Well now, you know how we tack on all those little particles
when we're yammerin' in Japanese, don't ya?

Heh, well there's a bit of that goin' on in good ol' English
too! Take for instance, some of them regions down in England
where the young'uns wanna really drive the point home when
they're riled up or tryin' to emphasize somethin':

|Oh my gooood-uh

|Whyyyy-yuh

|Why did you do thaaat-uh

|What the heeeell-uh

|Stop iiiit-uh

|Pleeeease-uh

|Omg shut uuuup-uh

|Give it baaack-uh

|But I need it though-wuh

(I done went and plucked that there list right outta the ol'
World Wide Web, didn't I? Yep, I sure did. Ain't nothin' to it,
really. Just a quick copy-and-paste, and Bob's your uncle!)

Yup, from what the reports tell us, it seems the young lasses in
some parts are also takin' a shine to addin' them little particles
at the end of their sentences, same as the young'uns. Might even
be happenin' in the good ol' US of A, if you can believe it.

Gotta love the way language evolves, don't ya say?

Stefan Ram wrote:

> Well now, you know how we tack on all those little particles
> when we're yammerin' in Japanese, don't ya?

> Heh, well there's a bit of that goin' on in good ol' English
> too! Take for instance, some of them regions down in England
> where the young'uns wanna really drive the point home when
> they're riled up or tryin' to emphasize somethin':

> |Oh my gooood-uh

> |Whyyyy-yuh

> |Why did you do thaaat-uh

> |What the heeeell-uh

> |Stop iiiit-uh

> |Pleeeease-uh

> |Omg shut uuuup-uh

> |Give it baaack-uh

> |But I need it though-wuh

> (I done went and plucked that there list right outta the ol'
> World Wide Web, didn't I? Yep, I sure did. Ain't nothin' to it,
> really. Just a quick copy-and-paste, and Bob's your uncle!)

> Yup, from what the reports tell us, it seems the young lasses in
> some parts are also takin' a shine to addin' them little particles
> at the end of their sentences, same as the young'uns. Might even
> be happenin' in the good ol' US of A, if you can believe it.

> Gotta love the way language evolves, don't ya say?

6 Hours 30 Minutes ago By: Stefan Ram

------------ is he new to AUE?


i think this emphasis is related to:
i did it. --> i did done it.

Do you know some Jp? do you know about Kyara-gobi ?

On 12/04/24 00:08, Stefan Ram wrote:

> Well now, you know how we tack on all those little particles
> when we're yammerin' in Japanese, don't ya?

It seems that some forms of language are more irritating than others.

You're teetering on the edge of the killfile.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 20:45:15 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
wrote:

>
>i think this emphasis is related to:
> i did it. --> i did done it.

The colloquial phrase in Texas is -- "I done did it."

I've never heard -- "I did done it."

--
Rich Ulrich

Rich Ulrich wrote:

> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 20:45:15 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
> wrote:

>>
>>i think this emphasis is related to:
>> i did it. --> i did done it.

> The colloquial phrase in Texas is -- "I done did it."

> I've never heard -- "I did done it."

Google searching shows (only) 2 times as many hits for "I done did it."

i knew someone who'd say he did something,
and i'd tell him i'm skeptical because ............

THEN he'd say: i did done it !

On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 06:04:40 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
wrote:

>Rich Ulrich wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 20:45:15 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
>> wrote:
>
>>>
>>>i think this emphasis is related to:
>>> i did it. --> i did done it.
>
>> The colloquial phrase in Texas is -- "I done did it."
>
>> I've never heard -- "I did done it."
>
>
>
> Google searching shows (only) 2 times as many hits for "I done did it."
>

Curiouser and curiouser. Comments on Google results follow.

Apparently, I probably never heard either during my youth
spent in Texas. Google-ngrams shows very little for either
before 1980. Okay, that is for books and journals. However,
a simple Google search from 1960-1980 shows no hits for either
as provided "in quotes" (the search says) and no hits for did-done
(the search says) with or without quotes.

The full search for each in quotes -- we mostly stopped citing
counts a few years ago because of increasingly random and
misleading numbers -- returns (for me - YMMV) 13,000 for the
did-done version, and 129,000 for done-did. Tenfold.

I confess that as I read the content returned with hits for
did-done, some of them began to sound fairly natural. I did
wonder if Tik-Tok is giving us Chinese contributors.

Google-ngrams showed much variation, owing to small counts
even after 1980. However, my favored version wins for much
of the graph by, like, tenfold again.

--
Rich Ulrich

Rich Ulrich wrote:

>>>>
>>>>i think this emphasis is related to: i did it. --> i did done it.
>>
>>> The colloquial phrase in Texas is -- "I done did it."
>>> I've never heard -- "I did done it."
>>
>>
>>
>> Google searching shows (only) 2 times as many hits for "I done did it."
>>


> Curiouser and curiouser. Comments on Google results follow.


Anyone here handy with a Corpus of spoken English?


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i think ... in "Thai English" -- younger folks often put [la] at the end of a sentence.

for emphasis, for softening the tone, or seeking agreement

so that.... [I did done it!] is like [I did it, la!]

On 13/04/2024 3:37 a.m., Rich Ulrich wrote:
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 06:04:40 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
> wrote:
>
>> Rich Ulrich wrote:
>>
>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 20:45:15 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> i think this emphasis is related to:
>>>> i did it. --> i did done it.
>>
>>> The colloquial phrase in Texas is -- "I done did it."
>>
>>> I've never heard -- "I did done it."
>>
>>
>>
>> Google searching shows (only) 2 times as many hits for "I done did it."
>>
>
>
> Curiouser and curiouser. Comments on Google results follow.
>
> Apparently, I probably never heard either during my youth
> spent in Texas. Google-ngrams shows very little for either
> before 1980. Okay, that is for books and journals. However,
> a simple Google search from 1960-1980 shows no hits for either
> as provided "in quotes" (the search says) and no hits for did-done
> (the search says) with or without quotes.
>
> The full search for each in quotes -- we mostly stopped citing
> counts a few years ago because of increasingly random and
> misleading numbers -- returns (for me - YMMV) 13,000 for the
> did-done version, and 129,000 for done-did. Tenfold.
>
> I confess that as I read the content returned with hits for
> did-done, some of them began to sound fairly natural. I did
> wonder if Tik-Tok is giving us Chinese contributors.
>
> Google-ngrams showed much variation, owing to small counts
> even after 1980. However, my favored version wins for much
> of the graph by, like, tenfold again.
>

I don't think we need any Chinese input. "Done" as a completive or
perfective marker is well known in non-standard AmE, so
I done did it/ I done lost it/ I done took it

The other one is a little trickier to account for. But "done" as past
tense of "do" is also common: I done it.
And if we suppose a dialect in which "did" before the verb is used as a
simple emphatic, then we get I DID done it
(This differs from StdEng, in which emphatic "do" sucks the tense off
the verb it precedes, giving: I DID do it.)

From that, I would expect both "done did" and "did done" to occur, but
in different dialects and with slightly different meanings.

Have you looked to see whether anybody has "did did" or "done done"?

On Sat, 13 Apr 2024 12:24:07 +1200, Ross Clark <benlizro@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:

>On 13/04/2024 3:37 a.m., Rich Ulrich wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Apr 2024 06:04:40 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Rich Ulrich wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 20:45:15 +0000, HenHanna <HenHanna@dev.null>
>>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> i think this emphasis is related to:
>>>>> i did it. --> i did done it.
>>>
>>>> The colloquial phrase in Texas is -- "I done did it."
>>>
>>>> I've never heard -- "I did done it."
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Google searching shows (only) 2 times as many hits for "I done did it."
>>>
>>
>>
>> Curiouser and curiouser. Comments on Google results follow.
>>
>> Apparently, I probably never heard either during my youth
>> spent in Texas. Google-ngrams shows very little for either
>> before 1980. Okay, that is for books and journals. However,
>> a simple Google search from 1960-1980 shows no hits for either
>> as provided "in quotes" (the search says) and no hits for did-done
>> (the search says) with or without quotes.
>>
>> The full search for each in quotes -- we mostly stopped citing
>> counts a few years ago because of increasingly random and
>> misleading numbers -- returns (for me - YMMV) 13,000 for the
>> did-done version, and 129,000 for done-did. Tenfold.
>>
>> I confess that as I read the content returned with hits for
>> did-done, some of them began to sound fairly natural. I did
>> wonder if Tik-Tok is giving us Chinese contributors.
>>
>> Google-ngrams showed much variation, owing to small counts
>> even after 1980. However, my favored version wins for much
>> of the graph by, like, tenfold again.
>>
>
>I don't think we need any Chinese input. "Done" as a completive or
>perfective marker is well known in non-standard AmE, so
> I done did it/ I done lost it/ I done took it
>
>The other one is a little trickier to account for. But "done" as past
>tense of "do" is also common: I done it.
>And if we suppose a dialect in which "did" before the verb is used as a
>simple emphatic, then we get I DID done it
>(This differs from StdEng, in which emphatic "do" sucks the tense off
>the verb it precedes, giving: I DID do it.)
>
> From that, I would expect both "done did" and "did done" to occur, but
>in different dialects and with slightly different meanings.
>
>Have you looked to see whether anybody has "did did" or "done done"?

Done-done has a higher curve from 1890 to 1980. I've heard
it, so I don't have a problem with it. And a song lyric pops into
my mind, "See what you done done..."

"Did-did" exists on the ngram rather like done-did until the
latter accelerates in 1980. However, the first five 20th C.
books listed all feature a mis-parsing -- "...I did. Did it ..."

--
Rich Ulrich