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 by: Sam Plusnet - Wed, 3 Apr 2024 18:46 UTC

On 03-Apr-24 11:00, Janet wrote:
> In article <uuj022$3pjjp$2@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>
>> Le 01/04/2024 à 12:33, Janet a écrit :
>>>
>>> Indeed I am trembling. I am totally helpless, an
>>> unprotected potential victim, because "woman" has not been
>>> included in the Hate Bill as a protected characteristic.
>>>
>>> The Scottish Govt is currently debating an Assisted
>>> Dying Bill. Some might consider that the Hate Bill is
>>> yet another SNP attempt at political suicide.
>>
>> The protected characteristics are age, disability, race, religion,
>> gender....
>
> Not quite
>
> . The protected characteristics are
> Age
> Disability
> Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship),
> ethnic or national origins
> Religion or belief
> *Sexual orientation
> *Transgender identity
> *Variations in sex characteristics

On the last one...

Having one large testicle and one small one, is a protected characteristic?

(Asking for a friend, you understand.)

--
Sam Plusnet

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 by: Janet - Wed, 3 Apr 2024 19:58 UTC

In article <tuhPN.491616$yEgf.185857@fx09.iad>,
not@home.com says...
>
> On 03-Apr-24 11:00, Janet wrote:
> > In article <uuj022$3pjjp$2@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
> > unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
> >>
> >> Le 01/04/2024 à 12:33, Janet a écrit :
> >>>
> >>> Indeed I am trembling. I am totally helpless, an
> >>> unprotected potential victim, because "woman" has not been
> >>> included in the Hate Bill as a protected characteristic.
> >>>
> >>> The Scottish Govt is currently debating an Assisted
> >>> Dying Bill. Some might consider that the Hate Bill is
> >>> yet another SNP attempt at political suicide.
> >>
> >> The protected characteristics are age, disability, race, religion,
> >> gender....
> >
> > Not quite
> >
> > . The protected characteristics are
> > Age
> > Disability
> > Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship),
> > ethnic or national origins
> > Religion or belief
> > *Sexual orientation
> > *Transgender identity
> > *Variations in sex characteristics
>
> On the last one...
>
> Having one large testicle and one small one, is a protected characteristic?
>
> (Asking for a friend, you understand.)

"variations in sex characteristics" = intersex, born
with indeterminate sexual anatomy or variant xy
chromosomes.

Janet

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 by: Peter Moylan - Wed, 3 Apr 2024 22:18 UTC

On 04/04/24 05:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 03-Apr-24 11:00, Janet wrote:

>> . The protected characteristics are
>> Age
>> Disability
>> Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship),
>> ethnic or national origins
>> Religion or belief
>> *Sexual orientation
>> *Transgender identity
>> *Variations in sex characteristics
>
> On the last one...
>
> Having one large testicle and one small one, is a protected characteristic?
>
> (Asking for a friend, you understand.)

I think I've met your friend. Would that be Wun Lung Ho?

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

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 by: lar3ryca - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 01:18 UTC

On 2024-04-03 01:48, Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> On 2024-04-03 07:21:38 +0000, Hibou said:
>
>> Le 01/04/2024 à 12:33, Janet a écrit :
>>>
>>> Indeed I am trembling.  I am totally helpless, an
>>> unprotected potential victim, because "woman" has not been
>>> included in the Hate Bill as a protected characteristic.
>>>
>>> The Scottish Govt is currently debating an Assisted
>>> Dying Bill. Some might consider that the Hate Bill is
>>> yet another SNP attempt at political suicide.
>>
>> The protected characteristics are age, disability, race, religion,
>> gender.... Strangely, they've missed an opportunity to protect
>> themselves. They've left out being a politician.
>
> They also left out bottomless stupidity.

That's redundant.

--
I had amnesia once -- or twice

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 by: lar3ryca - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 01:19 UTC

On 2024-04-03 12:46, Sam Plusnet wrote:
> On 03-Apr-24 11:00, Janet wrote:
>> In article <uuj022$3pjjp$2@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
>> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>>
>>> Le 01/04/2024 à 12:33, Janet a écrit :
>>>>
>>>>       Indeed I am trembling.  I am totally helpless, an
>>>> unprotected potential victim, because "woman" has not been
>>>> included in the Hate Bill as a protected characteristic.
>>>>       The Scottish Govt is currently debating an Assisted
>>>> Dying Bill. Some might consider that the Hate Bill is
>>>> yet another SNP attempt at political suicide.
>>>
>>> The protected characteristics are age, disability, race, religion,
>>> gender....
>>
>>   Not quite
>>
>> .  The protected characteristics are
>>      Age
>>      Disability
>>      Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship),
>> ethnic or national origins
>>      Religion or belief
>>      *Sexual orientation
>>      *Transgender identity
>>      *Variations in sex characteristics
>
> On the last one...
>
> Having one large testicle and one small one, is a protected characteristic?
>
> (Asking for a friend, you understand.)

Is it the middle one?

--
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone somewhere may be happy.

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 by: Athel Cornish-Bowden - Thu, 4 Apr 2024 07:52 UTC

On 2024-04-03 19:58:55 +0000, Janet said:

> In article <tuhPN.491616$yEgf.185857@fx09.iad>,
> not@home.com says...
>>
>> On 03-Apr-24 11:00, Janet wrote:
>>> In article <uuj022$3pjjp$2@dont-email.me>, vpaereru-
>>> unmonitored@yahoo.com.invalid says...
>>>>
>>>> Le 01/04/2024 à 12:33, Janet a écrit :
>>>>>
>>>>> Indeed I am trembling. I am totally helpless, an
>>>>> unprotected potential victim, because "woman" has not been
>>>>> included in the Hate Bill as a protected characteristic.
>>>>>
>>>>> The Scottish Govt is currently debating an Assisted
>>>>> Dying Bill. Some might consider that the Hate Bill is
>>>>> yet another SNP attempt at political suicide.
>>>>
>>>> The protected characteristics are age, disability, race, religion,
>>>> gender....
>>>
>>> Not quite
>>>
>>> . The protected characteristics are
>>> Age
>>> Disability
>>> Race, colour, nationality (including citizenship),
>>> ethnic or national origins
>>> Religion or belief
>>> *Sexual orientation
>>> *Transgender identity
>>> *Variations in sex characteristics
>>
>> On the last one...
>>
>> Having one large testicle and one small one, is a protected characteristic?
>>
>> (Asking for a friend, you understand.)
>
> "variations in sex characteristics" = intersex, born
> with indeterminate sexual anatomy or variant xy
> chromosomes.

Genuine intersex babies (about 2% of newborns, so, not a trivial
number) complicate discussions about gender "identification", because
if the doctors etc. can't be sure what the sex of a newborn is it's not
unreasonable that the baby can grow up to choose which sex they want to
have. OK, but the great majority of trans-"women" are not intersex, but
men who want to identify as women.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

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