I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
his bedroom:

"I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
That's all! What else did you think is happening?"

This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But I
don't know the English word for it. Any help?

Physfitfreak hat am 12.04.2024 um 23:13 geschrieben:
>
>
> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
> his bedroom:
>
> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"

Is there a _single_ word corresponding to that description in any
language you know?

> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians.

Really? Some examples from real life, please?

On 4/12/24 17:05, Silvano wrote:
> Physfitfreak hat am 12.04.2024 um 23:13 geschrieben:
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>> his bedroom:
>>
>> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
>> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
>> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>
> Is there a _single_ word corresponding to that description in any
> language you know?
>
>
>
>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians.
>
> Really? Some examples from real life, please?

Aren't they often obfuscating culprits?

On 4/12/2024 11:13 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
> his bedroom:
>
>  "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>
>
> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But I
> don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>
>
>
>

to charkle
definition: v. addressing a victim following the observation of a crime
being committed against them

Source: me, etymology: came up with it

On 4/13/24 09:05, Kyonshi wrote:
> On 4/12/2024 11:13 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>>
>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>> his bedroom:
>>
>>   "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
>> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
>> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>
>>
>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But
>> I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> to charkle
> definition: v. addressing a victim following the observation of a crime
> being committed against them
>
>
> Source: me, etymology: came up with it

That's not an existing word.

Physfitfreak wrote:

>> to charkle
>> definition: v. addressing a victim following the observation of a crime
>> being committed against them
>>
>> Source: me, etymology: came up with it
>
> That's not an existing word.

That was sort of evident from the message: "came up with it".

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

On 4/13/2024 7:09 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 4/13/24 09:05, Kyonshi wrote:
>> On 4/12/2024 11:13 PM, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>>> his bedroom:
>>>
>>>   "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing
>>> the effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating
>>> body-material. That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>>
>>>
>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians.
>>> But I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>> to charkle
>> definition: v. addressing a victim following the observation of a
>> crime being committed against them
>>
>>
>> Source: me, etymology: came up with it
>
>
> That's not an existing word.

now it is, I have seen it used before. (viz you just quoted it)

Kyonshi <gmkeros@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>now it is, I have seen it used before. (viz you just quoted it)

Web:

|Check sony warranty, they replaced mine after one side
|started to charkle.
..

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On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>
>
> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
> his bedroom:
>
>  "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>
>
> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But I
> don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>
>
>
>

The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of canceling the
victims' concerns.

What a bunch of idiots guys here must be in this language forum. Some of
them well-known idiots too. Bye :)

Physfitfreak <physfitfreak@gmail.com> wrote or quoted:
>The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of canceling the
>victims' concerns.

Also compare with "(emotional) invalidation".

|Emotional invalidation occurs when a person's emotional
|experience is rejected, ignored, or judged, through words or
|actions indicating that their emotions and reactions do not
|make sense for a particular context. It is also considered
|emotional invalidation to attempt to diminish the other
|person's emotions with phrases like "it's not so bad,"
|"you'll be better," or "everything happens for a reason."
Web page "Emotional validation"

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ram@zedat.fu-berlin.de (Stefan Ram) wrote or quoted:
>|Emotional invalidation occurs when a person's emotional

Related:
- minimization (downplaying) (Web page: "Minimisation (psychology)")
- dismissiveness (ignoring)
- emotional neglect
- gaslighting
- emotional abuse

On 24/04/24 05:07, Physfitfreak wrote:
> On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>
>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>> his bedroom:
>>
>> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
>> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
>> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>
>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But
>> I don't know the English word for it. Any help?

> The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of canceling the
> victims' concerns.

Citation needed. I've never encountered this use of the word.

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Tuesday, Peter Moylan quipped:
> On 24/04/24 05:07, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>>> his bedroom:
>>>
>>> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
>>> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
>>> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>>
>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But
>>> I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>
>> The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of canceling the
>> victims' concerns.
>
> Citation needed. I've never encountered this use of the word.

Nor I. Social Media has given rise to "cancel culture", though. Not
the same thing, but I can see a distant similarity.

/dps

--
We’ve learned way more than we wanted to know about the early history
of American professional basketball, like that you could have once
watched a game between teams named the Indianapolis Kautskys and the
Akron Firestone Non-Skids. -- fivethirtyeight.com

On Tue, 23 Apr 2024 17:47:53 -0700, Snidely <snidely.too@gmail.com>
wrote:

>Tuesday, Peter Moylan quipped:
>> On 24/04/24 05:07, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>>>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>>>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>>>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>>>> his bedroom:
>>>>
>>>> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
>>>> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
>>>> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>>>
>>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But
>>>> I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>>
>>> The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of canceling the
>>> victims' concerns.
>>
>> Citation needed. I've never encountered this use of the word.
>
>Nor I. Social Media has given rise to "cancel culture", though. Not
>the same thing, but I can see a distant similarity.

The problem I have with applying any straightforward terms
is that the situation described is ridiculously extreme.

For this, I think I'd go with something more like deadpan humor.

--
Rich Ulrich

On 24/04/24 10:47, Snidely wrote:
> Tuesday, Peter Moylan quipped:
>> On 24/04/24 05:07, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>> On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that
>>>> describes, either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following
>>>> reaction from someone who's observing a crime being committed.
>>>> He is addressing the victim. And the crime is that a burglar is
>>>> stabbing the victim inside his bedroom:
>>>>
>>>> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just
>>>> experiencing the effect of the ability of a sharp object
>>>> penetrating body-material. That's all! What else did you think
>>>> is happening?"
>>>>
>>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the
>>>> politicians. But I don't know the English word for it. Any
>>>> help?
>>
>>> The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of
>>> canceling the victims' concerns.
>>
>> Citation needed. I've never encountered this use of the word.
>
> Nor I. Social Media has given rise to "cancel culture", though. Not
> the same thing, but I can see a distant similarity.

I note that Physfitfreak appeared out of nowhere, posed a question, gave
an answer a little later, and then disappeared. That to me suggests
someone who is trying to get a new meaning of "cancel" adopted to
further some political agenda. We weren't offered any real-life example
of the "often used" technique.

It is possible that this special meaning exists in some insider group.
Perhaps one of the groups who are trying to convince us that genuine
news reports are "fake news".

--
Peter Moylan http://www.pmoylan.org
Newcastle, NSW

Rich Ulrich <rich.ulrich@comcast.net> wrote or quoted:
>The problem I have with applying any straightforward terms
>is that the situation described is ridiculously extreme.

The OP wrote, "I'm looking for a single word in the English
language that describes, either as a verb, or by an adjective,
the following reaction from ...".

What made it tough for me to answer was the way it was worded.
Sayin' "the following reaction" instead of "a reaction like the
following." That made it seem like the reaction he was talkin' about
wasn't just an example of a general type of reaction, but he was
looking for a word that would fit that specific situation to a T.

And the fact that he wanted a single word, not a whole phrase,
and it had to be either a verb or an adjective? That just
made it even more of a challenge, for real.

Newsgroups: alt.usage.english

On 2024-04-24 10:57:27 +0000, Peter Moylan said:

> On 24/04/24 10:47, Snidely wrote:
>> Tuesday, Peter Moylan quipped:
>>> On 24/04/24 05:07, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>> On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that
>>>>> describes, either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following
>>>>> reaction from someone who's observing a crime being committed.
>>>>> He is addressing the victim. And the crime is that a burglar is
>>>>> stabbing the victim inside his bedroom:
>>>>>
>>>>> "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just
>>>>> experiencing the effect of the ability of a sharp object
>>>>> penetrating body-material. That's all! What else did you think
>>>>> is happening?"
>>>>>
>>>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the
>>>>> politicians. But I don't know the English word for it. Any
>>>>> help?
>>>
>>>> The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of
>>>> canceling the victims' concerns.
>>>
>>> Citation needed. I've never encountered this use of the word.
>>
>> Nor I. Social Media has given rise to "cancel culture", though. Not
>> the same thing, but I can see a distant similarity.
>
> I note that Physfitfreak appeared out of nowhere,

If you're interested (probably not) you can find plenty of moronic
posts by Physfitfreak on some of the physics groups. I skip them
without reading them.

> posed a question, gave
> an answer a little later, and then disappeared. That to me suggests
> someone who is trying to get a new meaning of "cancel" adopted to
> further some political agenda. We weren't offered any real-life example
> of the "often used" technique.
>
> It is possible that this special meaning exists in some insider group.
> Perhaps one of the groups who are trying to convince us that genuine
> news reports are "fake news".

--
Athel -- French and British, living in Marseilles for 37 years; mainly
in England until 1987.

On Wed, 24 Apr 2024 20:57:27 +1000, Peter Moylan wrote:

> I note that Physfitfreak appeared out of nowhere, posed a question, gave
> an answer a little later, and then disappeared. That to me suggests
> someone who is trying to get a new meaning of "cancel" adopted to
> further some political agenda.

More like a troll.

--
Cri-Cri

Cri-Cri <cri@cri.cri.invalid> wrote or quoted:
>More like a troll.

Usenet isn't really a big deal these days. If you're trying
to make a real change or whatever, it's probably not worth
your time to be posting here.

Newsgroups: alt.usage.english

On 24-Apr-24 11:57, Peter Moylan wrote:
>
> It is possible that this special meaning exists in some insider group.
> Perhaps one of the groups who are trying to convince us that genuine
> news reports are "fake news".

It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
ears.

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet wrote:

>> It is possible that this special meaning exists in some insider group.
>> Perhaps one of the groups who are trying to convince us that genuine
>> news reports are "fake news".
>
> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
> ears.

.... hanging in free air between two persons.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

On 2024-04-24 12:50, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists in some insider group.
>>> Perhaps one of the groups who are trying to convince us that genuine
>>> news reports are "fake news".
>>
>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>> ears.
>
> ... hanging in free air between two persons.

In this case, it's more like "hanging in free air between one person's ears"

--
Doctor: "You have onomatopoeia"
"What is that?"
"It's exactly what it sounds like."

On 24-Apr-24 19:50, Bertel Lund Hansen wrote:
> Sam Plusnet wrote:
>
>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists in some insider group.
>>> Perhaps one of the groups who are trying to convince us that genuine
>>> news reports are "fake news".
>>
>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>> ears.
>
> ... hanging in free air between two persons.

Interesting...
In the way I intended that phrase, your version wouldn't be 'a pair'.
Two ears - yes.
A pair of ears - no.

--
Sam Plusnet

Sam Plusnet wrote:

>>> It is possible that this special meaning exists only between one pair of
>>> ears.
>>
>> ... hanging in free air between two persons.
>
> Interesting...
> In the way I intended that phrase, your version wouldn't be 'a pair'.

No, I was stretching it a bit.

--
Bertel
Kolt, Denmark

Le 23/04/2024 à 23:37, Peter Moylan a écrit :
> On 24/04/24 05:07, Physfitfreak wrote:
>> On 4/12/24 16:13, Physfitfreak wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm looking for a single word in the English language that describes,
>>> either as a verb, or by an adjective, the following reaction from
>>> someone who's observing a crime being committed. He is addressing the
>>> victim. And the crime is that a burglar is stabbing the victim inside
>>> his bedroom:
>>>
>>>   "I don't understand the fuss you make. You are just experiencing the
>>> effect of the ability of a sharp object penetrating body-material.
>>> That's all! What else did you think is happening?"
>>>
>>> This technique is often used in news media and by the politicians. But
>>> I don't know the English word for it. Any help?
>
>> The word is "canceling." It is a very often used form of canceling the
>> victims' concerns.
>
> Citation needed. I've never encountered this use of the word.

I haven't either.

The closest I can find is the original sense of 'apathy', "/Freedom
from, or insensibility to, suffering/; hence, freedom from, or
insensibility to, passion or feeling; passionless existence" (my
emphasis) - OED, 1603 onwards.

I remain unenthused, though, since the later sense of "indolence of
mind" (1742 onwards) has come to dominate. I suppose one could write the
word a-pathy and pronounce it ape'athy....