album very much. I heard it only yesterday driving my car.

--
Bertel, Denmark

Ruud Harmsen wrote:

>>As cash-poor college student, I traded two Beatles albums for
>>the third Mothers of Invention album, and [Google] only the
>>second rock double-album ever. "We're only in it for the Money"
>>featured a parody of the Beatles's Sgt. Pepper's cover -- originally
>>folded to the inside when approval from the Beatles was not
>>readily obtained.
>
> Parodies are free in copyright law, I thought?

"Free" may be too strong, but there wide limits - under Danish law at
least.

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Bertel, Denmark