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* Punctuation of "more readable"Pamela
+* Re: Punctuation of "more readable"Stefan Ram
|`- Re: Punctuation of "more readable"HenHanna
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+* Re: Punctuation of "more readable"lar3ryca
|+- Re: Punctuation of "more readable"Athel Cornish-Bowden
|+* Re: Punctuation of "more readable"Marius_Hancu
||`- Re: Punctuation of "more readable"Marius_Hancu
|`* Re: Punctuation of "more readable"Pamela
| `- Re: Punctuation of "more readable"lar3ryca
`* Re: Punctuation of "more readable"Hibou
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 by: Pamela - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 11:34 UTC

How should the following sentence be punctuated?

"the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"

(1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
archives

(2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
archives

(3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
archives

(4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
archives

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 by: Stefan Ram - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 13:09 UTC

Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>"the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"

Found

|applied to other more durable procedures
medical textbook

|However, other more reasonable space-times that
Hawking

|to substitute other more acceptable phenomena in the
Joyce

using

(\bother\b[ \r\n\t]+.?.?\bmore\b[ \r\n\t-]\b\w+ble\b.?.?[ \r\n\t]+\b\w+\b)

.

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 by: HenHanna - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 17:00 UTC

On 3/29/2024 6:09 AM, Stefan Ram wrote:
> Pamela <pamela.private.mailbox@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>
> Found
>
> |applied to other more durable procedures
> medical textbook
>
> |However, other more reasonable space-times that
> Hawking
>
> |to substitute other more acceptable phenomena in the
> Joyce
>
> using
>
> (\bother\b[ \r\n\t]+.?.?\bmore\b[ \r\n\t-]\b\w+ble\b.?.?[ \r\n\t]+\b\w+\b)
>
> .

what database (?) did you search through in ?

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 by: HenHanna - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 17:02 UTC

On 3/29/2024 4:34 AM, Pamela wrote:
> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>
> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>
>
> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet archives
>
> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet archives
>
> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet archives

-------- not grammatical, or maybe it's ok

>
> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet archives

So i think they may all be ok, including the original.

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 by: lar3ryca - Fri, 29 Mar 2024 20:57 UTC

On 2024-03-29 05:34, Pamela wrote:
> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>
> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>
> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
> archives
>
> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
> archives
>
> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
> archives
>
> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
> archives

The only one that jars me is 2, but since you called it a sentence, is
should start with a 'T'.

--
I sneezed a sneeze into the air.
It fell to earth, I know not where,
But hard and cold were the looks of those.
In whose vicinity I snoze.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Sat, 30 Mar 2024 08:27 UTC

On 2024-03-29 20:57:40 +0000, lar3ryca said:

> On 2024-03-29 05:34, Pamela wrote:
>> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>>
>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>>
>> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
>> archives
>
> The only one that jars me is 2, but since you called it a sentence, is
> should start with a 'T'.

Agree on both points.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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 by: Marius_Hancu - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 14:37 UTC

lar3ryca wrote:

> On 2024-03-29 05:34, Pamela wrote:
>> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>>
>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>>
>> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
>> archives

> The only one that jars me is 2, but since you called it a sentence, is
> should start with a 'T'.

The above discussion seems to be about correctness of punctuation..

Now, what do you people say about the sentences having the same _meaning_?
I, for one, don't think they mean all the same.

The way I see them, 1 and 4 are
restrictive, with the same meaning between them two, while 2 and 3 are
non-restrictive, with a different meaning from 1 and 4, but with the same
meaning between them two.

Best.
--
Marius Hancu

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 by: Marius_Hancu - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 14:55 UTC

Marius_Hancu wrote:

> lar3ryca wrote:

>> On 2024-03-29 05:34, Pamela wrote:
>>> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>>>
>>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>>>
>>> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
>>> archives
>>>
>>> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
>>> archives
>>>
>>> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
>>> archives
>>>
>>> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
>>> archives

>> The only one that jars me is 2, but since you called it a sentence, is
>> should start with a 'T'.

> The above discussion seems to be about correctness of punctuation..

> Now, what do you people say about the sentences having the same _meaning_?
> I, for one, don't think they mean all the same.

> The way I see them, 1 and 4 are
> restrictive, with the same meaning between them two, while 2 and 3 are
> non-restrictive, with a different meaning from 1 and 4, but with the same
> meaning between them two.

I consider the site

Dedicated to the memory of Dr. Charles Darling.

https://www.guidetogrammar.org/grammar/adjectives.htm

one of the best references.

--
Marius Hancu

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 by: Pamela - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 16:48 UTC

On 21:57 29 Mar 2024, lar3ryca said:

> On 2024-03-29 05:34, Pamela wrote:
>> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>>
>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet
>> archives"
>>
>> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
>> archives
>
> The only one that jars me is 2, but since you called it a sentence, is
> should start with a 'T'.

And end with a full stop, no doubt.

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 by: lar3ryca - Sun, 31 Mar 2024 19:46 UTC

On 2024-03-31 10:48, Pamela wrote:
> On 21:57 29 Mar 2024, lar3ryca said:
>
>> On 2024-03-29 05:34, Pamela wrote:
>>> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>>>
>>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet
>>> archives"
>>>
>>> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
>>> archives
>>>
>>> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
>>> archives
>>>
>>> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
>>> archives
>>>
>>> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
>>> archives
>>
>> The only one that jars me is 2, but since you called it a sentence, is
>> should start with a 'T'.
>
> And end with a full stop, no doubt.

Drat! Missed that one.

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Re: Punctuation of "more readable"

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 by: Hibou - Wed, 3 Apr 2024 07:24 UTC

Le 29/03/2024 à 11:34, Pamela a écrit :
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> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>
> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>
> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
> archives
>
> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
> archives
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> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
> archives
>
> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
> archives

I think I'd go with (2) - though I'd also change 'on' to 'in'.

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=in+the+archives_NOUN%2Con+the+archives_NOUN&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

The parentheses in (1) seem too heavy and make 'more readable' a
comment, not a desired characteristic.

(3) does this too.

(4) suggests that the current archive is also more readable - but if
both it and the other ones are more readable, the question is, more
readable than what?

The comma in (2) avoids this. So (2), then.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Wed, 3 Apr 2024 07:46 UTC

On 2024-04-03 07:24:05 +0000, Hibou said:

> Le 29/03/2024 à 11:34, Pamela a écrit :
>>
>> How should the following sentence be punctuated?
>>
>> "the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more readable Usenet archives"
>>
>> (1) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other (more readable) Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (2) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (3) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other, more readable, Usenet
>> archives
>>
>> (4) the discussion doesn't seem to be on other more-readable Usenet
>> archives
>
> I think I'd go with (2)

Interesting: (2) is the one I'd definitely dislike. The others are OK.

> - though I'd also change 'on' to 'in'.
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=in+the+archives_NOUN%2Con+the+archives_NOUN&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>
>
> The parentheses in (1) seem too heavy and make 'more readable' a
> comment, not a desired characteristic.
>
> (3) does this too.
>
> (4) suggests that the current archive is also more readable - but if
> both it and the other ones are more readable, the question is, more
> readable than what?

All these are valid points, but ...
>
> The comma in (2) avoids this. So (2), then.

.... I still don't like (2).

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in England until 1987.

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