Hello!
https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2015-March/001939.html

|Link local [IPv6 address] was supposed to solve the 'dentist office'
|problem where there is no router.

What is a dentist office problem?

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Le 09/04/2024 à 13:16, Marco Moock a écrit :
> Hello!
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2015-March/001939.html
>
> |Link local [IPv6 address] was supposed to solve the 'dentist office'
> |problem where there is no router.
>
> What is a dentist office problem?

In that context, I'm not sure.

'Dentist office problem' seems to be used to mean that if one records
the English spoken in a dental surgery, it will be skewed towards
filling and drilling, golf handicaps, the price of yacht moorings, and
the inadequacy of NHS fees, and won't therefore reflect English usage in
general.

"Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".

This was filmed inside a dentist's surgery and highlights
a few of the problems:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9nqB8BwGHU

On 4/9/2024 2:56 PM, Hibou wrote:
> Le 09/04/2024 à 13:16, Marco Moock a écrit :
>> Hello!
>> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2015-March/001939.html
>>
>> |Link local [IPv6 address] was supposed to solve the 'dentist office'
>> |problem where there is no router.
>>
>> What is a dentist office problem?
>
> In that context, I'm not sure.
>
> 'Dentist office problem' seems to be used to mean that if one records
> the English spoken in a dental surgery, it will be skewed towards
> filling and drilling, golf handicaps, the price of yacht moorings, and
> the inadequacy of NHS fees, and won't therefore reflect English usage in
> general.
>

see here
https://conferences.sigcomm.org/sigcomm/2007/ipv6/1569042755.pdf

"IPv6 also tries to satisfy another, and diametrically oppos-
ing goal, which is convenience, as embodied in the now fa-
mous “Dentist’s Office” problem. *The idea behind the “Den-
tist’s Office” problem is that a small office should be capable
of setting up their systems on a network, with little or no
networking knowledge*."

LionelEdwards wrote:

> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
...

For a significant minority of English speakers.

--
Jerry Friedman

Marco Moock wrote:

> Hello!
> https://www.ripe.net/ripe/mail/archives/ripe-atlas/2015-March/001939.html

> |Link local [IPv6 address] was supposed to solve the 'dentist office'
> |problem where there is no router.

> What is a dentist office problem?

Google finds only three hits, including

https://disco.ethz.ch/courses/fs18/ti2/exercises/processes_concurrency_ex_solution.pdf

--
Jerry Friedman

On 2024-04-09 13:42:48 +0000, LionelEdwards said:

> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
> This was filmed inside a dentist's surgery and highlights
> a few of the problems:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G9nqB8BwGHU

In St Petersburg a few years ago I was surprised at how many places
were offering Стоматология. Obviously that would be Stomatology in
English, but what the heck was stomatology. Looking it up, I found that
it meant treatment of diseases of the mouth, and I wondered if so many
Russians suffered from diseases of the mouth that they needed
stomatology clinics on every street corner, like pharmacies in France.
Later I realized that it could also mean dentistry. Problem solved.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Le 09/04/2024 à 15:04, jerryfriedman a écrit :
> LionelEdwards wrote:
>>
>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
> ..
>
> For a significant minority of English speakers.

<https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

Hibou wrote:

>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>> ..
>>
>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>
> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>

"dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Le 10/04/2024 à 07:56, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
> Hibou wrote:
> [...]
>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>> ..
>>>
>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>
>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>
> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.

In 2019, it was, yes. I hadn't searched for 'dentist's surgery' or
'dentists' surgery' either, and I expect there are other possibilities
too. They all have to be added together and looked at in more detail to
justify the 'significant minority' assertion.

I disapprove of - j'ai une dent contre - 'dentist office'. I'm fond of
the genitive, and I hate to see eager and willing adjectives - Gi's a
job, sir! - queuing to sign on.

In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>
> Hibou wrote:
>
> >>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
> >> ..
> >>
> >> For a significant minority of English speakers.
> >
> > <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>
> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.

Not in UK English.

Janet

On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:

> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>>
>> Hibou wrote:
>>
>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>
>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>>
>>
>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
>
> Not in UK English.

Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit
around chatting in the dentist's office.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:

> On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:

>> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
>> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>>>
>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>
>>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>>> ..
>>>>>
>>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>>
>>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>>>
>>>
>>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
>>
>> Not in UK English.

> Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
> sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit
> around chatting in the dentist's office.

In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either. That's
done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.

--
Jerry Friedman

Hibou wrote:

> Le 10/04/2024 à 07:56, Bertel Lund Hansen a écrit :
>> Hibou wrote:
>> [...]
>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>> ..
>>>>
>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>
>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>
>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.

> In 2019, it was, yes. I hadn't searched for 'dentist's surgery' or
> 'dentists' surgery' either, and I expect there are other possibilities
> too. They all have to be added together and looked at in more detail to
> justify the 'significant minority' assertion.

That depends on what you think Lionel was asserting. I took
him to mean that "dentist office" (and "dentist's office")
were not correct or acceptable or used or something, which is
not true in the U.S., and I doubt it's true in Canada.

> I disapprove of - j'ai une dent contre - 'dentist office'. I'm fond of
> the genitive, and I hate to see eager and willing adjectives - Gi's a
> job, sir! - queuing to sign on.

One of the gusts of the tempest in the teapot about
eponymous bird names was a claim that they should all lose
their apostrophe-s suffixes, which were ungrammatical in
English and arose from a too-faithful translation of Latin
genitives.

--
Jerry Friedman

On 10-Apr-24 17:33, jerryfriedman wrote:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:
>
>>> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>>>>
>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>>>
>>>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
>>>
>>>    Not in UK English.
>
>> Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
>> sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit
>> around chatting in the dentist's office.
>
> In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either.  That's
> done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.
>
If I get a filling replaced, that seems like a form of minor surgery.

Very minor I grant you, but still...

(A Scale and Polish feels like a bigger deal.)

--
Sam Plusnet

In article <dVARN.41499$hv2.11544@fx14.ams1>,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
>On 10-Apr-24 17:33, jerryfriedman wrote:
>> In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either.  That's
>> done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.

>If I get a filling replaced, that seems like a form of minor surgery.

You would think, but oral (technically "oral and maxillofacial")
surgeons are surgeons with dental and anesthesia training, and
generally the only thing they do to teeth is remove them. I've had
seven teeth extracted (four "wisdom" teeth and three ordinary adult
teeth) and all were done by an oral surgeon. (The wisdom teeth were
all done at the same time, under sedation, when I was a teenager.)
When I had one of the extracted teeth replaced with a prosthetic
dental implant, all of that work was done by my dentist.

(Historically, the artificial root and post might have been done by an
oral surgeon or a periodontist, but my current dentist does this
himself. I delayed getting the implant for more than a decade because
my old dentist did not, and she referred me to a periodontist who I
took an instant dislike to. Luckily, the science of dental
prosthetics also advanced significantly during that time, and I hadn't
lost too much bone. The first time around, I had to go to a hospital
to get a CT scan of my jaw; the second time, my dentist had a
specialized oral CT machine in his office.)

-GAWollman

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jerryfriedman used thar keyboard to writen:
> Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:
>
>>> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>>>>
>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
>>>
>>> Not in UK English.
>
>> Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
>> sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit around
>> chatting in the dentist's office.
>
> In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either. That's
> done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.

Operating room? That's kinda fancy term for a closet with a sink, a
dental chair, and the stand that provides water, drill connections, and
the light. They no longer need an arm on the stand for xrays; they
use a hand-held "speed gun" type of unit. There may not be a closet
door.

I admit that I haven't had to have had a broken jaw repaired, but there
we're getting into the realm of orthopedic surgery, aren't we?

/dps

--
"First thing in the morning, before I have coffee, I read the obits, If
I'm not in it, I'll have breakfast." -- Carl Reiner, to CBS News in
2015.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 16:33:52 +0000, jerry.friedman99@gmail.com
(jerryfriedman) wrote:

>Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>
>> On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:
>
>>> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
>>> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>>>>
>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>
>>>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>>>
>>>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
>>>
>>> Not in UK English.
>
>> Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
>> sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit
>> around chatting in the dentist's office.
>
>In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either. That's
>done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.

That's rather misleading to me. An "operating room" is in the
hospital. Oral surgeons do their thing in their offices. An oral
surgeon's dental facility is little different from an ordinary
dentist's office except that some will have rooms in which the patient
is moved to until they have completely come out of anesthesia.

On Thu, 11 Apr 2024 08:49:40 -0400, Tony Cooper
<tonycooper214@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Wed, 10 Apr 2024 16:33:52 +0000, jerry.friedman99@gmail.com
>(jerryfriedman) wrote:
>
>>Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
>>
>>> On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:
>>
>>>> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
>>>> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
>>>>>
>>>>> Hibou wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
>>>>>>> ..
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
>>>>
>>>> Not in UK English.
>>
>>> Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
>>> sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit
>>> around chatting in the dentist's office.
>>
>>In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either. That's
>>done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.
>
>That's rather misleading to me. An "operating room" is in the
>hospital

Or an Outpatient facility. At least in Florida, there are many
stand-alone facilities with operating rooms. The procedures done in
these are those in which the patient is discharged the same day.

>Oral surgeons do their thing in their offices. An oral
>surgeon's dental facility is little different from an ordinary
>dentist's office except that some will have rooms in which the patient
>is moved to until they have completely come out of anesthesia.

In article <dVARN.41499$hv2.11544@fx14.ams1>,
Sam Plusnet <not@home.com> wrote:
> On 10-Apr-24 17:33, jerryfriedman wrote:
> > Athel Cornish-Bowden wrote:
> >
> >> On 2024-04-10 09:14:31 +0000, Janet said:
> >
> >>> In article <uv5d6g$q8ol$1@dont-email.me>,
> >>> gadekryds@lundhansen.dk says...
> >>>>
> >>>> Hibou wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>>>> "Dental surgery" (as you suggest) or "dental clinic".
> >>>>>> ..
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> For a significant minority of English speakers.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> <https://books.google.com/ngrams/graph?content=dentist+office%2Cdentist%27s+office%2Cdentists%27+office%2Cdental+surgery%2Cdental+clinic&year_start=1800&year_end=2019&corpus=en-2019&smoothing=3>
> >>>>
> >>>> "dental office" is more common than any one of your suggestions.
> >>>
> >>> Not in UK English.
> >
> >> Right. I don't think I've ever heard "dental office". It makes little
> >> sense: people go to a dentist to have their teeth fixed, not to sit
> >> around chatting in the dentist's office.
> >
> > In the U.S., they don't go there to get surgery either. That's
> > done by an oral surgeon in an operating room.
> >
> If I get a filling replaced, that seems like a form of minor surgery.

> Very minor I grant you, but still...

> (A Scale and Polish feels like a bigger deal.)

How about an extraction followed by an implant? I have had that at my
normal destist's surgery - although not my my regular dentist. The
specialist comes there for one day a week.

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