In
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q
the case for the English language being badly pronounced French is explained.
I liked a comment in the comments section, mentioning that French is badly pronounced Latin!

One view of the Ukraine war is that it results from the Ukrainian language being badly pronounced Russian.
After from that, one may puzzle at the reason for the antagonism.

Looks like the little differences are more damaging than the big differences.

That could explain the historical bad relations between the English and the French after 1066. Or the violence between similar sects.

bt

Le 10/04/2024 à 01:58, bertietaylor a écrit :
> In
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q
> the case for the English language being badly pronounced French is
> explained.
> I liked a comment in the comments section, mentioning that French is
> badly pronounced Latin!
>
> One view of the Ukraine war is that it results from the Ukrainian
> language being badly pronounced Russian. After from that, one may puzzle
> at the reason for the antagonism.
>
> Looks like the little differences are more damaging than the big
> differences.
> That could explain the historical bad relations between the English and
> the French after 1066. Or the violence between similar sects.

Dumas père had D'Artagnan say it long before Clemenceau, in 'Vingt ans
après' if memory serves¹. But then, the French are always trying to put
English down.

More and more English words are now appearing in French (top, parking,
tramway, smartphone, looser (loser)...), so French is increasingly
looking like badly pronounced English.

¹Gutenberg doesn't seem to be working properly, so I couldn't verify.

On 2024-04-10 08:04:46 +0000, Hibou said:

> Le 10/04/2024 à 01:58, bertietaylor a écrit :
>> In
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q
>> the case for the English language being badly pronounced French is explained.
>> I liked a comment in the comments section, mentioning that French is
>> badly pronounced Latin!
>>
>> One view of the Ukraine war is that it results from the Ukrainian
>> language being badly pronounced Russian. After from that, one may
>> puzzle at the reason for the antagonism.
>>
>> Looks like the little differences are more damaging than the big differences.
>> That could explain the historical bad relations between the English and
>> the French after 1066. Or the violence between similar sects.
>
> Dumas père had D'Artagnan say it long before Clemenceau, in 'Vingt ans
> après' if memory serves¹. But then, the French are always trying to put
> English down.

Maybe in Paris, the Dordogne, and areas more or less close to England,
but I never encounter any suggestion of that in Marseilles.
>
> More and more English words are now appearing in French (top, parking,
> tramway, smartphone, looser (loser)...), so French is increasingly
> looking like badly pronounced English.
>
> ¹Gutenberg doesn't seem to be working properly, so I couldn't verify.

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On 10/04/2024 at 01:58, bertietaylor wrote:

> That could explain the historical bad relations between the English and
> the French after 1066. Or the violence between similar sects.
>

That's 'cos we owned most of the north of France for years after 1066.
See also Entente Cordiale 1904.

--
Chris Elvidge, England
TEACHER IS NOT A LEPER

bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:

> In
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q
> the case for the English language being badly pronounced French is explained.

True, but only if you say it in French,

Jan

On 10/04/24 20:50, Chris Elvidge wrote:
> On 10/04/2024 at 01:58, bertietaylor wrote:
>
>> That could explain the historical bad relations between the English
>> and the French after 1066. Or the violence between similar sects.
>
> That's 'cos we owned most of the north of France for years after 1066.

Until John Lackland lost it all a century and a half later.

King John was not a good man; he had his little ways.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

On 10 Apr 2024, Chris Elvidge wrote

> On 10/04/2024 at 01:58, bertietaylor wrote:
>
>> That could explain the historical bad relations between the
>> English and the French after 1066. Or the violence between
>> similar sects.
>>
>
> That's 'cos we owned most of the north of France for years after
> 1066. See also Entente Cordiale 1904.

Wasn't the situation more that that Normandy owned England for years
after 1066, rather than t'other way round?

To be consistent, if England owned Normandy after 1066, then for years
after 1603, Scotland owned England.

(Going farther back in time, of course, the Stuarts weren't Scottish,
having moved there from Lancashire...)

On 10/04/2024 at 14:33, HVS wrote:
> On 10 Apr 2024, Chris Elvidge wrote
>
>> On 10/04/2024 at 01:58, bertietaylor wrote:
>>
>>> That could explain the historical bad relations between the
>>> English and the French after 1066. Or the violence between
>>> similar sects.
>>>
>>
>> That's 'cos we owned most of the north of France for years after
>> 1066. See also Entente Cordiale 1904.
>
> Wasn't the situation more that that Normandy owned England for years
> after 1066, rather than t'other way round?
>
> To be consistent, if England owned Normandy after 1066, then for years
> after 1603, Scotland owned England.

As King James of Scotland became (also) King of England, that is true.
But try convincing the Scots. They keep coming over here, nicking our
engineering jobs . . . .

>
> (Going farther back in time, of course, the Stuarts weren't Scottish,
> having moved there from Lancashire...)
>

--
Chris Elvidge, England
I AM NOT HERE ON A FARTBALL SCHOLARSHIP

On 10/04/2024 13:11, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> In
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q
>> the case for the English language being badly pronounced French is explained.
>
> True, but only if you say it in French,
>

<smile> True. But it works the other way around too.

On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, at 14:33:16, HVS posted:
>On 10 Apr 2024, Chris Elvidge wrote
>
>> On 10/04/2024 at 01:58, bertietaylor wrote:
>>
>>> That could explain the historical bad relations between the
>>> English and the French after 1066. Or the violence between
>>> similar sects.
>>>
>>
>> That's 'cos we owned most of the north of France for years after
>> 1066. See also Entente Cordiale 1904.
>
>Wasn't the situation more that that Normandy owned England for years
>after 1066, rather than t'other way round?
>
>To be consistent, if England owned Normandy after 1066, then for years
>after 1603, Scotland owned England.
>
>(Going farther back in time, of course, the Stuarts weren't Scottish,
>having moved there from Lancashire...)
>
Weren't they Welsh? I'm thinking of the Conwy Stuarts...who invented my
first fountain pen.
--
Paul W

On 10/04/2024 23:29, Paul Wolff wrote:
> On Wed, 10 Apr 2024, at 14:33:16, HVS posted:
>> On 10 Apr 2024, Chris Elvidge wrote
>>
>>> On 10/04/2024 at 01:58, bertietaylor wrote:
>>>
>>>> That could explain the historical bad relations between the
>>>> English and the French after 1066. Or the violence between
>>>> similar sects.
>>>>
>>>
>>> That's 'cos we owned most of the north of France for years after
>>> 1066. See also Entente Cordiale 1904.
>>
>> Wasn't the situation more that that Normandy owned England for years
>> after 1066, rather than t'other way round?
>>
>> To be consistent, if England owned Normandy after 1066, then for years
>> after 1603, Scotland owned England.
>>
>> (Going farther back in time, of course, the Stuarts weren't Scottish,
>> having moved there from Lancashire...)
>>
> Weren't they Welsh? I'm thinking of the Conwy Stuarts...who invented my
> first fountain pen.

<snork>

--
Ray
UK

On 11/04/24 03:39, occam wrote:
> On 10/04/2024 13:11, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>> bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q
>>> the case for the English language being badly pronounced French is explained.
>>
>> True, but only if you say it in French,
>>
>
> <smile> True. But it works the other way around too.

I lean towards the theory that modern French is badly pronounced French.
Over the centuries many words lost their endings and syllables became
nasalised. Isn't that all because of sloppy pronunciation?

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Chris Elvidge:
> See also Entente Cordiale 1904.

"Too much entente and far too cordiale", says Lord Rawnsley in the
movie "Those Magnificent Men in Their Flying Machines" (made in 1965,
set in 1910 or so).
--
Mark Brader | "It is only a guess, of course.
msb@vex.net | I hope none of you ever finds out for certain."
Toronto | -- Insp. Grandpierre (Peter Stone, "Charade")

Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:

> On 11/04/24 03:39, occam wrote:
> > On 10/04/2024 13:11, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> >> bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> In
> >>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q the case for the English
> >>> language being badly pronounced French is explained.
> >>
> >> True, but only if you say it in French,
> >>
> >
> > <smile> True. But it works the other way around too.
>
> I lean towards the theory that modern French is badly pronounced French.
> Over the centuries many words lost their endings and syllables became
> nasalised. Isn't that all because of sloppy pronunciation?

Their problem is not having a king,

Jan

On 11-Apr-24 11:36, J. J. Lodder wrote:
> Peter Moylan <peter@pmoylan.org.invalid> wrote:
>
>> On 11/04/24 03:39, occam wrote:
>>> On 10/04/2024 13:11, J. J. Lodder wrote:
>>>> bertietaylor <bertietaylor@myyahoo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In
>>>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TUL29y0vJ8Q the case for the English
>>>>> language being badly pronounced French is explained.
>>>>
>>>> True, but only if you say it in French,
>>>>
>>>
>>> <smile> True. But it works the other way around too.
>>
>> I lean towards the theory that modern French is badly pronounced French.
>> Over the centuries many words lost their endings and syllables became
>> nasalised. Isn't that all because of sloppy pronunciation?
>
> Their problem is not having a king,

They were doing quite well, until both the State and the Head of State
were decapitated with a single blow.

--
Sam Plusnet