At Hack'EM's Black Market I see the typical very high prices.
But this one astonishes me; ~50000 zk for a dragonhide cloak
(and you see another magical cloak for comparison)

b - a dragonhide oilskin cloak (for sale, 49995 zorkmids)
c - a cloak of invisibility (for sale, 1500 zorkmids)

Even a magic lamp (for comparison) is just half of that price

k - a magic lamp (for sale, 25000 zorkmids)

I understand the materials is copied from EvilHack and in the
Wiki I read for dragonhide a "relative cost" of 200. I'm not
sure that high price would solely stem from the material, so
my question is; do I have to expect some (yet unidentified)
magic in that cloak or is that a regular Black Market price?

In case it's normal; this would make wishing for the cloak -
i.e. buying the lamp instead - a more cost effective sensible
alternative? (And these two prices probably not well balanced
against each other; should maybe dragonhide be cheaper or the
magic lamp be made yet more expensive?)

Janis

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 7:48:52 AM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> At Hack'EM's Black Market I see the typical very high prices.
> But this one astonishes me; ~50000 zk for a dragonhide cloak
> (and you see another magical cloak for comparison)
>
> b - a dragonhide oilskin cloak (for sale, 49995 zorkmids)
> c - a cloak of invisibility (for sale, 1500 zorkmids)
>
> Even a magic lamp (for comparison) is just half of that price
>
> k - a magic lamp (for sale, 25000 zorkmids)
>
> I understand the materials is copied from EvilHack and in the
> Wiki I read for dragonhide a "relative cost" of 200. I'm not
> sure that high price would solely stem from the material, so
> my question is; do I have to expect some (yet unidentified)
> magic in that cloak or is that a regular Black Market price?
>
> In case it's normal; this would make wishing for the cloak -
> i.e. buying the lamp instead - a more cost effective sensible
> alternative? (And these two prices probably not well balanced
> against each other; should maybe dragonhide be cheaper or the
> magic lamp be made yet more expensive?)
>
> Janis

My experience is that even plain dragonhide cloaks can have a
purchase price of around 5000zm. It _could_ also have an
unidentified magical property. It is unlikely, and incredibly rare,
but it can happen. So, you can have a dragonhide oilskin cloak of
drain resistance or whatever.

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On 21.05.2023 01:37, RecRanger wrote:
>
> My experience is that even plain dragonhide cloaks can have a
> purchase price of around 5000zm. It _could_ also have an
> unidentified magical property. It is unlikely, and incredibly rare,
> but it can happen. So, you can have a dragonhide oilskin cloak of
> drain resistance or whatever.

Thanks for that information.

To disclose a magic property, would "identify" suffice or do I need
"magic detection" instead?

I not yet know how "magic detection" actually works, blessed or else.

Janis

On Saturday, May 20, 2023 at 7:59:16 PM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 21.05.2023 01:37, RecRanger wrote:
> >
> > My experience is that even plain dragonhide cloaks can have a
> > purchase price of around 5000zm. It _could_ also have an
> > unidentified magical property. It is unlikely, and incredibly rare,
> > but it can happen. So, you can have a dragonhide oilskin cloak of
> > drain resistance or whatever.
> Thanks for that information.
>
> To disclose a magic property, would "identify" suffice or do I need
> "magic detection" instead?
>
> I not yet know how "magic detection" actually works, blessed or else.
>
> Janis

Magic detection, I think, is only for wizards (and maybe other magical
classes?). When you find something magical it is labeled as "magical
leather armor", "magical mithril broadsword", etc., and it only tells you
it is magical — there is no identification as to what the magical
property is. It just help you weed out the junk. Whereas, otherwise,
muggles have to price ID or formal ID (spell or scroll). Not sure if
Hack'EM utilizes shopkeeper services, including ID?

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On 22.05.2023 01:48, RecRanger wrote:
>
> Magic detection, I think, is only for wizards (and maybe other magical
> classes?). When you find something magical it is labeled as "magical
> leather armor", "magical mithril broadsword", etc., and it only tells you
> it is magical — there is no identification as to what the magical
> property is. It just help you weed out the junk. Whereas, otherwise,
> muggles have to price ID or formal ID (spell or scroll). Not sure if
> Hack'EM utilizes shopkeeper services, including ID?

Meanwhile I had tried such a scroll at Sam's Market and it appeared
as if it's more like object detection than object identification
so you'd need to identify that property [later] anyway. (Which seem
to match your explanation, IIUC.)

If it will (would?) identify these rare magical properties of armor
or weapons it could be helpful, but I suppose you'd have to carry
all that (heavy!) loot with you to read some blessed scroll once
for all that loot to at least have some gain. Its usefulness seems
to be limited (unless I'm missing the point).

Janis

On Monday, May 22, 2023 at 1:28:12 PM UTC-4, Janis Papanagnou wrote:
> On 22.05.2023 01:48, RecRanger wrote:
> >
> > Magic detection, I think, is only for wizards (and maybe other magical
> > classes?). When you find something magical it is labeled as "magical
> > leather armor", "magical mithril broadsword", etc., and it only tells you
> > it is magical — there is no identification as to what the magical
> > property is. It just help you weed out the junk. Whereas, otherwise,
> > muggles have to price ID or formal ID (spell or scroll). Not sure if
> > Hack'EM utilizes shopkeeper services, including ID?
> Meanwhile I had tried such a scroll at Sam's Market and it appeared
> as if it's more like object detection than object identification
> so you'd need to identify that property [later] anyway. (Which seem
> to match your explanation, IIUC.)
>
> If it will (would?) identify these rare magical properties of armor
> or weapons it could be helpful, but I suppose you'd have to carry
> all that (heavy!) loot with you to read some blessed scroll once
> for all that loot to at least have some gain. Its usefulness seems
> to be limited (unless I'm missing the point).
>
> Janis

Aye, sorry Janis, forgot about the scroll of magic detection. The
scroll detects magical objects on the level and in your inventory.
There also seems to be a (new?) property where a blessed scroll
will actually identify what those magic properties of the items are!

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On 22.05.2023 21:46, RecRanger wrote:
>
> Aye, sorry Janis, forgot about the scroll of magic detection. The
> scroll detects magical objects on the level and in your inventory.
> There also seems to be a (new?) property where a blessed scroll
> will actually identify what those magic properties of the items are!

Ah, that does sound useful!

Janis